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Interesting article from Brookings

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The key to India's growth story lies hidden in the Hindi heartland 
 

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Basically in the entire Northern plains, there isn't a single city which is a major employment or growth generator.

 

I bet a lot of that has to do the disastrous Freight Equalization Policy. Natural resource rich states like JH, CG, OD, etc lost their competitive advantage to cities in the rest of the country.   

 

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3 hours ago, Tibarn said:

I just baited Sandeep into revealing his anti-Modi and Socialist nature. I think he got triggered by my writing Mahatma Modi, so he clearly struggles understanding sarcasm. I'm glad he took the bait

When you make assumptions, you end up making an ass out of yourself.  

 

Looks like you have a reading disability or you just skipped reading parts of what I wrote and got busy working yourself into a frothing frenzy.  

 

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Nehru wasn't perfect.  He made a lot of errors and bad decisions that hurt India. But he made a lot of good ones too.  And IIT is part of the latter, not the former.

and 

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Why claim that IITs were at the expense of primary education?  Similar arguments are made against ISRO today as well,

 

Instead of addressing my point, you proceeded to build up a strawman, attacked it, and declared victory.  What can I say? Enjoy, I guess?  And I never noticed that phrase that seem to be feeling so proud of, nor do I really care what you call Modi.  But, by all means, please carry on believing whatever it is that you wish.   Maybe it helps you feel smart.  or whatever.  Toodles.

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On 11/20/2018 at 10:37 PM, sandeep said:

When you make assumptions, you end up making an ass out of yourself.  

 

Looks like you have a reading disability or you just skipped reading parts of what I wrote and got busy working yourself into a frothing frenzy.  

Pot meet kettle, 

 

You are the rabid Pidi who failed to address anything written in the post you quoted, instead just started barking Bhakt-bhakt and accusing others of having an agenda( I guess in hopes of a biscuit). I am not surprised that someone with your reading comprehension skills doesn't understand the irony in your own post. I addressed each and every part of your argument, but why let facts get in the way of your pathetic attempts to save face?

 

As one can see below:

On 11/20/2018 at 10:37 PM, sandeep said:
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Nehru wasn't perfect.  He made a lot of errors and bad decisions that hurt India. But he made a lot of good ones too.  And IIT is part of the latter, not the former.

and 

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Why claim that IITs were at the expense of primary education?  Similar arguments are made against ISRO today as well,

 

Instead of addressing my point, you proceeded to build up a strawman, attacked it, and declared victory.  

See below

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Nehru wasn't perfect.  He made a lot of errors and bad decisions that hurt India. But he made a lot of good ones too.  And IIT is part of the latter, not the former.

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False, Nehru made few if any good decisions ...

 

Go ahead and show these great achievements of your beloved Chacha in the economic sphere. Hint hint: there are none. 

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Due to his disastrous policies, an estimated additional 261 million Indians are illiterate and 14.5 million are dead.  There are another 109 million people in poverty because of his horrible policies

I added an addendum to the 2nd quote here in bold.

 

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Why claim that IITs were at the expense of primary education?  Similar arguments are made against ISRO today as well,

is addressed by 

 

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1)  Nehru didn’t invest enough in primary education. That is evidenced by the rampant illiteracy in India to this day. Similar countries who got independence during similar time periods outperform India on basic measures of primary education, namely adult literacy. That other prime ministers including the current one also fail/have failed in fixing primary education in India, doesn't change that your beloved Nehru was a failure in this regard.

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He gets blamed for this investment in tertiary education because his apologists whinge endlessly, and inaccurately, about how India was in dire straights when he inherited PM'ship, and they claim he had limited resources for him to create a functional economy.

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No major country with a successful economy in history has invested in higher education while skipping/leaving primary education in tatters. Trying to do so shows poor understanding of labor supply.  A poor, uneducated country needs education on the primary level most of all. Poor countries need to shift labor from agriculture to manufacturing.  Make whatever excuses you want. 

 

I addressed each portion your argument, but I never expected someone with your antecedents to show any integrity in this regard. You are too busy backtracking and trying to save face by hiding behind empty sanctimony. You started the personal insults with pejoratives like bhakt and claiming I have an agenda, instead of addressing the points I originally made, and, now, you are whinging when because I responded in kind. Shamelessness knows no limits it seems. 

 

Try your BS with someone else, I have no patience for two-faced people. 

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43 minutes ago, Yoda-esque said:

What injustice Maniac?

I will take that as a question for me :)

 

Hyderabad was the backbone of Andhra Pradesh’s economy.

 

After the split and with Hyderabad going to Telangana, that was a huge dent to the newly formed state of Andhra Pradesh. 

 

Modi despite the denials now has promised special status to AP. Evidence is available

 

Now obviously  it may not possible due to clauses in constitution etc and this has been discussed to death. However these  promises were clearly made in 2014 by Modi himself with footage available for it.

 

Later when the time came this was substituted with a package of a significant amount that would more than compensate for just the “titular” special status. However the funds never came through either. According to CBN no funds came through or just a token amount was disbursed.

 

According to BJP a significant first payment was made but CBN  ate away all the money.

 

Either ways the promise was not fully delivered and the public sentiment that injustice has been done.

 

Now Naidu claims that he was made to wait and no appointment given and was totally humiliated every time he went to Delhi to meet Modi. Is he exaggerating or not, not sure but clearly this issue has not progressed further.

 

Venkaiah Naidu who was a major player in the BJP till recently was getting vocal about this and now has been assigned a rubber stamp position of Vice President  to keep him away from this whole issue.

 

Regardless of which side you are on, this has been handled poorly by the BJP.

 

CBN is a seasoned politician and as you can see he has been on a mission to form an

anti-Modi alliance. He even joined forces with Congress when that was the reason why his party was formed to begin with as an Anti-Congress entity . 

 

I have  been traveling across Andhra-Telangana-Tamil Nadu in the last month while on vacation and going by the word on the streets of the common folk there seems to be a very strong Anti-BJP sentiment in Andhra. Surpringly in Telangana BJP has a relatively more vocal support.

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I will take that as a question for me :)
 
Hyderabad was the backbone of Andhra Pradesh’s economy.
 
After the split and with Hyderabad going to Telangana, that was a huge dent to the newly formed state of Andhra Pradesh. 
 
Modi despite the denials now has promised special status to AP. Evidence is available
 
Now obviously  it may not possible due to clauses in constitution etc and this has been discussed to death. However these  promises were clearly made in 2014 by Modi himself with footage available for it.
 
Later when the time came this was substituted with a package of a significant amount that would more than compensate for just the “titular” special status. However the funds never came through either. According to CBN no funds came through or just a token amount was disbursed.
 
According to BJP a significant first payment was made but CBN  ate away all the money.
 
Either ways the promise was not fully delivered and the public sentiment that injustice has been done.
 
Now Naidu claims that he was made to wait and no appointment given and was totally humiliated every time he went to Delhi to meet Modi. Is he exaggerating or not, not sure but clearly this issue has not progressed further.
 
Venkaiah Naidu who was a major player in the BJP till recently was getting vocal about this and now has been assigned a rubber stamp position of Vice President  to keep him away from this whole issue.
 
Regardless of which side you are on, this has been handled poorly by the BJP.
 
CBN is a seasoned politician and as you can see he has been on a mission to form an
anti-Modi alliance. He even joined forces with Congress when that was the reason why his party was formed to begin with as an Anti-Congress entity . 
 
I have  been traveling across Andhra-Telangana-Tamil Nadu in the last month while on vacation and going by the word on the streets of the common folk there seems to be a very strong Anti-BJP sentiment in Andhra. Surpringly in Telangana BJP has a relatively more vocal support.
Thanks for the update.

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8 hours ago, Global.Baba said:

Your welcome I guess.

 

Looks like I could  have just summarized instead of a long  post :laugh:

My Gulatee frnds say the same. Allthough they find it difficult to side with mamata naidu stuff but, seems like, between Naidu and bjp, they will choose Naidu. Modi needs to go and personally deal with it as state bjp has lost it,

Gulatee are not illogical. They will take a technical justification in delay and future promise.

i feel Chandrababu Naidu knows what his people wants

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16 hours ago, mishra said:

My Gulatee frnds say the same. Allthough they find it difficult to side with mamata naidu stuff but, seems like, between Naidu and bjp, they will choose Naidu. Modi needs to go and personally deal with it as state bjp has lost it,

Gulatee are not illogical. They will take a technical justification in delay and future promise.

i feel Chandrababu Naidu knows what his people wants

Naidu’s popularity in Andhra is at an all time low. There is strong Anti-BJP sentiment and Naidu has that stench being associated with them for 2 decades.

 

Quitting BJP alliance and trying to form this Maha Gathbandhan is just a political strategy rather than some moral high ground.

 

The other 3 options are congress which is pretty much done in Andhra as the people there view them as the party responsible for the split. The strongest one is Jagan’s YCP and then the last option is actor turned politician Pawan Kalyan.

 

It is going to be the most open election ever in Andhra.

 

In Telangana though BJP is finding some voice. TRS was supposed to rule forever as they claimed to be the founders of Telangana state. However people have seen through that it is just another dynast political party and there hasn’t been a lot of growth either. Congress too is relatively better off here but right now looks like BJP is the clear 2nd even though still a little distant.

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On 11/30/2018 at 10:56 AM, Global.Baba said:

In Telangana though BJP is finding some voice. TRS was supposed to rule forever as they claimed to be the founders of Telangana state. However people have seen through that it is just another dynast political party and there hasn’t been a lot of growth either. Congress too is relatively better off here but right now looks like BJP is the clear 2nd even though still a little distant.

How much has Owaisi contributed to BJPs surge?

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13 hours ago, Oldhere said:

Bjp isnt anywhere in Telegana.

 

They are gonna be a distant third.

What are you basing this on?

 

TRS is obviously still the no.1 by the looks of it.

 

However 

 

Congess has a charismatic leader in Revanth Reddy where as BJP has Paripurnananda swamiji who has a pretty big following himself.

 

Apart from that no big star campaigners either side.

 

The folks who have settled in Telangana and have origins in Andhra mostly will vote for BJP and not Congress. 

 

And I do not have an abvious survey or statistic but even the ones disappointed  with TRS are planning to vote for BJP from the few folks I have interacted with. Obviously that is not a benchmark and only a few handful of voices  but that’s how I have formed my opinion.

 

Please let me know if you have a better source. Genuine request.

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On 11/9/2018 at 8:50 PM, sandeep said:

Hindsight is 20/20.  Why claim that IITs were at the expense of primary education?  Similar arguments are made against ISRO today as well, and the same bhakts jump in to defend that India can afford space research alongside development, and the space program has made great contributions to India.  Same can be said of the IITs as well, they have made major contributions to India. 

  

 But let's stick to the agenda of bashing and blaming Nehru for all that went wrong.  Fits a neat narrative that way, facts be damned.  

  

Nehru wasn't perfect.  He made a lot of errors and bad decisions that hurt India. But he made a lot of good ones too.  And IIT is part of the latter, not the former.

Ignoring primary education was biggest blunder and people are still paying for it.

 

After 70 years:

 

Literacy 75%

Primay 25%

Middle 16%

Matric 11%

Higher secondary 9%

Graduate 4.5%

 

Those are very poor numbers.

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On 12/2/2018 at 2:08 AM, Trichromatic said:

Ignoring primary education was biggest blunder and people are still paying for it.

 

After 70 years:

 

Literacy 75%

Primay 25%

Middle 16%

Matric 11%

Higher secondary 9%

Graduate 4.5%

 

Those are very poor numbers.

Again, I don't disagree that failing to prioritize primary education was a big blunder.  100% agree.  But to blame creation of IIT for that is silly.  Its like saying India is choosing to starve millions of kids and spending money on ISRO.  It doesn't work like that. 

 

And on Nehru, a lot of the rabid Sanghis like to blackwash history with propaganda, as if if not for Nehru, India magically would have developed better economically.  A more market-oriented economic approach could have delivered better growth, but we could have made a bunch of other mistakes as well.  Bit of nuance, context and objectivity is a pre-requisite when talking about history.  

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On 12/2/2018 at 2:09 AM, Global.Baba said:

One small setback for BJP is TDP has fielded granddaughter of NTR in one of the areas which could have been a sure shot win for them.

 

This is the reason TRS will still win easily. 

 

All the other 2nd,3rd,4th and AIMIM will eat into each other’s votes.

Damn forgot the Maha Kootami with all the opportunists  coming together and AIMIM joining forces with TRS :wall:

 

 

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On 12/2/2018 at 12:39 PM, Global.Baba said:

One small setback for BJP is TDP has fielded granddaughter of NTR in one of the areas which could have been a sure shot win for them.

 

This is the reason TRS will still win easily. 

 

All the other 2nd,3rd,4th and AIMIM will eat into each other’s votes.

Are you talking about suhasini ? She lost by almost 50k votes. She couldn't even frame two sentences properly in telugu. 

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6 minutes ago, gattaca said:

Are you talking about suhasini ? She lost by almost 50k votes. She couldn't even frame two sentences properly in telugu. 

Yeah, after the original hype I saw her talking.she has no clue. Also  the people around  KPHB are mostly middle to upper- middle class educated people so they saw  that she was just another useless dynast. She could have worked in a more poorer neighborhood where she can use NTR’s name. 

 

 I saw some YouTube videos of some locals calling bs on her nomination from that area.

 

Revanth Reddy losing was the biggest shock though.

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16 minutes ago, KellyBurge said:

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I registered on this site, now every day I buy BTC and ETH when the price drops, then I sell when the price rises.
I spent only $ 10 at the very beginning, now I always have more than $ 1000 on my account, I withdraw money 1-2 times a week. I withdraw $ 500 at a time
It’s easy to trade here and now you don’t need to work :)
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26 minutes ago, velu said:

 

@Cricketics  are you the owner of these bitcoin fan bots ? :phehe: 

Lol man, the rising will happen soon. These bots are crazy.

 

Btw, whoever said they are trading in USA. Make sure to file taxes if you withdrawn any money from exchange to your bank account. The moment you did that, you habe to shownit to the IRS, otherwise IRS are going to fk you up.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Lol man, the rising will happen soon. These bots are crazy.

 

Btw, whoever said they are trading in USA. Make sure to file taxes if you withdrawn any money from exchange to your bank account. The moment you did that, you habe to shownit to the IRS, otherwise IRS are going to fk you up.

 

 

 

my brother bought bought and bought .. but never sold :phehe:

i was asking him to sell from 10k to 15k , but stoped when it kept climbing up .. now i am right , but mixed feelings for him though 

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21 minutes ago, velu said:

 

my brother bought bought and bought .. but never sold :phehe:

i was asking him to sell from 10k to 15k , but stoped when it kept climbing up .. now i am right , but mixed feelings for him though 

Don’t worry. I am in the same boat as your brother. We will rise. 

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On 11/20/2018 at 4:54 PM, Tibarn said:

 

In fact Nehru should be summarily decried as a criminal as supported by the research below, from Swaminathan Aiyar of the CATO Institute:

The Human Cost of Delayed Economic Reform in India

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Once again, there was evidence presented from an academic/professional research paper, quoted above, which shows that an additional 261 million Indians are illiterate because of the disastrous educational policies implemented by Nehru. 

 

Here is another research paper and an excerpt from a book which confirm that Nehru ignored primary education

Education and the Asian Surge A Comparison of the Education Systems in India and China Charles A. Goldman, Krishna B. Kumar, Ying Liu

Rand Institute 

 

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Here is some evidence that India neglected primary education, from one Prasenjit Basu, an economic analyst and amateur historian from his book Asia Reborn

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In summation, here is some evidence of neglect of investment in primary education and for 261 million additional illiterates in India due to his policies.

 

Whoever reads this can make up their own minds one way or another...

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@Moochad

 

That's actually an improvement for Piddi-team

Income tax Indira

 

:laugh: Piddi's idea of success under dear Indira Mata, negligible growth rate, tax anyone who makes a decent income around 90%, and then pay court "historians" to glorify you ad infinitum.  But but but "Green Revolution"

 

All ambition should be killed, everyone should wallow in the mediocrity as ordained by our povertarian piddis. 

 

Then again, Prophet Nehru, our Lord and Savior said:

 

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Differences in Economic Policy

Nehru and Patel’s economic views differed drastically. Nehru envisioned a socialist India with the ‘elimination of profit in society…With social service and cooperation taking place of competition’[15]. 

 

 

Muh visionary, muh intellectual :hysterical:

 

 

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23 hours ago, Tibarn said:

@Moochad

 

That's actually an improvement for Piddi-team

Income tax Indira

 

:laugh: Piddi's idea of success under dear Indira Mata, negligible growth rate, tax anyone who makes a decent income around 90%, and then pay court "historians" to glorify you ad infinitum.  But but but "Green Revolution"

 

All ambition should be killed, everyone should wallow in the mediocrity as ordained by our povertarian piddis. 

 

Then again, Prophet Nehru, our Lord and Savior said:

 

DjRqsizXoAAfkep.jpg

 

Differences in Economic Policy

Nehru and Patel’s economic views differed drastically. Nehru envisioned a socialist India with the ‘elimination of profit in society…With social service and cooperation taking place of competition’[15]. 

 

 

Muh visionary, muh intellectual :hysterical:

 

 

Sometimes I wonder what goes on in people's heads? 

 

Why exactly do people do business or work if not to profit? To throw money and placate that ignoramus's huge ego?

 

It's a shame we still can't escape from the clutches of this bizarre system he enforced upon us. 

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@Tibarn

 

In your informative post about taxation in 1971-1972, you've left out indirect taxes of that era.

 

High import/custom duties and licence raj become a protective wall incentivizing low production, obsolete technology and ensured that we were a materially starved society.

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1 hour ago, Mariyam said:

@Tibarn

 

In your informative post about taxation in 1971-1972, you've left out indirect taxes of that era.

 

High import/custom duties and licence raj become a protective wall incentivizing low production, obsolete technology and ensured that we were a materially starved society.

I know what you mean for stories from my Dada. According to them, they had to wait 2+ months just to buy a scooter, and they had to travel all the way to Amdavad to get it too... Apparently, because the wait was so long, and the scooters were so expensive, many people who got their scooters early ended up price gouging 2-3X and selling them.  

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@"Those in India"

Do you still see public defecation or has there been significant reduction in last 5 years? If yes? IMO that can be considered one of the biggest achievement by Modi Government.

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2 hours ago, mishra said:

@"Those in India"

Do you still see public defecation or has there been significant reduction in last 5 years? If yes? IMO that can be considered one of the biggest achievement by Modi Government.

Huge success. 99% of the Indian public still throw garbage on the streets though.

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7 hours ago, Laaloo said:

I have a bad feeling about pappu being elected and this loser setting us back 50 years.

Pappu is coming. MP elections result were the warning bells. I have no faith in Sootiya Hindu public to think about their survival (forget rational thinking - thats a bridge too far)

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