How Pak Beguiles the Americans - A guide for foreign officials

[zen]

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"As with all Pakistani narratives of U.S. perfidy, this one too is a kichiri of outright fictions, half-truths and a few masalas. "

 

^ Written by an American 

 

Below, poor Pakistani were sucked in to someone else's war myth busted:

 

 

"Yet another rent-seeking narrative propounded by Pakistan is that the United States sucked a naïve Pakistan into its jihad in the 1980s. And, when its interests were satisfied with the Soviet Union’s exeunt, the United States left Pakistan to contend with the morass that had become Afghanistan on its own and awash with small arms, narcotics and other criminal enterprises. As usual, this is not the entire story and this account ranks very low on the veracity scale. As Husain Haqqani, among others, has shown, Pakistan began its jihad policy between 1973 and 1974, after Mohammad Daoud Khan ousted the popular King Zahir Shah.   At that time, Pakistan’s civilian autocrat, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, established the ISI Afghanistan Cell to instrument Islamists who were fleeing Afghanistan following Mohammad Daoud Khan’s crackdown on Islamists who resisted his pro-Soviet reforms. By the time the Soviets crossed the Amu Darya on Christmas Day 1979, the main so-called mujahideen parties had already been formed. Pakistan did this all on its own dime because manipulating events in Afghanistan has been an enduring Pakistani strategic objective since 1947.

Logically, the United States could not have intended to “suck” Pakistan into an American-led jihad, as Pakistanis claim, because Washington had sanctioned Pakistan in April of 1979. Had the United States intended to coerce Pakistan to do America’s bidding in Afghanistan, why would it make working with Pakistan illegal even as events began to churn in Afghanistan? As is well known, the United States was not terribly interested in the events in Afghanistan until the summer of 1979. After all, Afghanistan’s neighbor, Iran, was mired in an Islamist revolution that began in early 1978. However, once President Ronald Reagan came into the White House, he worked to secure the waivers needed to begin working with Pakistan. It was not until 1982 that security assistance began flowing to Pakistan. It should be noted that Saudi Arabia matched the U.S. contribution. It should also be noted that it was Zia ul Haq who insisted upon fighting the Russians in Afghanistan in the lexicon of jihad, not that of the United States."

 

 

 

[zen]

Christine Fair is also the author of the book - Fighting till the end

 

"Since Pakistan was founded in 1947, its army has dominated the state. The military establishment has locked the country in an enduring rivalry with India, with the primary aim of wresting Kashmir from it. To that end, Pakistan initiated three wars over Kashmir-in 1947, 1965, and 1999-and failed to win any of them. Today, the army continues to prosecute this dangerous policy by employing non-state actors under the security of its ever-expanding nuclear umbrella. It has sustained a proxy war in Kashmir since 1989 using Islamist militants, as well as supporting non-Islamist insurgencies throughout India and a country-wide Islamist terror campaign that have brought the two countries to the brink of war on several occasions. In addition to these territorial revisionist goals, the Pakistani army has committed itself to resisting India's slow but inevitable rise on the global stage. 

Despite Pakistan's efforts to coerce India, it has achieved only modest successes at best. Even though India vivisected Pakistan in 1971, Pakistan continues to see itself as India's equal and demands the world do the same. The dangerous methods that the army uses to enforce this self-perception have brought international opprobrium upon Pakistan and its army. And in recent years, their erstwhile proxies have turned their guns on the Pakistani state itself. 
 

Why does the army persist in pursuing these revisionist policies that have come to imperil the very viability of the state itself, from which the army feeds? In Fighting to the End, C. Christine Fair argues that the answer lies, at least partially, in the strategic culture of the army. Through an unprecedented analysis of decades' worth of the army's own defense publications, she concludes that from the army's distorted view of history, it is victorious as long as it can resist India's purported drive for regional hegemony as well as the territorial status quo. Simply put, acquiescence means defeat. Fighting to the End convincingly shows that because the army is unlikely to abandon these preferences, Pakistan will remain a destabilizing force in world politics for the foreseeable future."

[chewy]

Pakistan is not a united country within, it's own people are always on the brink of civil war (Sunni vs Shias, Ethnic clashes, Army vs Rebels, regular terror attacks).

 

but it is in the world's interest to ensure this failed country doesn't collapse, ONLY because its nuclear warheads don't fall into the wrong hands or is spread around the world. 

[zen]

@Finer any comments on the American version of "Pak is sucked in to war in Afg"?

[mishra]

@OP Few days back, I read a article on dawn which is supposed to be a intellectual news site.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1280325

Now , I saw a lot of Chewt!a Indians agreeing and praising the article without even fecking reading atleast understanding it.

 

1. It to some extent, rightly blames Khilafat movement for Muslim radicalization but doesn't go far enough to blame the philosophy in second para but actually introduces term "Hindu Militancy"

2. Somewhere in the middle it blames Ghandhiji for disagreeing with "Secular" Jinnah and INC's tacit view on Khilaphat movement. Author forgets that Jinnah aimed to create and created a Islamic Pakistan with Sharia legal system while INC ended up creating a democratic non-religius India.

 

So I also commented on article just to question the idiocy, hippocracy, lunacy of Pakistani intellectuals but dawn editorial decided not to publish it. Goes to prove that not just one author but all of those intellects are hopeless

 

 

 

[Adi_91]

On 9/2/2016 at 2:15 AM, mishra said:

@OP Few days back, I read a article on dawn which is supposed to be a intellectual news site.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1280325

Now , I saw a lot of Chewt!a Indians agreeing and praising the article without even fecking reading atleast understanding it.

 

1. It to some extent, rightly blames Khilafat movement for Muslim radicalization but doesn't go far enough to blame the philosophy in second para but actually introduces term "Hindu Militancy"

2. Somewhere in the middle it blames Ghandhiji for disagreeing with "Secular" Jinnah and INC's tacit view on Khilaphat movement. Author forgets that Jinnah aimed to create and created a Islamic Pakistan with Sharia legal system while INC ended up creating a democratic non-religius India.

 

So I also commented on article just to question the idiocy, hippocracy, lunacy of Pakistani intellectuals but dawn editorial decided not to publish it. Goes to prove that not just one author but all of those intellects are hopeless

 

 

 

No democracy = No freedom of expression = Pakistan. Come on, why will they publish something that makes sense?

[Adi_91]

I see @Finer participating less here, which is ironic. Looks like Pak posters are so caught with the Indian PM than the image of Pakistan worldwide that they will post in those threads. :P

[zen]

45 minutes ago, Adi_91 said:

I see @Finer participating less here, which is ironic. Looks like Pak posters are so caught with the Indian PM than the image of Pakistan worldwide that they will post in those threads. :P

He is only here to post - "Ind is blah blah blah"

[Adi_91]

20 minutes ago, Finer said:

I am gonna catch up with this thread tomorrow. Worry not. I am not coward to avoid the reality unlike many in regard to the official testimony of Ajit Doval/Indian officials with their sponsored terrorism comments; turning blind the activity of genocidal leader and its communal party under the name of beef laws, and Indian fantasy narrative on IOK.

Catch up with more lies just like your leaders (read terrorists) do.