Virat Kohli or Steven Smith - over all better batsman as of now?

[Muloghonto]

On 2017-12-16 at 11:48 AM, putrevus said:

It does not matter if Sachin holds that meaningless record of scoring most runs after 200 tests.Sachin's greatest legacy now is his longevity, I don't know in coming days and years it will hold that important given no of  tests are being down sized.

 

It is like Cy Young 512 wins in baseball, no pitcher in current world will have that longevity to reach that number .What will not change is the impact which batsmen at their peak make, sadly in this case Sachin is way behind.

Nonsense. Sachins greatest legacy is him bing the youngest master destroyer against all opposition for well over a decade. Not his fault that he hardly ever bated more than 6 times a series at his best to satisfy meaningless stats like most runs in a series nonsense. ONLY  two other batsmen in the last 50 years hold th distinction of routinely destroying world class opposition at their pomp in all conditions: Lara and Richards. And neither did it as young as Sachin and or as successfully.

Edited January 9, 2018 by Muloghonto

[Gollum]

1 minute ago, rtmohanlal said:

easy to create  blind emotional statements. Sooo difficult to justify claims with logic

Tests no comparison. Difference in average between Smith and Kohli is same as difference between Kohli and Asad Shafiq. And Smith actually shows up when the team is in trouble and on rank turners unlike the chickenheart. 

ODI bilaterals and Mentos/Hajmola/Kamasutra/Centre Shock/Pan Bahar/Nidahas Trophy......I pick Kohli

World Cup knockouts....I pick Smith

T20...Kohli best but who cares?

IPL...LOL

[Muloghonto]

On 2017-12-18 at 4:28 AM, putrevus said:

Why do people brand term hater if one doesn't agree with Sachin's stats. It is not hating, just presenting our perspective. 

 

Doctors said his career was over so why was he playing and why is it he gets a pass for his stinking performances. As you have seen in last 30 years you don't need to be Sachin to have great stats in India.

Th reason Sachin gets a pass on his failures is because all batsm n have such failures and Sachin failed less than anyone not named Bradman

[Muloghonto]

Yeah in tests it's no contest, Smith is better 

[rtmohanlal]

1 hour ago, Gollum said:

Tests no comparison. Difference in average between Smith and Kohli is same as difference between Kohli and Asad Shafiq. And Smith actually shows up when the team is in trouble and on rank turners unlike the chickenheart. 

ODI bilaterals and Mentos/Hajmola/Kamasutra/Centre Shock/Pan Bahar/Nidahas Trophy......I pick Kohli

World Cup knockouts....I pick Smith

T20...Kohli best but who cares?

IPL...LOL

Kohli leads Smith by just about the same measure in limited overs  as  Smith leads Kohli in tests.Smith scored runs in India. All right, but he flopped in BAN(keep in mind BAN are not minnow any more, they are a lower ranked team)  & was just about good in SL. Kohli murdered the  same BAN & SL bowlers.'Rank turner' is decided only by 'fielders cooperating with the bowlers'. In that Pune test Smith got not 1 or 2 lives but 6 of them. What would have been a 61 series avg: at the best ended up as 71 as a result. So kudos to Smith, but to down play Kohli, who murdered the same bowlers against which Smith was at the  best 'mere good' in the same conditions  does not make any sense at all.

" Mentos/Hajmola/Kamasutra/Centre Shock/Pan Bahar/Nidahas Trophy"  - why such mere senseless emotional statements?????

In clutch one day knocks both of them are at par with one another.Both of them played important roles in a world cup final match each.Other than that,if Smith played his role in 2 world cup knock outs, then Kohli also played 3 important knock outs   in 'slightly lower to world cup' ICC champions trophy.

 

Apart from that there is no comparison in one dayers. Kohli who avg:s 45+ in all countries he played in, is far ahead.Smith has a paltry 32+ avg:  in 'away & neutral matches combined'.And even more paltry is that he avg:es <32 in 6 countries against non minnows.In these batting favourable conditions where 50 avg: is the bench mark, to avg: such less in several countries is a very ordinary track record.And to add to that Kohli is such a successful chaser and finisher of huge totals, a very important feat in inself in limited overs .   And in T20S, though much lesser important, it is a no contest.

 

   So all in all, as of now I don't find any thing that separates them.

Edited January 9, 2018 by rtmohanlal

[Trichromatic]

Forget Smith, how does ABDV manages to perform in all types of conditions?

 

He was best batsman from both sides on those rank turners in India and scored 100 runs alone in this test.

 

He can be explosive, but I have never seen an explosive batsman playing an 220 balls 30 runs inning to save a test like ABDV.

 

And yet he averages only 50. Has he underachieved?

[AmreekanDesi]

2 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Forget Smith, how does ABDV manages to perform in all types of conditions?

 

He was best batsman from both sides on those rank turners in India and scored 100 runs alone in this test.

 

He can be explosive, but I have never seen an explosive batsman playing an 220 balls 30 runs inning to save a test like ABDV.

 

And yet he averages only 50. Has he underachieved?

His mind switches off when the challenge isn't there or stakes aren't as big imo so his stats take a hit

 

same with Smith in regards to JAMODIS

[Gollum]

In spite of a below par series Smith is still numero uno. But Kohli can inch ahead in the coming 18 months. Most important 18 months for VK, a great Eng tour and a standout 2019 WC will help him surge past the Aussie in the race to 'best batsman tag'. Now that Smith is out and the worst Eng test team in many years, an open goal for Kohli. 

[AmreekanDesi]

1 hour ago, Gollum said:

In spite of a below par series Smith is still numero uno. But Kohli can inch ahead in the coming 18 months. Most important 18 months for VK, a great Eng tour and a standout 2019 WC will help him surge past the Aussie in the race to 'best batsman tag'. Now that Smith is out and the worst Eng test team in many years, an open goal for Kohli. 

Kohli WILL smash England this summer no doubts.

 

after that he will be undisputed greatest of the era

[kira]

Close this thread. It's an insult to king Kohli to be compared to a CHEAT.