Has there been a player more cringy than Hardik Pandya?

[philcric]

24 minutes ago, Khota said:

Moeen is overrated Ben I am on the fence. India has enough talent not to include both but England needs Ben.

 

Why does England needs Ben? For his batting? bowling? both?

 

Give us your Indian and English ODI XI.

 

[Khota]

1 hour ago, philcric said:

 

Changing goal posts again? From "nothing to show for" to "what he did in SA".

 

What are padded stats?

 

Do you know anything about stats? Enlighten us.

 

That is a very condenscending tone.

 

Are runs scored against Ireland and Australia be counted as same or there should be some weighted average? Now you see the concept of padding your stats. My high school education only goes so far.

[Khota]

1 hour ago, philcric said:

 

Why does England needs Ben? For his batting? bowling? both?

 

Give us your Indian and English ODI XI.

 

Dhawan

Rahul/Rohit

Rohit/rahul

Kohli

Iyer

Karthick

Bhuvi

Umesh

Jasprit

Chahal

yadav (spin)

 

Preference 3 spinners two pacers. depending on the conditions (hot summer as predicted).

 

No time to pick for england.

 

You need 50 overs from proper bowlers to win this game. Better bowling with good fielding will do it.

Edited June 30, 2018 by Khota

[Pollack]

3 hours ago, Khota said:

Dhawan

Rahul/Rohit

Rohit/rahul

Kohli

Iyer

Karthick

Bhuvi

Umesh

Jasprit

Chahal

yadav (spin)

 

Preference 3 spinners two pacers. depending on the conditions (hot summer as predicted).

 

No time to pick for england.

 

You need 50 overs from proper bowlers to win this game. Better bowling with good fielding will do it.

So in an era where teams have batsmen till 10 you'll play 5 tailender?

[Khota]

1 hour ago, Pollack said:

So in an era where teams have batsmen till 10 you'll play 5 tailender?

Can you show me one team that has batsman till 10?

[philcric]

7 hours ago, Khota said:

That is a very condenscending tone.

Are runs scored against Ireland and Australia be counted as same or there should be some weighted average? Now you see the concept of padding your stats. My high school education only goes so far.

 

No, the runs scored against Ireland and Australia are not of the same quality. That's why they are called 'averages' ... includes strong/weak opposition, easy/difficult situations, low-scoring/high-scoring pitches etc. Everybody is aware of that.

 

Stats is a tool, an objective way to look at a player's performance over a period of time instead of just what you feel about a player which is subjective and could have a confirmation bias.

 

So, Hardik Pandya batting in ODIs .. averages 40 with 117 SR against Aus, Eng, SA, Pak, NZ which have strong bowling attacks.

 

Would you say his stats are padded ?

 

How would you do the weighted averages for batsmen, practically?

opposition? specific bowlers? the bowlers form at that point (Aus attack against Eng in the recent series same as Aus attack an year ago or in WC 2015)? quality of the pitch? the innings situation .. coming at 150/2 different from 130/4 .. right? batting position ... opening same as 6/7 ?

 

[philcric]

7 hours ago, Khota said:

Dhawan

Rahul/Rohit

Rohit/rahul

Kohli

Iyer

Karthick

Bhuvi

Umesh

Jasprit

Chahal

yadav (spin)

 

Preference 3 spinners two pacers. depending on the conditions (hot summer as predicted).

 

No time to pick for england.

 

You need 50 overs from proper bowlers to win this game. Better bowling with good fielding will do it.

 

It will take only a few minutes. Go ahead and do it.

 

Also, why does England need Ben Stokes? For batting or bowling or both?

 

[philcric]

10 hours ago, Khota said:

Maybe you are having difficulty in understanding that this world belongs to specialist. You just made me miss the equalizer. Scored by a proper player not bits and pieces.

 

Again I ask, who is a 'proper' player and who is a 'bits and pieces' player in football ?

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, Khota said:

Dhawan

Rahul/Rohit

Rohit/rahul

Kohli

Iyer

Karthick

Bhuvi

Umesh

Jasprit

Chahal

yadav (spin)

 

Preference 3 spinners two pacers. depending on the conditions (hot summer as predicted).

 

No time to pick for england.

 

You need 50 overs from proper bowlers to win this game. Better bowling with good fielding will do it.

where are ur 2 favs - rahane n raina ????

N yesterday u said ull play jadeja at 7, cnt see jadeja also

Edited July 1, 2018 by Ankit_sharma03

[Khota]

6 hours ago, philcric said:

 

No, the runs scored against Ireland and Australia are not of the same quality. That's why they are called 'averages' ... includes strong/weak opposition, easy/difficult situations, low-scoring/high-scoring pitches etc. Everybody is aware of that.

 

Stats is a tool, an objective way to look at a player's performance over a period of time instead of just what you feel about a player which is subjective and could have a confirmation bias.

 

So, Hardik Pandya batting in ODIs .. averages 40 with 117 SR against Aus, Eng, SA, Pak, NZ which have strong bowling attacks.

 

Would you say his stats are padded ?

 

How would you do the weighted averages for batsmen, practically?

opposition? specific bowlers? the bowlers form at that point (Aus attack against Eng in the recent series same as Aus attack an year ago or in WC 2015)? quality of the pitch? the innings situation .. coming at 150/2 different from 130/4 .. right? batting position ... opening same as 6/7 ?

 

Weighted averages can be done by taking the quality of the bowler into account. Tedious but doable.

 

Now let us talk about Pandya. I really dont have time to delve and sort ouut the numbers you have quoted but in SA he was a dismal failure in ODI in batting. There is no getting around that.

[Khota]

6 hours ago, philcric said:

 

It will take only a few minutes. Go ahead and do it.

 

Also, why does England need Ben Stokes? For batting or bowling or both?

 

Nothing takes few mnts. 

[Khota]

6 hours ago, philcric said:

 

Again I ask, who is a 'proper' player and who is a 'bits and pieces' player in football ?

 

There is no bits and pieces player is what I am saying in football. Everyone has a designated role.

Edited July 1, 2018 by Khota

[Khota]

4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

where are ur 2 favs - rahane n raina ????

N yesterday u said ull play jadeja at 7, cnt see jadeja also

rahane is in a slump. Raina is an easy pick for middle order. Currently I will not play jadeja.

 

The biggest difference between me and you is that I show no loyalty towards a player. You are fixated.

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, Khota said:

rahane is in a slump. Raina is an easy pick for middle order. Currently I will not play jadeja.

 

The biggest difference between me and you is that I show no loyalty towards a player. You are fixated.

raina is an easy pick, yet he is missing from ur lineup

Coz i knw the correct players so i support them through thick n thin. I dnt giveup on them becoz of few failures

[UrmiSinhaRay]

There is no bits and pieces player is what I am saying in football. Everyone has a designated role.

But everyone is also versatile enough to score a goal


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[philcric]

2 hours ago, Khota said:

Weighted averages can be done by taking the quality of the bowler into account. Tedious but doable.

Now let us talk about Pandya. I really dont have time to delve and sort ouut the numbers you have quoted but in SA he was a dismal failure in ODI in batting. There is no getting around that.

 

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I really dont have time to delve and sort ouut the numbers you have quoted

 

What is there to delve and sort out? Pandya averages 40 with 117 SR against the strong bowling attacks of Aus, Eng, Pak, SA and NZ. Where's the padding of stats?
 

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in SA he was a dismal failure in ODI in batting. There is no getting around that.

 

So, from "nothing to show for" to "padded stats against weaker teams" to "failed against SA". Okay.

 

 

Edited July 1, 2018 by philcric

[philcric]

2 hours ago, Khota said:

Nothing takes few mnts. 

Can't list a XI in a few minutes? How long does it take, an hour?

 

Asking for the third time .. Why does England need Ben Stokes? For batting or bowling or both?

 

[philcric]

On 6/29/2018 at 5:32 PM, Khota said:

Cricket when it was an amature sport could affort all rounders. It is a specialist sport now and no one has the time to be good at both batting and bowling. 

 

If cricket is such a specialist sport now, wonder why no's 7-11 bat at all.

 

Wonder why IPL pays big bucks to the likes of Ben Stokes, Andre Russell, Dwayne Bravo, Hardik Pandya, Krunal Pandya, Shane Watson etc.

 

How about wicket keepers? Are they specialists?

 

[philcric]

4 hours ago, Khota said:

Weighted averages can be done by taking the quality of the bowler into account. Tedious but doable.

 

 

Give an example.

 

[Khota]

3 hours ago, UrmiSinhaRay said:

But everyone is also versatile enough to score a goal


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true but there are only one or two great strikers in a team.