Prithvi Shaw is ready

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, raki05 said:

It's not as bad as u are saying even if we say it's bad how does he is producing good number compare to his peers whom u claim to have good technique. First u say someone should perform in domestic, a black black  and now as he has performed you are saying he ll be exposed in international. How you are so sure, as I said he has not only played good innings in India rather he has his good numbers wherever he played so far. Someone with limited technique can't be that successful. Can you tell me how many successful tour Iyer, Pandey, Vijay Shankar and Sundar had before playing for India. Also I m not asking him to try in test format directly , what harm do we suffer by trying these youngster in T20.

It is, n not only me commenattors also pointed. Simon doul pointed in u-19 wc only 

Yes someone shud perform n almost every where but atleast for a period of time in case of bastman, pant piled on runs in 1st season to drop down in 2nd which wud have made him a better player in 3rd season. Jaldi kya hai ....let him become better 

All this kohli, sharma, rahane, pujara, dhawan, iyer , pandey who have played in recent years did well for few yrs in domestic 

 

Pandey , iyer have been playing A-tours for a while now 

Vijay shankar only compeition was hardik, so when he was rested he came up

 

in t20 , likes of pant who is ahead of him still no finding a place n he didnt that gr8 ipl to earn a national cap. His A tour n domestic have more merit but wait let him be more polished. Abhi koi jaldi nhin hai, i knw u feel he will do better then dhawan, pujara n rohit ......no he wnt atleast 1-2 games se zyaada nhin 

[Ankit_sharma03]

10 minutes ago, Vilander said:

He is not a ftb. Has a very different technique but was effective everywhere

Actually he has glaring weakness in his technique , ur making sound like an unorthodox player which he is not 

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, raki05 said:

But even with limited technique as you say, he is producing good result. look at smith, sehwag technique, sometimes grit and determination are far more important than technique.

as i said international cricket is a diff beast, he is scoring runs coz he has quality. But quality alone is never enough. U have to take quality to diff level. 

I have always said sehwag was all about diff mindset then technique , that kind of mindset is once in ages . 

I find it hialrious when someone scores quick n ppl compare him to sehwag, well sehwag was diff due to his mindset 

 

Even gritty n determined player got polished over a period of time

[vvvslaxman]

Prithvi shaw closest i can think of is UThappa in terms of technique. But Prithvi has a better backfoot game than Uthappam.

[raki05]

4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

It is, n not only me commenattors also pointed. Simon doul pointed in u-19 wc only 

Yes someone shud perform n almost every where but atleast for a period of time in case of bastman, pant piled on runs in 1st season to drop down in 2nd which wud have made him a better player in 3rd season. Jaldi kya hai ....let him become better 

All this kohli, sharma, rahane, pujara, dhawan, iyer , pandey who have played in recent years did well for few yrs in domestic 

 

Pandey , iyer have been playing A-tours for a while now 

Vijay shankar only compeition was hardik, so when he was rested he came up

 

in t20 , likes of pant who is ahead of him still no finding a place n he didnt that gr8 ipl to earn a national cap. His A tour n domestic have more merit but wait let him be more polished. Abhi koi jaldi nhin hai, i knw u feel he will do better then dhawan, pujara n rohit ......no he wnt atleast 1-2 games se zyaada nhin 

How many domestic season and A games Sharma and kohli played before braking in to national team. Besides I don't claim he ll play better than pujara, I m talking abt chance in t 20 . Jaldi kya hai, abey opening  air middle order Dekha hair India Ka. Don't u see a glaring  weekends coz of that we never won a major title post 13. Coz people are happy with bilateral victory where tems normally rest there main players and performing against weekest players give a false sense of satisfaction that these dead ll perform in major tournaments, don't u see a trend here.

[Vilander]

4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Actually he has glaring weakness in his technique , ur making sound like an unorthodox player which he is not 

his technique was not good. But he was effective everywhere, i dont think having 50 average in tests is possible for a FTB unless that person plays only in Indian flat tracks and its certainly not possible for an opener.

[raki05]

4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

as i said international cricket is a diff beast, he is scoring runs coz he has quality. But quality alone is never enough. U have to take quality to diff level. 

I have always said sehwag was all about diff mindset then technique , that kind of mindset is once in ages . 

I find it hialrious when someone scores quick n ppl compare him to sehwag, well sehwag was diff due to his mindset 

 

Even gritty n determined player got polished over a period of time

Sehwag bhi pehley din se hi 50 AVG wala sehwag Nahi tha. How many people were assure that he ll have 50 average in test cricket.kind of batsmen he was every one was expecting him to be a better LOI player than test. Aaj k sehwag ko kyun compare Kar rahey ho, waisey Bhi sehwag became more aggressive after mid onwards of his career. People compare Saw with Sehwag coz he is also naturally aggressive and all people are expecting that these youngster should get chance in T20 where dead weights like Sharma, Raina, Pandey and dhoni are still screwing and haunting us. Jaldi kya hai abey performance Dekh major tournaments me 13 CT k based air wt20 me 07 k Baad.... Already 11 Saal ho Gaye hai T20 jitey Huey Aur tujhey ye jaldi lag rha hai 07 me hi ghari Ruk gayi this kya, chacha?

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 minutes ago, raki05 said:

How many domestic season and A games Sharma and kohli played before braking in to national team. Besides I don't claim he ll play better than pujara, I m talking abt chance in t 20 . Jaldi kya hai, abey opening  air middle order Dekha hair India Ka. Don't u see a glaring  weekends coz of that we never won a major title post 13. Coz people are happy with bilateral victory where tems normally rest there main players and performing against weekest players give a false sense of satisfaction that these dead ll perform in major tournaments, don't u see a trend here.

opening men u already have vijay n rahul n he isnt even better then dhawan at this point

In odi - u cnt drop rohit as of now , a big player wnt be dropped that soon 

What guarantee is shaw will perform in big tournament as big tournaments are about pressure which is were experience will come in to play

In t20 , dnt give national cap so easily . If someone pant deserves it before him and so does samson 

[Ankit_sharma03]

6 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Sehwag bhi pehley din se hi 50 AVG wala sehwag Nahi tha. How many people were assure that he ll have 50 average in test cricket.kind of batsmen he was every one was expecting him to be a better LOI player than test. Aaj k sehwag ko kyun compare Kar rahey ho, waisey Bhi sehwag became more aggressive after mid onwards of his career. People compare Saw with Sehwag coz he is also naturally aggressive and all people are expecting that these youngster should get chance in T20 where dead weights like Sharma, Raina, Pandey and dhoni are still screwing and haunting us. Jaldi kya hai abey performance Dekh major tournaments me 13 CT k based air wt20 me 07 k Baad.... Already 11 Saal ho Gaye hai T20 jitey Huey Aur tujhey ye jaldi lag rha hai 07 me hi ghari Ruk gayi this kya, chacha?

Sehwag debut in 1998 n then came back in 2000 , so he also took time to make a comeback and then a lot more time to become better which shows international cricket is a different beast

M not comparing anyone to sehwag, as i said his biggest asset was his mindset . Just becoz someone plays aggressively doesnt make him sehwag. Abhi shaw ne challenge his face nhin kia 2nd season ka 

 

So many times we have seen so many players struggle in 2nd season which is what makes them better, yet we dnt learn we just wanna throw a new player just becoz grass is greener on other side. Earning a national cap shudnt be so easy. Great he has done well in one season now do it consistency for 2nd n 3rd. Work on ur game, if many of us here has caught his weakness ....international cricketer will do that quicker then

 

shaw hasnt done that gr8 in t20 jo national cap de do , he was good in few games in IPL then opposition started soughting him out

Their are players like pant n samson, kishen before him , he cnt jump the line 

 

1 player tumko cup nhin jeetane wala 

Edited July 7, 2018 by Ankit_sharma03

[Ankit_sharma03]

13 minutes ago, Vilander said:

his technique was not good. But he was effective everywhere, i dont think having 50 average in tests is possible for a FTB unless that person plays only in Indian flat tracks and its certainly not possible for an opener.

wait confusion i was refering to shaw n u were talking about sehwag, my mistake 

I rated sehwag very highly , thats why i dnt like comparison to him or any gr8 players done so casually 

 

Sehwag, dhoni, kohli all their greatest strength was their mindset which are rare to find. 

[raki05]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

opening men u already have vijay n rahul n he isnt even better then dhawan at this point

In odi - u cnt drop rohit as of now , a big player wnt be dropped that soon 

What guarantee is shaw will perform in big tournament as big tournaments are about pressure which is were experience will come in to play

In t20 , dnt give national cap so easily . If someone pant deserves it before him and so does samson 

We are talking abt T20.... Does pant competing with Saw. Saw is fighting for opening slot pant should replace dhoni. Saw is much better option than dhwan and Rohit for t20. Even if he fail initially it ll not make any difference, as we already have failed opners in T20 format. Pant can easily take Pandey, Raina or Dhoni place in middle order.

[Vilander]

4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

wait confusion i was refering to shaw n u were talking about sehwag, my mistake 

I rated sehwag very highly , thats why i dnt like comparison to him or any gr8 players done so casually 

 

Sehwag, dhoni, kohli all their greatest strength was their mindset which are rare to find. 

cool man. i was responding to Sehwag being called a FTB.  Not sure abt the kid never seen him bat.

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, raki05 said:

We are talking abt T20.... Does pant competing with Saw. Saw is fighting for opening slot pant should replace dhoni. Saw is much better option than dhwan and Rohit for t20. Even if he fail initially it ll not make any difference, as we already have failed opners in T20 format. Pant can easily take Pandey, Raina or Dhoni place in middle order.

Pant samson kishen are all good enough to even play as batsman , they all are in line before him

shaw has done nothing to prove that he is better then dhawan n rohit in t20 in international cricket.......so lets not make that statement . 

Dhawan record in t20 has massivly improved in last 2 yrs , how is he a failure. 

 

 

[raki05]

3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

M not comparing anyone to sehwag, as i said his biggest asset was his mindset . Just becoz someone plays aggresively doesnt make him sehwag

shaw hasnt done gr8 in t20, he was good in few games in IPL then opposition started soughting him out

Their are players like pant n samson before him 

 

1 player tumko cup nhin jeetane wala 

Abey kya likh rha hai....did I claim he ll won u world cup. Did u see Saw stats in IPL first season, and no body figured him out. That's very wrong judgement, coz t 20 format is about hit out or get out, it's not the format to analyze batsmanship, tell me this if he has been figured out in 6 matches in T20 (IPL) by spinners. Why he has not been figured out in odi and test by same spinners, which he not only played on Indian pitches but also performed on international matches. Bhaiagar Dravidian k time T20 hits thanks Aur there jaisa selector hota Jo T20 k basis pe odi Aur test team select karta than he might not have played for India ever. anyway T20 is any intent and not to analyze technique of a batsmen and the intent is clearly lacking in current India T20 team, where other than Rahul And kohli others are just making up the numbers.That is the sole reason we are not able to win the cup for more than 11 years inspite of having good bench strength.

[raki05]

4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Pant samson kishen are all good enough to even play as batsman , they all are in line before him

shaw has done nothing to prove that he is better then dhawan n rohit in t20 in international cricket.......so lets not make that statement . 

Dhawan record in t20 has massivly improved in last 2 yrs , how is he a failure. 

 

 

How many t20 Shaw has played that u are comparing his stats with grown ass man who was significant failure for first 4 years and only perform in last 2 years, stats can always be misleading can you show his stats from T20 WC coz thts the stats everyone cares and not the biletral series where Pakistani are no 1 team and Babar Azam is best player. As I said t20 is any intent and he has good enough intent to play t20

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Abey kya likh rha hai....did I claim he ll won u world cup. Did u see Saw stats in IPL first season, and no body figured him out.

They did , they started using spin against him.....go check again 

2 minutes ago, raki05 said:

That's very wrong judgement, coz t 20 format is about hit out or get out, it's not the format to analyze batsmanship, tell me this if he has been figured out in 6 matches in T20 (IPL) by spinners.

Actually i never thought spin wud be his weakness, in international cricket bowlers who ll bowl fuller length will trouble him . He plays far far away from the body at times . So 

6 match se yaad aaya, how does his 6 matches make him land a place above kishen, samson, pant ....chalo ull say pant will bat in middle .....But samson n kishen both can open 

2 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Why he has not been figured out in odi and test by same spinners, which he not only played on Indian pitches but also performed on international matches. Bhaiagar Dravidian k time T20 hits thanks Aur there jaisa selector hota Jo T20 k basis pe odi Aur test team select karta than he might not have played for India ever. anyway T20 is any intent and not to analyze technique of a batsmen and the intent is clearly lacking in current India T20 team, where other than Rahul And kohli others are just making up the numbers.That is the sole reason we are not able to win the cup for more than 11 years inspite of having good bench strength.

Intent to raina men bhi hai , lekin fasta aaj bhi apni problem ke aage hai 

Intent to yusuf pathan men bhi tha problem, lekin limitation maar jaati thi 

 

Intent alone isnt the problem, their were many issues that we didnt win any t20 Wc in 11 yrs 

[raki05]

btw as you are so interested in stats. So Shaw has 153 SR with 28 AVG in first IPL and dhwan has 136 SR with 37 AVG. Also this is first time dhwan performed after playing 5 IPL and check his SR compare to a 17 year old.

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, raki05 said:

How many t20 Shaw has played that u are comparing his stats with grown ass man who was significant failure for first 4 years and only perform in last 2 years,

Did i say m comparing. M asking how is he a failure by showing stats 

3 minutes ago, raki05 said:

stats can always be misleading can you show his stats from T20 WC coz thts the stats everyone cares and not the biletral series where Pakistani are no 1 team and Babar Azam is best player. As I said t20 is any intent and he has good enough intent to play t20

T20 Wc to hua 2016 men tha last, thats what m saying he has improved as t20 player in last 2 yrs 

N no one can throw a player with those stats ......

Intent alone cnt buy u a place

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, raki05 said:

btw as you are so interested in stats. So Shaw has 153 SR with 28 AVG in first IPL and dhwan has 136 SR with 37 AVG. Also this is first time dhwan performed after playing 5 IPL and check his SR compare to a 17 year old.

Dhawan past doesnt matter today, coz he is playing in present . Neither shaw future skills coz cricket is played in present 

 

One way to look at this also is dhawan scored runs when opposition know about him, let shaw have that stats when opposition come planned against him n then take that place happily. 

Ur standard is low , i wanna give someone a place once he has past few challenges not the one season moon

[raki05]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

They did , they started using spin against him.....go check again 

Actually i never thought spin wud be his weakness, in international cricket bowlers who ll bowl fuller length will trouble him . He plays far far away from the body at times . So 

6 match se yaad aaya, how does his 6 matches make him land a place above kishen, samson, pant ....chalo ull say pant will bat in middle .....But samson n kishen both can open 

Intent to raina men bhi hai , lekin fasta aaj bhi apni problem ke aage hai 

Intent to yusuf pathan men bhi tha problem, lekin limitation maar jaati thi 

 

Intent alone isnt the problem, their were many issues that we didnt win any t20 Wc in 11 yrs 

But Raina aaj Bhi khel rha hai hai ki Nahi, dhoni Aur Pandey Bhi T20 khel they hai ki Nahi. How many time I said if it's weakness how he is performing everywhere and even if it is how it will hinder him to perform in t20. Samson was not opening and Kishan did not perform better than Shaw.They were on par and where did I say that these player should not get chance. Pata hai what's the problem with u, u would have did the same comparison had I asked for pant, Kishan and Samson the team than u would have endorsed Raydu, Pandey and Jadhav. I m just not talking abt Shaw I m talking to overhaul opening and middle order of our T20 with new performing players.