Just for discussion sake who was the greatest All rounder of The fab four kapil imran

[Ultimate_Game]

Something tells me that was a troll post. Is it?

What are you on about? Kapil was the best amongst his peers. He tarnished his stats and legacy by carrying in 2 years too long to break Hadlee's record else he was the better all-rounder. Hadlee - Can't be termed an all-rounder. He was a bowler who could bat a bit similar to Akram, maybe slightly better bat than Akram Botham - Way too inconsistent as a batsman and if you take out his magical Ashes series he wasn't great shakes with the bat Imran - His stats flatter to deceive. In the first part of his career he was primarily a bowler with poor batting average. In the latter half he subsequently gave up bowling and played mostly as a batsman and picked wkts as a 3rd seamer on the back of Akram and others. He never had a long run where he could do both batting and bowling at a high level.

[Vijay.Sharma]

What are you on about? Kapil was the best amongst his peers. He tarnished his stats and legacy by carrying in 2 years too long to break Hadlee's record else he was the better all-rounder. Hadlee - Can't be termed an all-rounder. He was a bowler who could bat a bit similar to Akram, maybe slightly better bat than Akram Botham - Way too inconsistent as a batsman and if you take out his magical Ashes series he wasn't great shakes with the bat Imran - His stats flatter to deceive. In the first part of his career he was primarily a bowler with poor batting average. In the latter half he subsequently gave up bowling and played mostly as a batsman and picked wkts as a 3rd seamer on the back of Akram and others. He never had a long run where he could do both batting and bowling at a high level.

While I personally feel that at the peak of their AR prowess, both Kapil and Botham were ahead of Imran and Hadlee, I dont think the distance between Kapil and Botham was a "mile". Overall Imran was the best But during the early-mid 80s peak of the ARs, Kapil and Botham were superior to the other two and I have Kapil ahead based on personal bias.

[the don]

Few would dispute that Imran was the finest cricketer Pakistan has produced, or the biggest heartthrob. Suave, erudite and monstrously talented, he gave cricket in the subcontinent real sex appeal in the 1970s and 1980s. As such he and TV completed the popularisation of the game in his country which Hanif Mohammad and the radio had begun. Thousands, if not millions, who had never dreamt of bowling fast on heartless baked mud suddenly wanted to emulate Imran and his lithe bounding run, his leap and his reverse-swinging yorker. He also made himself into an allrounder worth a place for his batting alone, and captained Pakistan as well as anyone, rounding off his career with the 1992 World Cup. He played hardly any domestic cricket in Pakistan: instead he just flew in for home series from Worcestershire or Sussex, or rather from the more fashionable London salons. His averages (37 with the bat, 22 with the ball) put him at the top of the quartet of allrounders (Ian Botham, Richard Hadlee and Kapil Dev being the others) who dominated Test cricket in the 1980s. And whereas Botham declined steadily, Imran just got better and better: in his last 10 years of international cricket he played 51 Tests, averaging a sensational 50 with the bat and 19 with the ball. He gave no quarter during some memorable battles with West Indies - Pakistan drew three series with them at a time when everybody else was being bounced out of sight - and he led Pakistan to their first series victory in England in 1987, taking 10 for 77 with an imperious display in the decisive victory at Headingley. After retirement he remained a high-profile figure, with his marriage - and subsequent split with - the socialite Jemima Goldsmith. is this discussion real life ?? king khan was the best by a distance followed by botham .

[coffee_rules]

That's an interesting viewpoint. Hadlee ahead of the other 3 in career AR stakes? Would be nice to hear more about the reasons for such a ranking...

I am biased towards bowling as I thinking it is a tougher skill than batting. The game is tilted towards batsmen and bowlers have it tough - one bouncer, flatter pitches, fielding restrictions (atleast in ODIs and DHad-Dhad). Hadlee excelled bowling dept among all 4, and in batting he was no muck. Because of the gap in bowling between him and others, I rate him higher.

[zen]

I am biased towards bowling as I thinking it is a tougher skill than batting. The game is tilted towards batsmen and bowlers have it tough - one bouncer' date=' flatter pitches, fielding restrictions (atleast in ODIs and DHad-Dhad). Hadlee excelled bowling dept among all 4, and in batting he was no muck. Because of the gap in bowling between him and others, I rate him higher.[/quote'] I would rate Kapil based on batting, bowling and fielding skills, along his performances against WI and raw potential, .... but if I had to pick one it would be Hadlee maninly because he could win you games single handedly with his bowling and his batting is a bonus. iirc, NZ was amongst the top test sides in 80s mainly because of him

[Guest BossBhai]

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[The Outsider]

For the parameters I can think of, there is not sufficient data. And I am not willing to pass judgement just based on average or deviation of their averages from peers. aap chahey tou apni mombatti abhi jala saktey ho, mera microscope banney mein time lagega.. aur funds bhi chahiye.

Can you please list the parameters that you want to compare Hammond and Raja on? And the data points to run your sophisticated N-body simulation - I can't promise, but I will try my best to help you out.

[rabinjackman]

SO whats the result of this discussion? WHo;s the best?