Is Shami already an Indian fast bowling legend or fast becoming one? What does stats say!

[Nikola]

5 hours ago, Texan said:

You forgot Kapildev?

He was good but in odis in this era he would have averaged 32+. There is no swing movement like he had but he would have been better batsman for sure.

[rkt.india]

34 minutes ago, maniac said:

Lol wut. The guy was the highest wicket taker at one point in ODIs.A one man army in ODIs batting bowling and fielding For us over a decade. Imagine what he would do in this current line up at his peak.

 

Till his 2nd last game he was bowling spells like 6-2-15-1.

 

He is hands down one of the greatest odi players ever to play the game. 

 

Guess who Viv Richards picked as one of the greatest xfactors to tilt a odi game with just about anything batting, bowling or fielding 

 

 

That was 80s and such spells were done by most in those days even Madan  Lal, Sandhu, Roger Binny.  I dont even count 80s ODI cricket as ODI cricket. With the bat, he was probably marginally better than Afridi in ODIs.  It doesn't matter who called what.  Regarding being the highest wicket taker if you play so many games and is the new ball bowler of your side, you are bound to pick wickets.

 

If you think Afridi is one of the greatest ODI player ever then so is Kapil.  Afridi has 395 ODI wickets, 8000 ODI runs at an average of 23 SR of 117, 6 ODI 100s and 39 50s.

Edited June 29, 2019 by rkt.india

[cric_fan]

But But But...India can never produce a pacer let alone a fast bowling legend.

Those days are gone. Ind has a robust system in place.

[FischerTal]

21 hours ago, velu said:

shami is a legend , on and off the pitch

 

I thought shami can't speak or understand English

[Texan]

9 hours ago, Nikola said:

He was good but in odis in this era he would have averaged 32+. There is no swing movement like he had but he would have been better batsman for sure.

Never underestimate greats. They can mould their game to the times. Even in the 90s when it became a batsman's game, Kapil was still very good. Players in their generation played according to their times. 

[Texan]

10 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Average isnt the right way to judge 70s-80s bowlers because scoring rate were slow so even if they were not taking many wickets, their average stayed respectable.  If some bowler today has same number of wickets but goes for 4.7 instead of 3.7 rpo, his average will shot up to 34.  Maintaining 25 or less average in today's cricket is one of the most difficult task for a bowler.  IMO, 30 is the new 25, 25 is the new 20 because of the scoring rates.  Very few bowlers currently average 25 or less.  While in 80s, 90s, 2000s, we had plenty such bowlers.  Now you cant even count 10.  To have sub 25 average, one must have wickets per match ratio between 1.5-2 with decent ER these days.  Shami has 1.86 wickets per match ratio (WPMR) as well as second best SR ever at 27, better than even Bumrah who has 1.74 WPMR and 29 SR as good as likes of Brett Lee who for me was an ODI ATG with 1,71 WPMR but Bumrah has better ER so has better average than Shami.  The greatest ODI bowler ever played is Mitchell Starc with 2 wickets per match, 164 wickets in 82 matches, average 21, best SR ever by any fast bowler taking over 150 wickets at an SR of 25.

 

Kapil Dev and BK are in similar category at 1.12 and 1.13 wickets per match and that is why BK has such a high average of 35 because his ER is almost 1.3 points higher than Kapil Dev.  Garner was the best ODI bowler in 80s with 1.48 wickets per match. In today's cricket, if a bowlers wants to have respectable average, he will have to have at least 1.5 wickets per match ratio. For e.g., if Bhuvi had 1.5 wickets per match ratio, it means he wold have picked 162 wickets in 108 matches instead of 123 he has right now and if he also had maintained his current ER of 4.99, he would have been averaging 26 right now instead of 35.  This is the biggest reason, wicket taking bowlers are the most precious commodities these days.

How many Indian bowlers during his time had a sub 4 ER?