Ankit_sharma03 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, putrevus said: If Iyer played he would have been first too. n how sure are u that iyer wud have scored that many runs. Far superior n settled batsman like kohli n rohit cudnt . Not long ago acc to u there was no batting talent in India including iyer Edited December 2, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03 Link to comment
putrevus Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: KL played his part in win against SA, PAK, SL . Kohli got a chance coz his team went to final in 2011, not KL fault if his team didnt. Everyone failed that day He got enough chances in other format coz he performed. When he didnt he got dropped. This other format doesnt apply to dhawan who is a fail in 2 formats n keeps getting position in those 2 based on one format In 23 ODI games if we decide someone doesnt belong there god help us KL does not deserve to selected in odis .There are better players than him.Hehas to blame himself his woes. Stop comparing every tom dick and harry to Kohli. Edited December 2, 2019 by putrevus express bowling 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, putrevus said: KL does not deserve to selected in odis .There are better players than him.Hehas to blame himself his woes. After avg 45 in WC he didnt deserve to be dropped, he didnt deserve to be on bench for t20 yet he has been ur saying dhawan with his record deserves a chance in t20 ur saying rohit deserved a chance in test ur saying Rayudu n karthik deserved a chance These were TTF.....rahul hasnt even played enough ODI Quote Stop comparing every tom dick and harry to Kohli. Why ??? If kohli can struggle why cant others Ye to double standard hai . Its not that kohli was an untouchable freak from Day-1. KL slammed 100s in 1st eng n WI tour.....kohli was a sitting duck on 1st eng n WI tour KL scored more in his 1st Wc then kohli did ... KL has 2 t20 100s kohli has none Infact till a huge number of test their stats were neck to neck PPL said - dont compare anyone to kohli now rohit is giving him a tough time for No.1 batsman in ODI cricket Edited December 2, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03 Link to comment
putrevus Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: After avg 45 in WC he didnt deserve to be dropped, he didnt deserve to be on bench for t20 yet he has been ur saying dhawan with his record deserves a chance in t20 ur saying rohit deserved a chance in test ur saying Rayudu n karthik deserved a chance These were TTF.....rahul hasnt even played enough ODI Why ??? If kohli can struggle why cant others Ye to double standard hai . Its not that kohli was an untouchable freak from Day-1. KL slammed 100s in 1st eng n WI tour.....kohli was a sitting duck on 1st eng n WI tour KL scored more in his 1st Wc then kohli did ... KL has 2 t20 100s kohli has none Infact till a huge number of test their stats were neck to neck PPL said - dont compare anyone to kohli now rohit is giving him a tough time for No.1 batsman in ODI cricket Kohli is world best batsman, Can Rahul at age 26 even dream of becoming one.If you don't know why you should not compare Kohli with any tom dick and harry, we don't have anything to discuss. Edited December 2, 2019 by putrevus Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, putrevus said: Kohli is world best batsman, Can Rahul at age 26 even dream of becoming one.If you don't know why you should not compare Kohli with any tom dick and harry, we don't have anything to discuss. did he become world best batsman in 23 ODI its not about age , its about how many games have u played. Kohli debut earlier In that case shame he fell short in so many areas to some tom dick n harry ....no wonder he drops him again n again . everyone is tom dick n harry at start.....no one become big without volume of work and for that u need to play Edited December 2, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03 Rightarmfast 1 Link to comment
Unleashed Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 I'm glad we're giving our young pacers time to develop in domestic cricket rather than fast tracking them into international cricket. Pakistan did the same with Naseem Shah, Hasnain and Musa Khan and all three have tanked quite spectacularly. The calls to include Mavi and Nagarkotti in International cricket is hilarious. Link to comment
Suhaan Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 15 hours ago, putrevus said: Kohli is world best batsman, Can Rahul at age 26 even dream of becoming one.If you don't know why you should not compare Kohli with any tom dick and harry, we don't have anything to discuss. Kohli is not worlds best batsman,not at the moment,not in any format Rightarmfast 1 Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Unleashed said: I'm glad we're giving our young pacers time to develop in domestic cricket rather than fast tracking them into international cricket. Pakistan did the same with Naseem Shah, Hasnain and Musa Khan and all three have tanked quite spectacularly. The calls to include Mavi and Nagarkotti in International cricket is hilarious. Well, unlike Pakistan, we have matured bowlers to stand by the side of our youngsters and guide them. Both Ishant and Shami have depth of experience and knowledge and it could be no better time for a youngster to bowl along side and take time to mature. I see no reason why the youngsters should be covered into security and we should be so conservative to play them. Edited December 3, 2019 by Rightarmfast express bowling, Mosher and Suhaan 2 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted December 3, 2019 Author Share Posted December 3, 2019 31 minutes ago, Unleashed said: I'm glad we're giving our young pacers time to develop in domestic cricket rather than fast tracking them into international cricket. Pakistan did the same with Naseem Shah, Hasnain and Musa Khan and all three have tanked quite spectacularly. The calls to include Mavi and Nagarkotti in International cricket is hilarious. What is stopping us from introducing Saini and Siraj in test matches ? What is stopping us from including Mavi, Prasidh and Avesh in the India-A team playing 11 regularly ? Suhaan, Mosher and Rightarmfast 1 1 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted December 3, 2019 Author Share Posted December 3, 2019 20 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said: Well, unlike Pakistan, we have matured bowlers to stand by the side of our youngsters and guide them. Both Ishant and Shami have depth of experience and knowledge and it could be no better time for a youngster to bowl along side and take time to mature. I see no reason why the youngsters should be covered into security and we should be so conservative to play them. True. 1 new bowler with 3 experienced bowlers usually work ... it worked with Shaheen Afridi who is now a regular in the side despite being a Mavi or Nagarkoti contemporary. Pakistan's problem in Australia was not Naseem. Their problem was that their other 3 bowlers lacked either experience or quality or both. Their other issue was that they could have introduced the young pacers against a weaker opposition. Suhaan, Rightarmfast and Mosher 1 2 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 39 minutes ago, Unleashed said: I'm glad we're giving our young pacers time to develop in domestic cricket rather than fast tracking them into international cricket. But we have overdone it Saini n siraj shud have played 1-2 years ago, even ankit rajpoot to express bowling 1 Link to comment
Unleashed Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: But we have overdone it Saini n siraj shud have played 1-2 years ago, even ankit rajpoot to I think only Saini is deserved to play more. Siraj is more of a longer format bowler and tbh it's very tough to overtake our five pace bowlers(Bhuvi, Bumrah, Shami, Ishant, Umesh) in tests. Deepak Chahar is pretty average IMO and before the start of every match I think he's gonna be trashed by the opposite team but the bloke keeps on taking wickets and thus it's hard for the selectors to drop him. Zaleel Ahmed is pretty rubbish so we might we want to try a new left armer soon. Link to comment
Unleashed Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 32 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said: Well, unlike Pakistan, we have matured bowlers to stand by the side of our youngsters and guide them. Both Ishant and Shami have depth of experience and knowledge and it could be no better time for a youngster to bowl along side and take time to mature. I see no reason why the youngsters should be covered into security and we should be so conservative to play them. We need to calm down wrt to Mavi and Nagarkoti. Both have played few domestic matches and they need time to develop. There's no need to introduce them so quickly in any international cricket. Especially as they're quite injury prone. Aussies did the same with Cummins and Pattinson and both of them lost two-three years due to injury. Important to build their workrate in domestic cricket and increase their muscle memory first rather than rushing them into international cricket where pressure is immense. We've a quality bowling lineup which shouldn't go anywhere in the next two years. They're still 21 and have loads of time. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Unleashed said: I think only Saini is deserved to play more. Siraj is more of a longer format bowler and tbh it's very tough to overtake our five pace bowlers(Bhuvi, Bumrah, Shami, Ishant, Umesh) in tests. He cud easily replace umesh overseas, umesh only has been a beast in India overseas he hasnt done well. PPL mix format n conditions Ishant hasnt been gr8 at home apart from pink ball or test which has a lot of conventional seam movement help which happens once in a while In Eng tour when we had injuries we went to shardul 3 minutes ago, Unleashed said: Deepak Chahar is pretty average IMO and before the start of every match I think he's gonna be trashed by the opposite team but the bloke keeps on taking wickets and thus it's hard for the selectors to drop him. Zaleel Ahmed is pretty rubbish so we might we want to try a new left armer soon. Chahar has been excellent in t20 but he is not ODI material, we cnt take away his t20 pefomances . We shudnt mix formats n conditions Khaleel had talent n everyone here accepted it, he didnt translate it ininto international is a diff thing as its to say afterwards. But selection of thakur, kaul were wrong Suhaan 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Unleashed said: We need to calm down wrt to Mavi and Nagarkoti. I agree on nagarkotti, that ppl need to calm down on his case as he has been injured for 2 yrs now....so let him play 1 season full and be fit. He 1st has to gain his rhythem n pace back About mavi when ever he plays domestic he does well, so time has come for him to progress to next level which is India-A. There are tons of other talent to but selection of dhawal, unadkat, kaul is taking us nowere Rightarmfast and Suhaan 2 Link to comment
express bowling Posted December 3, 2019 Author Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: I agree on nagarkotti, that ppl need to calm down on his case as he has been injured for 2 yrs now....so let him play 1 season full and be fit. He 1st has to gain his rhythem n pace back No serious poster has asked for Nagarkoti's inclusion in Team India or even India-A just now. We don't even know what his fitness status is. Mavi, Nagarkoti, Prasidh, Avesh and Khaleel ... all these guys need to play this full Ranji season. Preferably the next one too ( except Avesh if he performs really well this season that is 2nd season in a row ) 1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: About mavi when ever he plays domestic he does well, so time has come for him to progress to next level which is India-A. There are tons of other talent to but selection of dhawal, unadkat, kaul is taking us nowere Exactly. ! Mosher, Rightarmfast and Suhaan 3 Link to comment
express bowling Posted December 3, 2019 Author Share Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) My preferred pacers for India-A in 2020 Unofficial Tests ---- Saini Siraj Avesh Mavi List-A ---- Saini Prasidh Mavi Khaleel ( and he does not get to play for India Senior team till he improves ) Edited December 3, 2019 by express bowling Mosher and Suhaan 1 1 Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 30 minutes ago, Unleashed said: We need to calm down wrt to Mavi and Nagarkoti. Both have played few domestic matches and they need time to develop. There's no need to introduce them so quickly in any international cricket. Especially as they're quite injury prone. Aussies did the same with Cummins and Pattinson and both of them lost two-three years due to injury. Important to build their workrate in domestic cricket and increase their muscle memory first rather than rushing them into international cricket where pressure is immense. We've a quality bowling lineup which shouldn't go anywhere in the next two years. They're still 21 and have loads of time. Agree. I wrote more about Saini and the rest of the gang. And agree with the other posters that Mavi has it in him. We need to give him a taste of international cricket. Mosher, Suhaan and express bowling 3 Link to comment
putrevus Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 I heard Mavi is good with bat, can he replace Pandya as allrounder? Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 19 minutes ago, putrevus said: I heard Mavi is good with bat, can he replace Pandya as allrounder? no he is a bowler who can bat , i think nagarkotti n rahul chahar have more batting ability . Whatever i hve seen of all bowlers- Gopal, gowtham, Deepak chahar has most batting abilties for LOI still none can bat in top 7 Pandya alone can play in LOI as batsman since power hitting is a specialist job Link to comment
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