More often than not our overrated batsmen have been culprits in overseas tours

[R!TTER]

10 minutes ago, Gollum said:

I'd like to think that defending 180 against that WI was a much greater challenge than the one our batsmen were presented with at least in 2015 and 2017. 

This is why I said the P word, the biggest difference in a good team & great team at the highest level is what they do with pressure - this is why you always bat first in KO games 99/100 times. Yes WI was a great team & they also failed under pressure at the grandest stage, our midgets failed miserably in 2003, 2017 - the 2015 SF was chaseable & Brat, Dhongi, the rest of the gang just flopped bad & hard on what was a decent pitch to chase that score on. If I had to apportion blame I'd still go 55-60 to bowlers with batters being responsible no more than 45% for that loss.

Edited December 23, 2020 by R!TTER

[SK_IH]

51 minutes ago, Gollum said:

@SK_IH individually our bowlers may not have been great but performed better as a collective unit. OTOH our famous, hyped test batsmen more often than not failed to do justice to their reputation overseas. Do you at least agree with this assertion? 

 

Also look at the ICC tournaments we won, 1983 (miracle by bowlers against that WI), 1985 (throughout the tourney), 2007 (esp against RSA, Pak), 2011 (QF, SF, F), 2013 (miracle F), all came on the back of bowlers being superb and clutch. Batsmen messed up badly in 2014 WT20 F, 2019 SF and when they had to step up and deliver a great performance (2003 F, 2015 SF, 2017 CT F) they miserably failed every single time. 1987, 1996 SF, 2017 CT F we blundered at the toss so TM deserves max blame in those cases. 

Surely most of Indian batsmen are overhyped

 

54 minutes ago, Gollum said:

@SK_IH individually our bowlers may not have been great but performed better as a collective unit. OTOH our famous, hyped test batsmen more often than not failed to do justice to their reputation overseas. Do you at least agree with this assertion? 

 

Also look at the ICC tournaments we won, 1983 (miracle by bowlers against that WI), 1985 (throughout the tourney), 2007 (esp against RSA, Pak), 2011 (QF, SF, F), 2013 (miracle F), all came on the back of bowlers being superb and clutch. Batsmen messed up badly in 2014 WT20 F, 2019 SF and when they had to step up and deliver a great performance (2003 F, 2015 SF, 2017 CT F) they miserably failed every single time. 1987, 1996 SF, 2017 CT F we blundered at the toss so TM deserves max blame in those cases. 

Agree about the overhyped batting part but not about bowlers performing better collectively. Most of the times the collective units used to have different actors, never consistent enough to forge a bowling attack. Hence, never did more than solitary victory here or there. 

[SK_IH]

51 minutes ago, Gollum said:

@SK_IH individually our bowlers may not have been great but performed better as a collective unit. OTOH our famous, hyped test batsmen more often than not failed to do justice to their reputation overseas. Do you at least agree with this assertion? 

 

Also look at the ICC tournaments we won, 1983 (miracle by bowlers against that WI), 1985 (throughout the tourney), 2007 (esp against RSA, Pak), 2011 (QF, SF, F), 2013 (miracle F), all came on the back of bowlers being superb and clutch. Batsmen messed up badly in 2014 WT20 F, 2019 SF and when they had to step up and deliver a great performance (2003 F, 2015 SF, 2017 CT F) they miserably failed every single time. 1987, 1996 SF, 2017 CT F we blundered at the toss so TM deserves max blame in those cases. 

Surely most of Indian batsmen are overhyped

 

54 minutes ago, Gollum said:

@SK_IH individually our bowlers may not have been great but performed better as a collective unit. OTOH our famous, hyped test batsmen more often than not failed to do justice to their reputation overseas. Do you at least agree with this assertion? 

 

Also look at the ICC tournaments we won, 1983 (miracle by bowlers against that WI), 1985 (throughout the tourney), 2007 (esp against RSA, Pak), 2011 (QF, SF, F), 2013 (miracle F), all came on the back of bowlers being superb and clutch. Batsmen messed up badly in 2014 WT20 F, 2019 SF and when they had to step up and deliver a great performance (2003 F, 2015 SF, 2017 CT F) they miserably failed every single time. 1987, 1996 SF, 2017 CT F we blundered at the toss so TM deserves max blame in those cases. 

Agree about the overhyped batting part but not about bowlers performing better collectively. Most of the times the collective units used to have different actors, never consistent enough to forge a bowling attack. Hence, never did more than solitary victory here or there. 

[Khota]

They always are. If the opening pair does not play the first 30 overs it is nothing but trouble for India.

[zen]

A key reason why I have begun to rate Pujara as the most impactful batsman since 1990