Khota Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 18 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/centres-move-on-direct-payment-to-farmers-is-another-provocation-says-punjab-cm/articleshow/81398121.cms Not that simple. Most of the complaint is against showing land record etc. That is another red tape to harass farmers and nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Khota said: Not that simple. Most of the complaint is against showing land record etc. That is another red tape to harass farmers and nothing else. Also , a system to check who is a real farmer and who is a fake one. Always good to cut the middlemen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda-esque Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/centres-move-on-direct-payment-to-farmers-is-another-provocation-says-punjab-cm/articleshow/81398121.cms No doubt who profits from middlemen.These jokers have a problem with everything lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 56 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Also , a system to check who is a real farmer and who is a fake one. Always good to cut the middlemen If that is the intent then I agree. But as you know with any bureaucratic agency that is one more hoop for farmer to jump thru. Another step now he has to take to get compensated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkey Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 17 hours ago, Khota said: Name one sector in India that does not have tax evasion. Stop the corrupt officials who take bribe in GOI. I am well aware of the institutional level corruption in our society that needs to be addressed but not serve as a benchmark to be maintained. Besides tax exemption is unique to agriculture industry that allows it to be exploited for money laundering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkey Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 14 hours ago, Singh bling said: It's better BJP first clean it's home first 46% of BJP are crorepati farmers Direct payments will be mandated for all farmers, regardless of their political affiliation. It could hurt BJP/Congressi politicians for all I care, as long as it ensures more transparency. Yoda-esque 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 35 minutes ago, donkey said: I am well aware of the institutional level corruption in our society that needs to be addressed but not serve as a benchmark to be maintained. Besides tax exemption is unique to agriculture industry that allows it to be exploited for money laundering. That stuff goes on everywhere. The issue is farmers are drowning in debt and this bill will make it worse. No problem in fixing the corruption but how does that help rank and file farmer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, donkey said: Direct payments will be mandated for all farmers, regardless of their political affiliation. It could hurt BJP/Congressi politicians for all I care, as long as it ensures more transparency. I have no problem if a farmer takes his crop and is paid electronically the MSP for his produce.. Do you think that this is truly what they want to do or they are being punitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkey Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Khota said: That stuff goes on everywhere. The issue is farmers are drowning in debt and this bill will make it worse. No problem in fixing the corruption but how does that help rank and file farmer? How could direct payment to farmers drown them in debt? It allows for a more efficient distribution of money and greater accountability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkey Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, Khota said: I have no problem if a farmer takes his crop and is paid electronically the MSP for his produce.. Do you think that this is truly what they want to do or they are being punitive. Mutual benefit for both parties, farmers get the payment they are entitled to and the government gets to tighten the tax loopholes in the agriculture industry. You have no idea how many farms are being used as wedding venues in Rajasthan (possibly other states as well), all without paying a single tax dime, since its all declared as agriculture income. Digital payment allow you to trace the source of money so no more tax evasion. Khota 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 7 hours ago, donkey said: How could direct payment to farmers drown them in debt? It allows for a more efficient distribution of money and greater accountability. Direct payment will not drown them in debt. The problem is this is another red tape they have added which will cause delay in payment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Khota said: Direct payment will not drown them in debt. The problem is this is another red tape they have added which will cause delay in payment. 16% food grain production by Punjab Haryana, and 55% of entire country food grain production sold in their mandis... commission khoron ka andolan hai ye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 12 hours ago, Khota said: If that is the intent then I agree. But as you know with any bureaucratic agency that is one more hoop for farmer to jump thru. Another step now he has to take to get compensated. The direct benefit transfer tp Rs. 6000 to the farmer for Covid-relief into their janDjan account was done without any bureaucratic agency redtape. It cuts down distribution time. This opposition to direct transfer is done just for the sakeof it.Truly shameful for a progessive like Capt to disrupt progess like the anarchistic Delhi Govt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Arthiyas/Money-lenders would finance the poor farmers for exorbitant interest rates, and there was a lot of scope for exploitation. Farmers have lost their land, grains and even life, [aying the interest on the loans they get from arthiyas. There should be a need to eliminate the need for such money-lenders. Farmers should directly deal with the government, we don't need dalaals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda-esque Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 The direct benefit transfer tp Rs. 6000 to the farmer for Covid-relief into their janDjan account was done without any bureaucratic agency redtape. It cuts down distribution time. This opposition to direct transfer is done just for the sakeof it.Truly shameful for a progessive like Capt to disrupt progess like the anarchistic Delhi Govt.Who said he is progressive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Yoda-esque said: 10 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: The direct benefit transfer tp Rs. 6000 to the farmer for Covid-relief into their janDjan account was done without any bureaucratic agency redtape. It cuts down distribution time. This opposition to direct transfer is done just for the sakeof it.Truly shameful for a progessive like Capt to disrupt progess like the anarchistic Delhi Govt. Who said he is progressive? Secular/Minority Leader hance automatic membership to the United Progessives Elite Club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 On 3/9/2021 at 9:51 PM, Singh bling said: Either you pay MSP or big input subsidies. Indian farmers are now paying 80 rupees diesel so they are paying heavy tax on input cost. While they get barely 49 usd per farmer subsidy. On the other hand US farmer get 7500 usd while EU farmer gets 1000 usd subsidy https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/economy/agri-business/why-farm-subsidies-in-india-are-far-lower-than-in-rich-countries/article31839911.ece Also Spain has already passed a law that purchasing farm produce below input cost is crime https://www.eurofresh-distribution.com/news/spain-passes-law-protect-farmers-against-price-abuse Hmm, so at best one country that passed a law recently ? Can be considered but not quite the gold standard. There's no way we're giving a thousand dollars to 57% of our working population when our GDP & per capita are a tiny fraction of the country giving that amount. At least the farmers get a chance to talk to govt, its not like the govt consults people on tax slabs or motor vehicle act. There is no surety or even a chance to be honest that all demands can be met. Each working group & industry will demand a pound of the flesh after all. The biggest power of the farmers is their vote and they are the single biggest group that can unilaterally topple any central/state govt by the most legit of mechanisms come election time. Logically, it wouldn't make any sense either that a govt enriches 2-4 individuals by ravaging more than half the workforce. If they do so, the BJP can forget Lok Sabha elections for the next two decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda-esque Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Rakesh Tikait in MP today; farmers warn of stir if he is arrested in 2012 caseGoondas .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 2 hours ago, coffee_rules said: The direct benefit transfer tp Rs. 6000 to the farmer for Covid-relief into their janDjan account was done without any bureaucratic agency redtape. It cuts down distribution time. This opposition to direct transfer is done just for the sakeof it.Truly shameful for a progessive like Capt to disrupt progess like the anarchistic Delhi Govt. That was govt to every farmer. This is based on every crop sold and I can see the level of bribe and all that stuff that goes on. On paper a great idea, the implementation will be a beetch. Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 3 hours ago, randomGuy said: 16% food grain production by Punjab Haryana, and 55% of entire country food grain production sold in their mandis... commission khoron ka andolan hai ye. Punjab, Haryana and Up have developed a system long time back which is efficient and works. This will break it is the biggest concern. Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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