MK55 Posted March 30, 2025 Posted March 30, 2025 Mohit Sharma bowling filth. Looks like his deceit has been exposed this season. express bowling 1
Nikhil_cric Posted March 30, 2025 Posted March 30, 2025 Zeeshan Ashraf's underlying metrics are the least impressive . Nearly as unimpressive as Bishnoi. . Kuldeep gets big dip on the ball . Vipraj has much more potential with the turn he gets at that pace and significantly more drift and dip as well Axar also gets a lot of drift and turn also for the speed he bowls at.
Lord Posted March 30, 2025 Posted March 30, 2025 2 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said: Zeeshan Ashraf's underlying metrics are the least impressive . Nearly as unimpressive as Bishnoi. . Kuldeep gets big dip on the ball . Vipraj has much more potential with the turn he gets at that pace and significantly more drift and dip as well Axar also gets a lot of drift and turn also for the speed he bowls at. Vipraj can be good as he can bat too.
MK55 Posted March 30, 2025 Posted March 30, 2025 6 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said: Zeeshan Ashraf's underlying metrics are the least impressive . Nearly as unimpressive as Bishnoi. . Kuldeep gets big dip on the ball . Vipraj has much more potential with the turn he gets at that pace and significantly more drift and dip as well Axar also gets a lot of drift and turn also for the speed he bowls at. What is drift force exactly? How is it different from just drift or sideways movement before the ball pitches? Regardless of the way it’s defined, I’m surprised that Axar tops the list in drift force by such a massive margin. Makes me question the whole stats. Lord 1
Nikhil_cric Posted March 30, 2025 Posted March 30, 2025 12 minutes ago, MK55 said: What is drift force exactly? How is it different from just drift or sideways movement before the ball pitches? Regardless of the way it’s defined, I’m surprised that Axar tops the list in drift force by such a massive margin. Makes me question the whole stats. Magnus effect I think. Axar bowls more side spin and actually undercuts the ball and that's why he gets lift rather than dip
MK55 Posted March 30, 2025 Posted March 30, 2025 7 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said: Magnus effect I think. Axar bowls more side spin and actually undercuts the ball and that's why he gets lift rather than dip Probably. But I’m wondering if they are simply basing it off the angle of the arm at the release instead of the sideways deviation over the reference release angle. Axar does have a more sideways arm release.
Nikhil_cric Posted March 30, 2025 Posted March 30, 2025 5 minutes ago, MK55 said: Probably. But I’m wondering if they are simply basing it off the angle of the arm at the release instead of the sideways deviation over the reference release angle. Axar does have a more sideways arm release. This is from ball tracking data . Sorry for sounding stupid but isn't deviation measured from the point the ball pitches ?
MK55 Posted March 30, 2025 Posted March 30, 2025 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said: This is from ball tracking data . Sorry for sounding stupid but isn't deviation measured from the point the ball pitches ? I think that’s the turn since they have it as a separate metric. Since they also have a separate dip metric, I think drift probably is the equivalent of swing that’s seen in seamers. Having said that, I’m assuming that there can also be additional drift after the ball pitches since after pitching the base angle of the delivery will change due to turn and there can be additional deviation in the air over that adjusted angle. Also, it’s confusing since they are calling it drift force instead of simply drift. So you never know. Or may be they could be using it as the equivalent of the speed / force of any sideways drift, not necessarily the magnitude of drift Edited March 30, 2025 by MK55
Nikhil_cric Posted March 30, 2025 Posted March 30, 2025 1 minute ago, MK55 said: I think that’s the turn since they have it as a separate metric. Since they also have a separate dip metric, I think drift probably is the equivalent of swing that’s seen in seamers. Having said that, I’m assuming that there can also be additional drift after the ball pitches since after pitching the base angle of the delivery will change due to turn and there can be additional deviation in the air over that adjusted angle. Also, it’s confusing since they are calling it drift force instead of simply drift. So you never know. I think the initial release angle is projected and the actual point of pitching and the difference is used to measure lateral movement(swing/drift ) for bowlers I assume something similar is used to measure dip with release point , angle of release and release speed.
MK55 Posted March 30, 2025 Posted March 30, 2025 4 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said: I think the initial release angle is projected and the actual point of pitching and the difference is used to measure lateral movement(swing/drift ) for bowlers I assume something similar is used to measure dip with release point , angle of release and release speed. Yes so u mean drift measured at the point the ball pitches or the batsmen’s crease if it never pitches. That I agree. I thought u were saying from the point of pitching and onwards.
Nikhil_cric Posted March 30, 2025 Posted March 30, 2025 Just now, MK55 said: Yes so u mean drift measured at the point the ball pitches or the batsmen’s crease if it never pitches. That I agree. I thought u were saying from the point of pitching and onwards. Nah nah. Nobody measures drift and dip post pitching AFAIK
MK55 Posted March 30, 2025 Posted March 30, 2025 Pathirana injures Parag on the arm. Had to take some time for recovery and then gets bowled the next ball by a 146k yorker.
Vk1 Posted March 30, 2025 Posted March 30, 2025 how did the two srilankan frauds end up with RR? Sanga conspiracy? Lord 1
singhvivek141 Posted March 30, 2025 Posted March 30, 2025 1 hour ago, Nikhil_cric said: Magnus effect I think. Axar bowls more side spin and actually undercuts the ball and that's why he gets lift rather than dip Magnus effect will skid the ball no ? Rather than lift ? Flipper is courtesy of magnus effect where it skids.
Nikhil_cric Posted March 30, 2025 Posted March 30, 2025 Just now, singhvivek141 said: Magnus effect will skid the ball no ? Rather than lift ? Flipper is courtesy of magnus effect where it skids. Undercutting/backspin on the ball causes the ball to lift. Overspin to dip.
singhvivek141 Posted March 30, 2025 Posted March 30, 2025 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said: Undercutting/backspin on the ball causes the ball to lift. Overspin to dip. Are u sure ? Overspin is used in Topspin, post which it bounces more after pitching. Whenever I try undercutting the bowl..it skids. While overspin helps generating more bounce than usual. Just like when we throw pebbles in water...we undercut it hence it skids https://www.itsonlycricket.com/types-of-spin-bowling-in-cricket Edited March 30, 2025 by singhvivek141
Nikhil_cric Posted March 30, 2025 Posted March 30, 2025 2 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said: Are u sure ? Overspin is used in Topspin, post which it bounces more after pitching. Whenever I try undercutting the bowl..it skids. While overspin helps generating more bounce than usual. Just like when we throw pebbles in water...we undercut it hence it skids https://www.itsonlycricket.com/types-of-spin-bowling-in-cricket Yes but the reason it skids is because it pitches fuller than a ball with no backspin/undercut.
MK55 Posted March 30, 2025 Posted March 30, 2025 (edited) I think by drift force they probably are just measuring the speed of any drift. I don’t think that’s of any real use when looked in isolation without the magnitude of the drift. Its difficult to imagine that Axar gets more sideways drift by such a large margin compared to the other bowlers. The only thing he has distinctly is his sideways arm release. Any drift in such bowlers should be measured after normalizing for that sideways angle. Edited March 30, 2025 by MK55
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