Importance of batting order in T20

[vvvslaxman]

Today's match is a classic example of how bad batting order can mess up things.  Warner made that error both in the main innings and super over. In current form even in international if you want a guy to play the super over most would back Bairstow who hardly takes time to get going. Same way Shankar was demoted for no logical reason. Neither Abhishek nor Virat looked like big hitters or innings builders.

[Ankit_sharma03]

Its important to give everyone right role. @Global.Baba - le samajh le

 

Every batsman needs to be played in their best position thats acc to their strength and weakness but if their are many player with same skill set a side will struggle . Same problem with SRH, they have to many one tempo player .  Now shankar, virat, abhishek cant do samad role but they all are forced to since they dont have options. One grafter goes another comes , one is dropped but replaced with similar. Any side with players of similar limited skill set will have this issue. Look at RR so many inconsistent players in middle, take one 2 players from each side and exchange and ull have a better combo. 

 

Also look at players strength and weakness 

 

1. Abhishek is a timer  so such player like ball coming on bat at start , he opens for his state . Now when he comes ball is old and he needs to use more power and rotate whereas at open he needs to time new ball through gap or over circle which he does well. 

 

2. Shankar- he is limited when it comes to t20, he did decent in NZ t20 series by using PP. If u send him to bottom his classical strokeless game wnt help him or his side. 

 

U also need to use talent ay right place...

 

 

[Majestic]

On 4/26/2021 at 1:17 AM, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Its important to give everyone right role. @Global.Baba - le samajh le

 

Every batsman needs to be played in their best position thats acc to their strength and weakness but if their are many player with same skill set a side will struggle . Same problem with SRH, they have to many one tempo player .  Now shankar, virat, abhishek cant do samad role but they all are forced to since they dont have options. One grafter goes another comes , one is dropped but replaced with similar. Any side with players of similar limited skill set will have this issue. Look at RR so many inconsistent players in middle, take one 2 players from each side and exchange and ull have a better combo. 

 

Also look at players strength and weakness 

 

1. Abhishek is a timer  so such player like ball coming on bat at start , he opens for his state . Now when he comes ball is old and he needs to use more power and rotate whereas at open he needs to time new ball through gap or over circle which he does well. 

 

2. Shankar- he is limited when it comes to t20, he did decent in NZ t20 series by using PP. If u send him to bottom his classical strokeless game wnt help him or his side. 

 

U also need to use talent ay right place...

 

 

The problem here is it is stupid to sacrifice much superior players like Warner and Bairstow over Abhishek by letting Abhishek to open the batting.

 

In a same way, for Indian T20 team, it is stupid to sacrifice or restrict Pandya and Pant/SKY batting ability by sending Jadeja higher than them just because Jadeja plays better after he comes in around 12-13 overs rather than at 16-17 overs. The reason is we may end up restricting the number of overs they play and it can hurt the team.

 

Regarding Shankar, I agree. He should bat higher for SRH. Probably in top 4 after Warner, Bairstow and alongside Williamson.

Edited April 27, 2021 by Majestic

[Ankit_sharma03]

28 minutes ago, Majestic said:

The problem here is it is stupid to sacrifice much superior players like Warner and Bairstow over Abhishek by letting Abhishek to open the batting.

 

In a same way, for Indian T20 team, it is stupid to sacrifice or restrict Pandya and Pant/SKY batting ability by sending Jadeja higher than them just because Jadeja plays better after he comes in around 12-13 overs rather than at 16-17 overs. The reason is we may end up restricting the number of overs they play and it can hurt the team.

 

As if top 3 playing slow and taking time doesnt hurt team, already pandya get way lesser bowls. Jadeja if set can bat as quick

And if u notice our 3 and 5v Kohli n KL has issues against leggies in last few yrs so a leftie in middle helps them 

 

u have to think of overall team

 

28 minutes ago, Majestic said:

 

Regarding Shankar, I agree. He should bat higher for SRH. Probably in top 4 after Warner, Bairstow and alongside Williamson.

it aint stupid ...its making all players work 

Warner already bats in different gears and if u have noticed in last few yrs high pace of rabada, archer has caused him a bit of issue. He has batted at 3 before

 

Rather making 3 players work it makes all players work. SKY n pandya can bat well even in bottom but jadeja cant so make him work above , his being a left hander also keeps left right left combo going. Im all for pandya promotion but jadeja just doesnt work  at 7 when he doesnt get time 9 out of 10 times 

 

Its overall strategy 

[Adamant]

Using Abhishek and Shankar in the top order will be a foolish move. 

Just like how Washington's Sundar derails Rcb's batting every time he comes at the start, same will happen when you send Abhishek or Shankar ahead of the heavyweights. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

14 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Using Abhishek and Shankar in the top order will be a foolish move. 

Just like how Washington's Sundar derails Rcb's batting every time he comes at the start, same will happen when you send Abhishek or Shankar ahead of the heavyweights. 

derail as if SRH batting order is on track 

U knw whats foolish when u keep repeating same thing over and over agian which isnt working, try something new....doesnt mean it ll work but try coz plan A is definitely not working.

Edited April 27, 2021 by Ankit_sharma03

[Majestic]

2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

As if top 3 playing slow and taking time doesnt hurt team, already pandya get way lesser bowls. Jadeja if set can bat as quick

And if u notice our 3 and 5v Kohli n KL has issues against leggies in last few yrs so a leftie in middle helps them 

 

u have to think of overall team

 

it aint stupid ...its making all players work 

Warner already bats in different gears and if u have noticed in last few yrs high pace of rabada, archer has caused him a bit of issue. He has batted at 3 before

 

Rather making 3 players work it makes all players work. SKY n pandya can bat well even in bottom but jadeja cant so make him work above , his being a left hander also keeps left right left combo going. Im all for pandya promotion but jadeja just doesnt work  at 7 when he doesnt get time 9 out of 10 times 

 

Its overall strategy 

We will have a left hander in Pant or Kishan in the middle order.

 

In T20s, you don't want all your players to work in same match. If Jadeja plays final few overs only, it will not hurt us much. But if because of Jadeja being sent higher than Pandya or Pant, they get restricted to only 2-3 overs of bashing then that will hurt us more.

 

As an example, recall last year RCB Vs Punjab game where Sundar and Dube were sent higher than ABD( he too can slog from first ball) but because he was sent so late, he mistimed a shot early in his inning and got out at 3(4) or something. And Sundar and Dube scored run a ball in the same game. And that is what costed them the game even after good start. Sundar scored 13-14 of 12 balls and Dube scored 21(20) something. 

 

If in T20 world cup, Jadeja comes around 11th over and gets out around 17th over after scoring 25(22), then this whole theory will be backfired and talked about for a long time because

 

1. It stopped a better ball striker like Pandya to get set and then make it count big that costed his wicket. If you recall some of Pandya's  last T20I matches, he too need a few balls to get his eyes in. So, it is not easy for anyone to hit from ball 1.

 

2. If the deliveries that Jadeja faced before getting out was faced by Pandya, he would have got set and already batting at 23 ball 40 type inning with few overs still to spare.

 

Edited April 27, 2021 by Majestic

[Ankit_sharma03]

10 minutes ago, Majestic said:

We will have a left hander in Pant or Kishan in the middle order.

 

Also a solution which TM will go toward but jadeja problem still remains same

But i wanna see pant open 

 

(this also is in ODI)

 

10 minutes ago, Majestic said:

 

In T20s, you don't want all your players to work in same match. If Jadeja plays final few overs only, it will not hurt us much. But if because of Jadeja being sent higher than Pandya or Pant, they get restricted to only 2-3 overs of bashing then that will hurt us more.

 

As an example, recall last year RCB Vs Punjab game where Sundar and Dube were sent higher than ABD( he too can slog from first ball) but because he was sent so late, he mistimed a shot early in his inning and got out at 3(4) or something. And Sundar and Dube scored run a ball in the same game. And that is what costed them the game even after good start. Sundar scored 13-14 of 12 balls and Dube scored 21(20) something. 

 

If in T20 world cup, Jadeja comes around 11th over and gets out around 17th over after scoring 25(22), then this whole theory will be backfired and talked about for a long time because

 

1. It stopped a better ball striker like Pandya to get set and then make it count big that costed his wicket. If you recall some of Pandya's  last T20I matches, he too need a few balls to get his eyes in. So, it is not easy for anyone to hit from ball 1.

 

2. If the deliveries that Jadeja faced before getting out was faced by Pandya, he would have got set and already batting at 23 ball 40 type inning with few overs still to spare.

 

 

My idea of sending him at 4 is in ODI not in t20, t20 m nt sure....keep him late