zen Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 10 minutes ago, Jay said: Conditions Pitch Both vary across the season. Even in India conditions can vary depending on the season especially in North India. You have to factor these variables before comparing stats regarding impact, average and strength of opponents. Op needs to factor it in. Unfortunately, the OP has factored in nothing ... At least have some basic structure in place - even if it just averages it is fine but to claim consistency, impact, conditions, and so on and put nothing on the table is meh
Majestic Posted January 31, 2022 Author Posted January 31, 2022 25 minutes ago, zen said: Missed this gem So a guy who topped on certain parameters on cricinfo in 5 out of 10 years (50% of the decade), misses out for reasons unknown The only gem here is counting five years period in a 10 year sample and concluding based on that.
zen Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 Just now, Majestic said: The only gem here is counting five years period in a 10 year sample and concluding based on that. For e.g. 1 X, 2 Y 3 Z 4. x 5. Y 6. A 7. A 8. A 9. A 10. A A is missing Show us your work as to why rather than making dire statements after an amateurish effort
Majestic Posted January 31, 2022 Author Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, zen said: For e.g. 1 X, 2 Y 3 Z 4. x 5. Y 6. A 7. A 8. A 9. A 10. A A is missing Show us your work as to why rather than making dire statements after an amateurish effort Every single thing is taken into consideration. You cannot make any list by posting stats and methodology as ultimately they will have limitations and in several cases, it will become nothing but a useless statistic with no context. Methodologies can often be factored in such ways where people try to show what they actually want to show and not what is reality, like suggesting a Pujara over Dravid or even Laxman through some irrelevant methodology, for example. The general consensus doesn't give a **** about stats, especially if you have read books, watched games and followed cricketing career for long time. Edited January 31, 2022 by Majestic Cricspin 1
zen Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Majestic said: Every single thing is taken into consideration. You cannot make any list by posting stats and methodology as ultimately they will have limitations and in several cases, it will become nothing but a useless statistic with no context. The general consensus doesn't give a **** about stats, especially if you have read books, watched games and followed cricketing career for long time. Again show us your work Per one report a player was the best for 50% of a decade, you said he wasn't based on your criteria so why not show why (what's the big deal is showing how you arrived at your list unless yours is a random list) Edited January 31, 2022 by zen
Majestic Posted January 31, 2022 Author Posted January 31, 2022 14 minutes ago, zen said: Again show us your work Per one report a player was the best for 50% of a decade, you said he wasn't based on your criteria so why not show why (what's the big deal is showing how you arrived at your list unless yours is a random list) The job of user is to view the product and provide the observations on that. It is not their job to ask the developers to give a detailed analysis on how they developed that product. So, if you don't like this list, you need to tell me what is wrong with this list and which names don't deserve here. You cannot ask me to show the backend logic used to come to this list. Yes, if you can show or highlight the many faults with the front end product then obviously it is a point we can discuss. But what you are doing here is not providing observations on my list but straightaway asking for backend work behind it. If you do it with a more detailed observation, I would love to quote on that and put my reasonings for that.
zen Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Majestic said: The job of user is to view the product and provide the observations on that. It is not their job to ask the developers to give a detailed analysis on how they developed that product. So, if you don't like this list, you need to tell me what is wrong with this list and which names don't deserve here. You cannot ask me to show the backend logic used to come to this list. Yes, if you can show or highlight the many faults with the front end product then obviously it is a point we can discuss. But what you are doing here is not providing observations on my list but straightaway asking for backend work behind it. If you do it with a more detailed observation, I would love to quote on that and put my reasonings for that. I neither like or dislike the list ... I am neutral ... All I am asking is what methodology you used and the calculations (which you must have done to arrive at the list unless it is randomly created abusing statsguru) Based on your criteria and weightage (however basic), If someone is posting such a list, he/she would have something like below: Player A. Player B Player C Player D Player E Player F Player G .... Consistency (25%) some data Impact (25%) some data Performance versus top teams (25%) some data Conditions (25%) and so on Total Edited January 31, 2022 by zen
zen Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 @Majestic Buddy, not to put you on the spot but I thought that you would have done something before posting the list, which is why I initially asked. If you have not done, that is ok. At the end of the day, this is just a thread!!
Majestic Posted January 31, 2022 Author Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, zen said: @Majestic Buddy, not to put you on the spot but I thought that you would have done something before posting the list, which is why I initially asked. If you have not done, that is ok. At the end of the day, this is just a thread!! It is the other way round here. You do not have anything to say about the list that is created which is clearly specifying that it is taking all the factors into consideration. So, all you are doing is arguing just for the sake. Nevertheless, I don't mind it as long as my threads gets enough comments to get into multiple pages. I will repeat the same thing again. If you have something worthy to post about the OP, we can surely have a discussion or else there is no point of the discussion. You must be aware up till now that I am not among the ones who post misleading stuffs by taking only one factor into consideration and that too as per what fits the bill. If that is all you want, then you are expecting it from a wrong person. Cheers! Edited January 31, 2022 by Majestic
zen Posted January 31, 2022 Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Majestic said: It is the other way round here. You do not have anything to say about the list that is created which is clearly specifying that it is taking all the factors into consideration. So, all you are doing is arguing just for the sake. Nevertheless, I don't mind it as long as my threads gets enough comments to get into multiple pages. I will repeat the same thing again. If you have something worthy to post about the OP, we can surely have a discussion or else there is no point of the discussion. You must be aware up till now that I am not among the ones who post misleading stuffs by taking only one factor into consideration and that too as per what fits the bill. If that is all you want, then you are expecting it from a wrong person. Cheers! So you have nothing to say on your own list Thank you PS good to know you keep tracks of pages of a random thread!! Edited January 31, 2022 by zen
Majestic Posted February 2, 2022 Author Posted February 2, 2022 5 hours ago, Cricspin said: I have watched cricket from late 80's onward and here are my top bats per decade - 2010s:- Steve Smith (Oh well.. ) Virat Kohli J Root Alastair Cook Hashim Amla Warner/Williamson/ABD just miss out. 2000s:- Lot of batsmen scored a lot of runs. Ricky Ponting Rahul Dravid << Rating Dravid higher than kallis not cause he scored more runs but I like his batting more plus he scored important runs for India. Kallis Kevin Pietersen (Should have had a better Career) Sachin Tendulkar Lot of others I remember during this time including Sehwag, Hayden, Gilchrist, Sangakara, Jayawardene, Mohammad Yousuf, VVS Laxman. 1990s:- Tendulkar ( Sachin Sachin Sachin ) .. What joys of watching him bat. Steve Waugh Brian Lara Graham Gooch Aravinda De Silva 1980s:- Allan Border ( did not like him as a kid) Viv Richards Javed Miandad Gordon Greenidge D Vengsarkar /Sunil Gavaskar ( Same level for India) Overall - Sachin Tendulkar.. Just had to say it Great list. I would more or less agree with you, obviously a few cases would be there which are debatable but that is for each their own. Vijy 1
Vijy Posted February 2, 2022 Posted February 2, 2022 On 1/30/2022 at 11:11 PM, Majestic said: I have compiled the list of 5 best batsman in Test cricket by decade wise based on their performances over that given decade. 2010s:- Steve Smith Kumar Sangakkara Virat Kohli Alastair Cook Hashim Amla /AB de Villiers 2000s:- Ricky Ponting Jacques Kallis Rahul Dravid Sachin Tendulkar Kevin Pietersen 1990s:- Brian Lara Sachin Tendulkar Steve Waugh Graham Gooch Michael Slater 1980s:- Viv Richards Allan Border Javed Miandad Gordon Greenidge Sunil Gavaskar 1970s :- Sunil Gavaskar Greg Chappell Geoffrey Boycott Alvin Kalicharan Viv Richards 1960s :- Garfield Sobers KD Watler Graeme Pollock Ted Dexter Rohan Kanhai Discuss! Interesting list... Will comment more on it later, but IMO the greatest batter of 60s was not even Sobers or Pollock but Ken Barrington. Check out his away stats, as well as his overall record (both home/away) at no. 3
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