Asian pacers outside home

[Jay]

2 minutes ago, ABDfan said:

Yup thats what you bring to this forum

 

Your whole existence is worthless here. 

[Jay]

@ABDfan, shami is better than wackqar. wackqar was weak vs india and australia. he choked in many games and he has issues with regards to ball tampering etc. He is not good enough.

you have a problem with that then its fine. each to their own. i dont care tbh. i have wacqar at 6. he is vastly overrated. 

 

shami is far more complete as a bowler. stats isnt everything. otherwise philtrundler would be regarded as a greater bowler than wasim wackram

 

this is the correct order in terms of ability and fear factor. this is the list of best bowlers from asia in terms of ranking. BEST not Greatest. big difference

 

1)bumrah

2)wasim

these 2 are untouchable. 

then we can talk about the rest.

3) ummi khan would be here if he dint cheat and ball tamper etc. i will leave him there anyway although he doesnt deserve it tbh.

4) shami - way more complete than wacqar. has every tool in the toolbox

5) fazal mahmood

6) shoaib

7) wacqar

8) kapil baaaji - bit overrated this man. choked vs some top sides. although he had no support so hard to really tell how good he is. 

9) srinath - lone warrior. if he had support he would be way higher.

10) vaas

11) nawaz

 

dont care about the rest. 

 

Edited April 2, 2022 by Jay

[Vijy]

On 3/30/2022 at 11:26 AM, Trichromatic said:

View overall figures

Primary team Afghanistan or Bangladesh or India or Pakistan or Sri Lanka

Home or away away (home of opposition) or neutral venue

Type of bowler (by style) pace bowler

Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 100

Ordered by bowling average (ascending)

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Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Balls	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
JJ Bumrah (INDIA)	2018-2022	25	49	5542	2454	109	6/27	9/86	22.51	2.65	50.8	7	0
Wasim Akram (PAK)	1985-2002	63	111	14755	6356	260	7/119	11/110	24.44	2.58	56.7	17	4
Imran Khan (PAK)	1971-1990	50	83	11785	5127	199	7/40	12/165	25.76	2.61	59.2	13	3
Waqar Younis (PAK)	1990-2003	54	94	9944	5500	211	6/34	11/119	26.06	3.31	47.1	11	2
Mohammed Shami (INDIA)	2013-2022	41	76	7781	4363	147	6/56	8/107	29.68	3.36	52.9	4	0
Mohammad Amir (PAK)	2009-2019	36	67	7619	3627	119	6/44	7/64	30.47	2.85	64.0	4	0
Z Khan (INDIA)	2000-2014	54	95	11476	6516	207	7/87	10/149	31.47	3.40	55.4	8	1
I Sharma (INDIA)	2007-2021	63	111	12334	6787	207	7/74	10/108	32.78	3.30	59.5	9	1
N Kapil Dev (INDIA)	1978-1994	66	108	15529	7064	215	8/85	8/85	32.85	2.72	72.2	12	0
WPUJC Vaas (SL)	1994-2009	55	92	12500	5762	175	6/87	10/90	32.92	2.76	71.4	7	1
RAS Lakmal (SL)	2011-2022	43	78	8979	4426	133	5/47	7/80	33.27	2.95	67.5	4	0
J Srinath (INDIA)	1991-2002	35	64	9074	4322	128	6/76	8/104	33.76	2.85	70.8	5	0
Umar Gul (PAK)	2003-2013	36	70	7100	4140	111	5/123	8/148	37.29	3.49	63.9	1	0

 

View overall figures

Primary team Afghanistan or Bangladesh or India or Pakistan or Sri Lanka

Opposition team Australia or England or New Zealand or South Africa or West Indies

Home or away away (home of opposition) or neutral venue

Type of bowler (by style) pace bowler

Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 100

Ordered by bowling average (ascending)

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Showing 1 - 10 of 10

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Balls	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
JJ Bumrah (INDIA)	2018-2022	25	49	5542	2454	109	6/27	9/86	22.51	2.65	50.8	7	0
Wasim Akram (PAK)	1985-2001	41	72	10186	4462	181	7/119	11/110	24.65	2.62	56.2	13	4
Imran Khan (PAK)	1971-1990	37	62	9436	4100	157	7/40	12/165	26.11	2.60	60.1	11	3
Waqar Younis (PAK)	1990-2003	41	69	7730	4275	151	6/78	10/133	28.31	3.31	51.1	7	1
Mohammad Amir (PAK)	2009-2019	30	56	6552	3130	107	6/44	7/64	29.25	2.86	61.2	4	0
Mohammed Shami (INDIA)	2013-2022	38	70	7416	4186	137	6/56	8/107	30.55	3.38	54.1	4	0
N Kapil Dev (INDIA)	1979-1994	44	75	10713	4679	152	8/106	8/109	30.78	2.62	70.4	9	0
Z Khan (INDIA)	2001-2014	35	60	7904	4313	134	5/29	9/134	32.18	3.27	58.9	6	0
I Sharma (INDIA)	2008-2021	50	88	10285	5556	171	7/74	10/108	32.49	3.24	60.1	8	1
J Srinath (INDIA)	1991-2002	27	49	7453	3612	102	6/76	8/104	35.41	2.90	73.0	4	0

 

 

where is fazal mahmood? perhaps he didn't play enough overseas, but he was pak's first genuine great (medium pace) bowler

[deathmonger]

On 4/3/2022 at 9:55 PM, Vijy said:

where is fazal mahmood? perhaps he didn't play enough overseas, but he was pak's first genuine great (medium pace) bowler

away average over 30

[First class]

For people who know about fast bowling , Waqar was better than Wasim and the best fast bowler ever to emerge from Asia . 

[Jay]

3 hours ago, First class said:

For people who know about fast bowling , Waqar was better than Wasim and the best fast bowler ever to emerge from Asia . 

Sure and then people wake up from a coma. 

He isnt better than shami. 

Shami is easily one of the most complete bowlers in the world. 

Edited April 4, 2022 by Jay

[First class]

42 minutes ago, Jay said:

Sure and then people wake up from a coma. 

He isnt better than shami. 

Shami is easily one of the most complete bowlers in the world. 

Only if you are google-based cricket expert. But, if  you had played actual cricket as a fast bowler, you would have known what  a great bowler Waqar was, comparable only to Marshal. Shami , looks like your personal favorite is a very good bowler but certainly not in that class. 

[Jay]

1 minute ago, First class said:

Only if you are google-based cricket expert. But, if  you had played actual cricket as a fast bowler, you would have known what  a great bowler Waqar was, comparable only to Marshal. Shami , looks like your personal favorite is a very good bowler but certainly not in that class. 

I have played at grade 2 cricket level. Which is higher than probably majority of the forum. I am more than capable of discerning a players ability. I am never biased either. 

Waqar was wack vs Australia and India. I dont rate him. I never will. 

I rate shoaib above Waqar. Shoaib played with nobodies. Waqar had wasim 

[Jay]

17 minutes ago, First class said:

Only if you are google-based cricket expert. But, if  you had played actual cricket as a fast bowler, you would have known what  a great bowler Waqar was, comparable only to Marshal. Shami , looks like your personal favorite is a very good bowler but certainly not in that class. 

I have played at grade 2 cricket level. Which is higher than probably majority of the forum. I am more than capable of discerning a players ability. I am never biased either. 

Waqar was wack vs Australia and India. I dont rate him. I never will. 

I rate shoaib above Waqar. Shoaib played with nobodies. Waqar had wasim 

 

Stats isn't everything otherwise a fodder bowler like philtrundler would be the best ever. We all know he is a meme level bowler in Asia. 

Edited April 5, 2022 by Jay

[Rightarmfast]

On 4/2/2022 at 2:17 PM, Serpico said:

So how did draw % go from 45% to 19%? Surely, batting era should witness more teams managing draws? 

Are you trying to say that psychology of players hasnt changed? That teams these days dont go for the kill more than teams of the past? I dont understand what are you trying to harp upon. 

Bowlers getting punished for just so much as touching the ball, or no balls getting scrutinized, less bouncers isnt tougher rules than the rules in the past? Just looking at the stats will not give you any perspective. The kind of muck that Imran and Wasim and Waqar created, you cant equate with bowlers of today. And the fear of West Indian bowlers was because of bouncers and bodyline bowling with much lesser protective gears for batsmen. Its all different now. 

 

[putrevus]

23 hours ago, First class said:

For people who know about fast bowling , Waqar was better than Wasim and the best fast bowler ever to emerge from Asia . 

You are not wrong, Waqar at his peak had no parallels.Wasim had more variety but he could not run thru lineups like Waqar. I also agree Shami is not as good as Waqar.

Edited April 5, 2022 by putrevus

[putrevus]

3 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

Are you trying to say that psychology of players hasnt changed? That teams these days dont go for the kill more than teams of the past? I dont understand what are you trying to harp upon. 

Bowlers getting punished for just so much as touching the ball, or no balls getting scrutinized, less bouncers isnt tougher rules than the rules in the past? Just looking at the stats will not give you any perspective. The kind of muck that Imran and Wasim and Waqar created, you cant equate with bowlers of today. And the fear of West Indian bowlers was because of bouncers and bodyline bowling with much lesser protective gears for batsmen. Its all different now. 

 

The fear WI bowlers created was not just due to lack of protective equipment alone.Kenny Benjamin/Walsh I don't remember who it was that knocked the nose of Manoj Prabhakar and whole Indian batting lineup crumbled next day in 1995.Kenny Benjamin was not even in the same class as those fearsome WI bowlers.Walsh and Ambrose did well even with helmets.But they never had the same caliber supporting bowlers.

 

Those 1980s WI bowlers would make life hell on almost any wicket against any team in history.The bounce they generated along with their pace and accuracy would make any batting lineup buckle. 4 fast bowlers of highest class coming at different angles and pace will win matches in any era. It does not matter how much protection you have as a batsman you will still fear that pace and bounce.

Edited April 5, 2022 by putrevus

[Rightarmfast]

3 hours ago, putrevus said:

The fear WI bowlers created was not just due to lack of protective equipment alone.Kenny Benjamin/Walsh I don't remember who it was that knocked the nose of Manoj Prabhakar and whole Indian batting lineup crumbled next day in 1995.Kenny Benjamin was not even in the same class as those fearsome WI bowlers.Walsh and Ambrose did well even with helmets.But they never had the same caliber supporting bowlers.

 

Those 1980s WI bowlers would make life hell on almost any wicket against any team in history.The bounce they generated along with their pace and accuracy would make any batting lineup buckle. 4 fast bowlers of highest class coming at different angles and pace will win matches in any era. It does not matter how much protection you have as a batsman you will still fear that pace and bounce.

Good luck in your imaginary world!

[Jay]

5 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

Good luck in your imaginary world!

Kohli tard is a moron. They are all absolutely demented and unstable mentally. 

[Adamant]

The difference between Shami and Waqar is so humongous that people with working brains will never compare them. 

 

The reputation in cricketing circle is there for all of us to see, Waqar is hailed as an absolute legend by his contemporaries and the younger lot too. 

 

Who cares what a random nobody thinks,  especially someone whose opinions change faster than a hooker unbuttons her top. 

[Adamant]

I am quite sure even Shami will laugh at this comparison. 

 

He definitely idolizes one of Wasim/Waqar considering the fact that India has never produced a great pacer.

[Jay]

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

I am quite sure even Shami will laugh at this comparison. 

 

He definitely idolizes one of Wasim/Waqar considering the fact that India has never produced a great pacer.

No he doesn't. He would never idolize a hillbilly peasant like wackqar. 

[Jay]

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

The difference between Shami and Waqar is so humongous that people with working brains will never compare them. 

 

The reputation in cricketing circle is there for all of us to see, Waqar is hailed as an absolute legend by his contemporaries and the younger lot too. 

 

Who cares what a random nobody thinks,  especially someone whose opinions change faster than a hooker unbuttons her top. 

Really. From a kohli tard. That's rich brother. Pakistam had one great bowler and only one. Wasim. Every other fodde great had issues with ball tampering, scandal, fixing or pheexing as your masters from pork nation would say. 

 

You can give a fellatio to your countryman wacqar and maybe have a threesome with your retard brother putridevus cunt as well for all I care. He is not on shamis level. Even Allah would agree. 

 

Phiktrundler has better figures than all goat type bowlers. Doesn't make him a great bowler. Oh wait kphlitard probably puts philtrundler as a top tier bowler despite knowing fully well how despicably bad his average in Asia is. Never change. 

[Jay]

India already has the GOAT PACE ATTACK from Asia that ever existed. Ever. Parkis had one thing going for thing. One *ing thing. Now they are behind in that regard too. It must hurt. Truly. 

Pakistani fans and kohlitards ofocurse would be seething underneath. It is what it is. 

2015-now continued. Asian goat attack is India's. Now suck on some. 

[deathmonger]

3 hours ago, Adamant said:

I am quite sure even Shami will laugh at this comparison. 

 

He definitely idolizes one of Wasim/Waqar considering the fact that India has never produced a great pacer.

HAD.

 

Bumrah is the GOAT Asian Pacer.