Jos Buttler claims he would recall a batsman Mankaded even in a World Cup Final

[coffee_rules]

2 minutes ago, zen said:

It is waiting. Even against SL,  Veru asked the batsman to continue (can’t recall if Ashwin did Mankading or Ashwining there)

Ok, we live with our biases, stopping at the crease while bowling is not to deceive the non-striker, but the striker

[zen]

1 minute ago, coffee_rules said:

Ok, we live with our biases, stopping at the crease while bowling is not to deceive the non-striker, but the striker

Now you are deceiving your own self … 

[vvvslaxman]

8 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Ok, we live with our biases, stopping at the crease while bowling is not to deceive the non-striker, but the striker

 

Yup. This is well documented.

 

https://www.cricketcountry.com/articles/ashwin-s-pause-and-deliver-bowling-action-should-be-open-to-debate-21469

 

With a wonderful mix of anticipation and guile, Ashwin cramped the batsmen for room as he brought in his signature pause before delivering the ball – something that unsettled the Pakistani openers, who were off to a flyer in the first quarter of their innings.

 

 

Edited September 30, 2022 by vvvslaxman

[IndianRenegade]

1 minute ago, zen said:

You haven’t responded to anything but only posted some laws which most including the commentators are aware of and when the discussion is on a different parameter. 
 

There is a difference b/w “Mankading” and “Ashwining” 

[zen]

5 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

 

Yes, “Ashwining” 

[coffee_rules]

16 minutes ago, zen said:

Now you are deceiving your own self … 

See his deliveries here..

 

https://youtube.com/shorts/nkF-tkno6Es?feature=share

you are arguing for the sake of it

 

[zen]

Just now, coffee_rules said:

See his deliveries here..

 

https://youtube.com/shorts/nkF-tkno6Es?feature=share

you are arguing for the sake of it

 

The video talks about Ajmal’s 4th ball

 

Anyways, the video where he bowled to Buttler has been posted! The commentators, who also know how Ashwin bowls, pointed out to deliberate delay too

 

 

[coffee_rules]

1 minute ago, zen said:

The video talks about Ajmal’s 4th ball

 

Anyways, the video where he bowled to Buttler has been posted! The commentators, who also know how Ashwin bowls, pointed out to deliberate delay too

 

 

Forget what they are talking, I said look at the pause at the crease. Anyhow, @vvvslaxman has already posted a link on the subject. You be in your lala land

[zen]

Just now, coffee_rules said:

Forget what they are talking, I said look at the pause at the crease. Anyhow, @vvvslaxman has already posted a link on the subject. You be in your lala land

It may be a new discovery for such posters (no new info) but the video posted and discussion already accounts for all such things (including eye on the non striker) 

[vvvslaxman]

13 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Forget what they are talking, I said look at the pause at the crease. Anyhow, @vvvslaxman has already posted a link on the subject. You be in your lala land

 

 

Can't do anything when someone completely ignores the crime and focuses on how the crime was caught lol

[zen]

“Ashwining” is among my favorite topics (and it is good to reconnect with it):

Now, some careful examination of the footage is important. It should be noted that Jos Buttler had his bat grounded, behind the crease when he thought R Ashwin was loading up to deliver.

 

Look at a normal delivery stide for R Ashwin and then take a closer look at his initial build-up for delivery before the Mankading. It's all open to interpretation but could there be a case where Ashwin wasn't even looking to complete his delivery and waited for Buttler to err so he could return to the crease and knock the bails off?

 

 

Lots of questions raised on Ashwin by fair sports fans - Link

[zen]

Cheating at its best:

 

 

[IndianRenegade]

1 hour ago, zen said:

Cheating at its best:

 

 

Proving again and again you don't know what you are talking about, yet you keep LYING.

 

There was NO RULE/LAW that said the batter was safe if he was in when the bowlers foot landed, since 2017 they can effect a run out at ANY POINT before he releases the ball. This incident happened in 2019.

 

Also changed in 2017 was an important aspect of the law. Previously, the bowler was only permitted to run out a non-striker backing up before entering his delivery stride. “This meant that as the bowler’s back foot landed, the non-striker could move down the wicket a considerable way before the bowler actually delivered the ball. This was considered unfair,” notes the International Cricket Council Match Officials’ Almanac 2017-18 (the ICC’s interpretation of the Laws).

The new playing condition permitted the bowler to run the batsman out “at any point before he releases the ball provided he has not completed his delivery swing.”

Per Zen, MCC & ICC who are custodians of the law are wrong, the umpires that they train & appoint are wrong in interpreting the laws, but a random twitter user with a BSc in chemistry is correct.

 

Edited October 1, 2022 by IndianRenegade

[zen]

21 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

Proving again and again you don't know what you are talking about, yet you keep LYING.

 

There was NO RULE/LAW that said the batter was safe if he was in when the bowlers foot landed, since 2017 they can effect a run out at ANY POINT before he releases the ball. This incident happened in 2019.

 

Also changed in 2017 was an important aspect of the law. Previously, the bowler was only permitted to run out a non-striker backing up before entering his delivery stride. “This meant that as the bowler’s back foot landed, the non-striker could move down the wicket a considerable way before the bowler actually delivered the ball. This was considered unfair,” notes the International Cricket Council Match Officials’ Almanac 2017-18 (the ICC’s interpretation of the Laws).

The new playing condition permitted the bowler to run the batsman out “at any point before he releases the ball provided he has not completed his delivery swing.”

 

Lying?  "you are doing that brazenly" posting irrelevant stuff like a school kid. This is not India where you can get by making stories and posting irrelevant stuff. 

 

As as already been said, the issue has been discussed in media and by commentators (who understand laws). It is NOT about laws (everyone understand laws. This is about bending (misusing) the laws. In the picture below, that cheat is already positioning himself to make a run out when Buttler is in the crease (That is UNACCEPTABLE - does not matter what research you do on law, which ppl already know. You cannot use misuse law):

 

 

 

Edited October 1, 2022 by zen

[IndianRenegade]

9 minutes ago, zen said:

 

Lying?  "you are doing that brazenly" posting irrelevant stuff like a school kid. This is not India where you can get by making stories and posting irrelevant stuff. 

 

As as already been said, the issue has been discussed in media and by commentators (who understand laws). It is NOT about laws (everyone understand laws so posting necessary stuff but about bending the laws. In the picture below, that cheat is already positioning himself to make a run out when Buttler is in the crease (That is UNACCEPTABLE - does not matter what research you do on law, which ppl already know):

 

 

 

not only in India, no where in the world do commentators & media have any role in interpreting the laws of ICC. Its is the umpires who interpret the law, you can keep crying about commentators, no one cares.

 

You literally posted a tweet where the person LIED about the law, the law never states what the tweet says, so yes you don't know the law & no one cares what any commentator thinks, they are there to help the viewing experience & have zero requirement to know the law or any authority to interpret the law.

Edited October 1, 2022 by IndianRenegade

[zen]

11 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

not only in India, no where in the world do commentators & media have any role in interpreting the laws of ICC. Its is the umpires who interpret the law, you keep crying about commentators.

 

You literally posted a tweet where the person LIED about the law, the law never states what the tweet says, so yes you don't know the law & no one cares what any commentator thinks

 

The tweet posted is for the picture where the cheat is already getting himself into the position to do the run out while Buttler is still in the crease. 

 

 

 

That is not a bowling action. He did not intend to bowl (this can be observed in detail in the video already posted). 

 

 

PS

 

 

 

 

Below is how normal proceedings could be:

 

 

 

Edited October 1, 2022 by zen

[vvvslaxman]

5 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

not only in India, no where in the world do commentators & media have any role in interpreting the laws of ICC. Its is the umpires who interpret the law, you can keep crying about commentators, no one cares.

 

You literally posted a tweet where the person LIED about the law, the law never states what the tweet says, so yes you don't know the law & no one cares what any commentator thinks, they are there to help the viewing experience & have zero requirement to know the law or any authority to interpret the law.

 

If a fast bowler bowls a slow ball you can be considered a cheat. Because the batsman expected at a speed of 135 kph.  But ball came only at 120 kph lol That is the kind of argument you are fighting right now.

[IndianRenegade]

2 minutes ago, zen said:

 

The tweet posted is for the picture where the cheat is already getting himself into the position to do the run out while Buttler is still in the crease. 

 

 

 

That is not a bowling action. He did not intend to bowl (this can be observed in detail in the video already posted). 

yeah, so? none of it is against the law, ICC/MCC clearly said the onus is on the batter to remain in the ground until the ball is released so it doesn't matter where his bat was when his foot is down.

 

the law doesn't require the bowler to have any intent to actually bowl the ball.

 

the law doesn't require the bowlers action should be same as any of his other balls.

 

 

 

 

[IndianRenegade]

6 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

If a fast bowler bowls a slow ball you can be considered a cheat. Because the batsman expected at a speed of 135 kph.  But ball came only at 120 kph lol That is the kind of argument you are fighting right now.

exactly, thats what he is arguing for. The bowler can run out the non striker but he shouldn't have an intention to do it, whatever that means...

[zen]

9 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

yeah, so? none of it is against the law, ICC/MCC clearly said the onus is on the batter to remain in the ground until the ball is released so it doesn't matter where his bat was when his foot is down.

 

the law doesn't require the bowler to have any intent to actually bowl the ball.

 

the law doesn't require the bowlers action should be same as any of his other balls.

 

 

The discussion is from the PoV of normal cricket. 

 

If you try to set a batsman up by misusing the law, that is considered cheating. 

 

Again, below shows the difference b/w the normal  & the "setup".  

 

 

 

 

Edited October 1, 2022 by zen