Jos Buttler claims he would recall a batsman Mankaded even in a World Cup Final

[sage]

 

[zen]

Not unusual for captains to recall a batsman. Below Imran Khan recalled Srikant who was unhappy with an LBW decision:

 

 

 

[Adamant]

Oh man, these entitled idiots.

 

Inki aukaad dikhane ke liye Kohli captain hi sahi tha. 

 

Ghar mai ghuske lords mai haraya tha, along with proper maa behen and sledging. 

 

Already missing the golden days. 

[vvvslaxman]

Just for kicks i would want an Indian batsman getting a head start and reaching the striker end. When they run out we can claim "unfair sportsmanship"

[Sean Bradley]

I see allot of fellow Indians trying to defend Mankading as their Janam Siddha adhikar, Just because we started it doesn't mean it is in the right spirit of the game. Their are many who believe that it is not the right thing to do.

 

Losing a wicket even before the ball is bowled is too harsh a punishment. ICC should look into implementing a penalty system to a batsman trying to back up. If an umpire finds a batsman doing so, cut 5 runs from the team and the batsman individual score.

 

If the batsman cannot be out once the ball is dead, how can he be out even before the ball is bowled? 

[vvvslaxman]

56 minutes ago, Sean Bradley said:

I see allot of fellow Indians trying to defend Mankading as their Janam Siddha adhikar, Just because we started it doesn't mean it is in the right spirit of the game. Their are many who believe that it is not the right thing to do.

 

Losing a wicket even before the ball is bowled is too harsh a punishment. ICC should look into implementing a penalty system to a batsman trying to back up. If an umpire finds a batsman doing so, cut 5 runs from the team and the batsman individual score.

 

If the batsman cannot be out once the ball is dead, how can he be out even before the ball is bowled? 

 

WIthout even batting opposition will get to 300 lol As much as we try to placate both parties, that won't be feasible. Other option is cancelling any run they take. Then again you will have to waste a lot of time using a third umpire to check every time they cross the line. There area lot of practical difficulties. So this is the only option. Batsman just has to wait with his bat inside the crease until the ball is released. No different from batsmen getting stumped off a wide.  Ball is an illegal delivery. But batsmen still get out. Same way bowler deflecting the ball on to stumps at non striker end. That is also a result of backing up.

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, Sean Bradley said:

I see allot of fellow Indians trying to defend Mankading as their Janam Siddha adhikar, Just because we started it doesn't mean it is in the right spirit of the game. Their are many who believe that it is not the right thing to do.

 

Losing a wicket even before the ball is bowled is too harsh a punishment. ICC should look into implementing a penalty system to a batsman trying to back up. If an umpire finds a batsman doing so, cut 5 runs from the team and the batsman individual score.

 

If the batsman cannot be out once the ball is dead, how can he be out even before the ball is bowled? 

Ball is not dead once the bowler lands on the crease.

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, Sean Bradley said:

I see allot of fellow Indians trying to defend Mankading as their Janam Siddha adhikar, Just because we started it doesn't mean it is in the right spirit of the game. Their are many who believe that it is not the right thing to do.

 

Losing a wicket even before the ball is bowled is too harsh a punishment. ICC should look into implementing a penalty system to a batsman trying to back up. If an umpire finds a batsman doing so, cut 5 runs from the team and the batsman individual score.

 

If the batsman cannot be out once the ball is dead, how can he be out even before the ball is bowled? 

Ball is not dead once the bowler lands on the crease.

[Need4Speed]

Peter Della Penna article states Dean Did that 70 times before Deepti ran her out..how many unfair runs she had made by then

https://wap.business-standard.com/article-amp/sports/deepti-sharma-was-right-by-law-and-by-spirit-peter-della-penna-shows-why-122092600790_1.html

Edited October 2, 2022 by Need4Speed

[Need4Speed]

I wud give warning at first time..2nd time seedhe out..

[Sean Bradley]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

WIthout even batting opposition will get to 300 lol As much as we try to placate both parties, that won't be feasible. Other option is cancelling any run they take. Then again you will have to waste a lot of time using a third umpire to check every time they cross the line. There area lot of practical difficulties. So this is the only option. Batsman just has to wait with his bat inside the crease until the ball is released. No different from batsmen getting stumped off a wide.  Ball is an illegal delivery. But batsmen still get out. Same way bowler deflecting the ball on to stumps at non striker end. That is also a result of backing up.

 

No it's not the only option. Bowler can stop at the delivery stride and appeal for backing up, if the non-striker is found outside the crease, a straight penalty of 5 runs to both batsman and the Team. This will only make the game more interesting, and allot of bowling sides can use this as a strategic weapon.

Imagine a situation where a batting team needs 1 run of 1 ball, if the non striker is caught backing up, the chasing team would suddenly need 6 runs of last delivery. If the non stiker is caught backing up again, the chasing team loses the match.

 

29 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Ball is not dead once the bowler lands on the crease.

Well could be, but then I don't think this law in itself (if it is a law) is in the fair spirit of the game. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 30, 2022 by Sean Bradley

[raki05]

7 hours ago, Adamant said:

Oh man, these entitled idiots.

 

Inki aukaad dikhane ke liye Kohli captain hi sahi tha. 

 

Ghar mai ghuske lords mai haraya tha, along with proper maa behen and sledging. 

 

Already missing the golden days. 

Aur uskey baad 4-1 se haar ke ghar wapas aa gaya tha.kuch bhi.

[vvvslaxman]

9 minutes ago, Sean Bradley said:

 

No it's not the only option. Bowler can stop at the delivery stride and appeal for backing up, if the non-striker is found outside the crease, a straight penalty of 5 runs to both batsman and the Team. This will only make the game more interesting, and allot of bowling sides can use this as a strategic weapon.

Imagine a situation where a batting team needs 1 run of 1 ball, if the non striker is caught backing up, the chasing team would suddenly need 6 runs of last delivery. If the non stiker is caught backing up again, the chasing team loses the match.

 

Well could be, but then I don't think this law in itself (if it is a law) is in the fair spirit of the game. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bowlers can strategically use this as a weapon to earn 5 runs whenever they want. Even then "spirit of the game" argument will surface.  If you want to stop people from backing up best is to let bowlers run them out a few times and not bring up the "spirit of the game" argument. She repeatedly had stolen few inches every over. Law is the same for everyone. They can very well run Indians out this way. No issues. When everyone starts doing this then the argument of "spirit of the game" won't surface. More importantly batsmen will think twice before leaving the crease to have a head start. 

 

I agree with Alex Hales here

 

 

[rkt.india]

14 minutes ago, Sean Bradley said:

 

No it's not the only option. Bowler can stop at the delivery stride and appeal for backing up, if the non-striker is found outside the crease, a straight penalty of 5 runs to both batsman and the Team. This will only make the game more interesting, and allot of bowling sides can use this as a strategic weapon.

Imagine a situation where a batting team needs 1 run of 1 ball, if the non striker is caught backing up, the chasing team would suddenly need 6 runs of last delivery. If the non stiker is caught backing up again, the chasing team loses the match.

 

Well could be, but then I don't think this law in itself (if it is a law) is in the fair spirit of the game. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In fact, Nonstriker being out of the crease before bowler released the ball is not in spirit of the game. You are trying to gain advantage and cheat. Running nonstriker out is perfectly within the permitted laws. Like when a batsman bats out of the crease and wk can stump him out, it is perfectly fine. Same way the bowler running out a nonstriker walking out of the crease before bowler bowls is also perfectly fine. Nonstriker is trying to take a run and got run out. Nothing wrong in that.

[Gollum]

Could have asked his mate Morgan to show spirit here

[Gollum]

ICFers aghast over mankading dismissal presumably don't follow other sports as keenly, so don't know full well how rules are enforced, how sports competitions work etc. Can't blame them, because this 'spirit of cricket' thing is tosh, has corrupted many people's minds into thinking that is how professional sports function. 

 

Mankading may be harsh but so is attempting to steal singles by non-striker. How difficult is it to keep the bat behind crease before ball leaves bowler's hand? If non-striker wants to build momentum why not start walking from a few steps behind? 

 

There is something called touch move rule in chess. If you touch a piece by mistake without saying out audibly J'adoube, you have to move that piece. Doesn't matter if you do by mistake (accidently brushing it while going for another piece), or are simply adjusting a piece. Maybe moving that piece anywhere automatically leads to losing position (zugzwang), doesn't matter, rules are rules, you can move only that piece on the board. 1-2 players do this spirit bakwas there (generally lower rated ones who want their 2 minutes fame) but in elite competition yet to see a player grant mercy. History of world championships have been altered because of this rule.

 

One of the biggest touch move incidents in recent times, 2016 Candidates in Moscow to decide Carlsen's challenger. Levon Aronian, the guy who protested Nakamura's touch move is universally regarded as the nicest guy on chess tour, many examples of his sportsmanship, but rules are rules. This incident mentally shattered Naka, crushed his WC dreams forever.

 

Another harsh but fair imposition of rulebook (player can't touch net when ball is in play, not even his shirt can graze over the net and it is umpire's call as to when ball is in play) which probably had the biggest impact on tennis history (and GOAT battle), this (2013 Roland-Garros SF) in my view the greatest tennis match of all time with the highest level played by any two competitors. Rules are rules. Nadal could have let it be, but bad luck Nole. I say this as a Nole fan and Nadal hater, umpire made the correct decision in the end. Everybody on this planet knows Nadal was never reaching the ball, this even before Nole touched the net, the Spaniard had been comprehensively beaten in that rally....but was the point technically over? That one can say only when the ball bounces twice, Nadal can always claim that he could have made a short sprint at 300 kph and somehow reached that ball before second bounce!!!!!!

 

Cricket seriously needs to grow up. Selective application of spirit blah blah must end, make all rules so watertight that there is no room for interpretation. 

Edited September 30, 2022 by Gollum

[Stan AF]

I remember that Djokovic net moment. Rules are rules.

[rkt.india]

2 hours ago, Gollum said:

ICFers aghast over mankading dismissal presumably don't follow other sports as keenly, so don't know full well how rules are enforced, how sports competitions work etc. Can't blame them, because this 'spirit of cricket' thing is tosh, has corrupted many people's minds into thinking that is how professional sports function. 

 

Mankading may be harsh but so is attempting to steal singles by non-striker. How difficult is it to keep the bat behind crease before ball leaves bowler's hand? If non-striker wants to build momentum why not start walking from a few steps behind? 

 

There is something called touch move rule in chess. If you touch a piece by mistake without saying out audibly J'adoube, you have to move that piece. Doesn't matter if you do by mistake (accidently brushing it while going for another piece), or are simply adjusting a piece. Maybe moving that piece anywhere automatically leads to losing position (zugzwang), doesn't matter, rules are rules, you can move only that piece on the board. 1-2 players do this spirit bakwas there (generally lower rated ones who want their 2 minutes fame) but in elite competition yet to see a player grant mercy. History of world championships have been altered because of this rule.

 

One of the biggest touch move incidents in recent times, 2016 Candidates in Moscow to decide Carlsen's challenger. Levon Aronian, the guy who protested Nakamura's touch move is universally regarded as the nicest guy on chess tour, many examples of his sportsmanship, but rules are rules. This incident mentally shattered Naka, crushed his WC dreams forever.

 

Another harsh but fair imposition of rulebook (player can't touch net when ball is in play, not even his shirt can graze over the net and it is umpire's call as to when ball is in play) which probably had the biggest impact on tennis history (and GOAT battle), this (2013 Roland-Garros SF) in my view the greatest tennis match of all time with the highest level played by any two competitors. Rules are rules. Nadal could have let it be, but bad luck Nole. I say this as a Nole fan and Nadal hater, umpire made the correct decision in the end. Everybody on this planet knows Nadal was never reaching the ball, this even before Nole touched the net, the Spaniard had been comprehensively beaten in that rally....but was the point technically over? That one can say only when the ball bounces twice, Nadal can always claim that he could have made a short sprint at 300 kph and somehow reached that ball before second bounce!!!!!!

 

Cricket seriously needs to grow up. Selective application of spirit blah blah must end, make all rules so watertight that there is no room for interpretation. 

Spirit of cricket is like Ganga-Jamuni tehjeeb aur kashmiriyat

[vivek04]

I want India to exploit every rules forgetting about sportsmanspirit bla bla.. to win games no matter what. Enough of this saint and good boy showing.

[BacktoCricaddict]

8 hours ago, Sean Bradley said:

I see allot of fellow Indians trying to defend Mankading as their Janam Siddha adhikar, Just because we started it doesn't mean it is in the right spirit of the game. Their are many who believe that it is not the right thing to do.

 

Losing a wicket even before the ball is bowled is too harsh a punishment. ICC should look into implementing a penalty system to a batsman trying to back up. If an umpire finds a batsman doing so, cut 5 runs from the team and the batsman individual score.

 

If the batsman cannot be out once the ball is dead, how can he be out even before the ball is bowled? 

 

It is a good argument that the current penalty is too harsh, and perhaps could be lighter ( e,g., - 10 runs plus match fee penalty etc.). But, If that is the case, there should be a strong argument presented to the ICC rules committee (or whoever) to amend the rule.  And if they change it, great.  But, until then, everyone should shut up, sit down and just play by the damn rules.

 

This is not about "just 'coz and Indian did it."  Perhaps it is because it is English(wo)men who inexplicably keep slipping out of their crease.