The Ashes 2023

[eulbninem]

1 minute ago, wazza said:

We are badly missing pant bumrah sundar.

 

Oldies don't want to leave. India won't sack them. There is jaiswal, harshit Sen waiting in the wings forever. 

Pant, Bumrah definitely. Bumrah is an amazing player. Spinners may get a lot of credit for wickets on those pitches but Bumrah performed everywhere. His SENA stats are better than Akram's. 

Pant was just a freak. How quickly he could turn the match...

Don't know how much more Sundar can or could've done in the recent matches. Need to get rid of at least 3 of the top order batsmen. Team will go into transition soon though. Something's gotta give.

[Lord]

Labu struggling

[vvvslaxman]

7 minutes ago, wazza said:

We are badly missing pant bumrah sundar.

 

Oldies don't want to leave. India won't sack them. There is jaiswal, harshit Sen waiting in the wings forever.

 

H2h both india and aus at their absolute best will be neck and neck if india picks their best side.  

 

Well they don't have someone to give them endless rope

 

 

[putrevus]

That was great leave by Labu. Archer was lot more hositile in last series before his injury.It is pity for world cricket to have lost him due to injuries.

[wazza]

7 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Yes he is not true great.Like you said Umesh should have ended up with 300 plus wickets easily as he had everything. It is great tragedy for India to have such a fine talent to have never realised his true potential.

Somehow umesh is Malcolm marshal with sg ball lol. I don't know what his issue is. He struggled with other types of balls. Weird case. Wasted talent.

[wazza]

3 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Well they don't have someone to give them endless rope

 

 

Yes sadly. But who are they referring to? Dhoni? 

Yea young guns of ours would never get such chances. Racist India. 

[Lord]

14 minutes ago, putrevus said:

No jadeja has done well as support bowler on occasions when fast bowlers did their jobs. Jadeja was playing for one reason his batting skills as Indian batting was awful otherwise Ashwin is fat better spinner than Jadeja.

 

Stokes gets injured becuase it is hard for fast bowlers unlike spinners.Even if he does not bowl a single over from now onwards Stokes will end up as better allrounder.

 

Stokes is a far superior batsman than Jadeja ever was at any point in his career.,

 

Jadeja to his credit has improved his batting but he is no where near Stokes.

 

spinner will obviously play supporting role in SENA. Even Ashwin did that when he played. Ashwin has similar record in SENA or slightly better only.

 

You can't be allrounder without bowling enough, let alone great one. He;s a good batsman,great at home even.

 

Jadeja improved his batting, Stokes never improved his bowling.Got worse infact.

[wazza]

6 minutes ago, eulbninem said:

Pant, Bumrah definitely. Bumrah is an amazing player. Spinners may get a lot of credit for wickets on those pitches but Bumrah performed everywhere. His SENA stats are better than Akram's. 

Pant was just a freak. How quickly he could turn the match...

Don't know how much more Sundar can or could've done in the recent matches. Need to get rid of at least 3 of the top order batsmen. Team will go into transition soon though. Something's gotta give.

Sundar is a very talented batsman my dude. Special talent. 

He can slot in right into our system...

Also jaiswal, harshit rana and prasidh. 

We will be very dangerous if we pick our best team. We will take years to do it sadly. 

 

 

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

That was great leave by Labu. Archer was lot more hositile in last series before his injury.It is pity for world cricket to have lost him due to injuries.

Badly captained. Was overbowled in NZ and never returned.

[Lord]

14 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Meanwhile WI is completing their humiliating exit with a thumping loss against Srilanka

 

they are not full strength tbf. Lot of politics involved

[putrevus]

1 minute ago, wazza said:

Somehow umesh is Malcolm marshal with sg ball lol. I don't know what his issue is. He struggled with other types of balls. Weird case. Wasted talent.

His issues always has been control.He leaks too many boundaries.It works in India as spinners can control major work load.

 

Away from India he has no protection and captain cannot keep bowling him as he gives away too many runs.He has been injury free for most part but what is the use.

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, wazza said:

Somehow umesh is Malcolm marshal with sg ball lol. I don't know what his issue is. He struggled with other types of balls. Weird case. Wasted talent.

 

Not just SG ball. Aberrated surfaces. In swinging conditions he is a sitting duck. Even Stuart binny outbowled him.

[putrevus]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

Badly captained. Was overbowled in NZ and never returned.

Bhuvi was never the same test bowler after Dhoni abused him in 2014.Captaincy plays a very important role in fast bowler's career.

[Lord]

Just now, putrevus said:

His issues always has been control.He leaks too many boundaries.It works in India as spinners can control major work load.

 

Away from India he has no protection and captain cannot keep bowling him as he gives away too many runs.He has been injury free for most part but what is the use.

In India he doesnt give away runs too. His line and length is suited for those pitches and he's unable to adjust.

[khadekhademaaro]

warner watching the pitch through binoculars. that is his future

Edited July 7, 2023 by khadekhademaaro

[wazza]

3 minutes ago, putrevus said:

His issues always has been control.He leaks too many boundaries.It works in India as spinners can control major work load.

 

Away from India he has no protection and captain cannot keep bowling him as he gives away too many runs.He has been injury free for most part but what is the use.

Yea agreed. Wasted potential. Had all the tools. Very strong guy. Physically powerful. Fast. Had some good skills. But never had consistency. Could never bowl comsistent lengths like Cummins. Too wayward. 

[Lord]

1 minute ago, putrevus said:

Bhuvi was never the same test bowler after Dhoni abused him in 2014.Captaincy plays a very important role in fast bowler's career.

 

Dhoni was pathetic with fast bowlers.

[putrevus]

14 minutes ago, Lord said:

In India he doesnt give away runs too. His line and length is suited for those pitches and he's unable to adjust.

He does not bowl too many overs in India.If he had to bowl 20 overs in India then he would leak runs there too.

Edited July 7, 2023 by putrevus

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, wazza said:

Yea agreed. Wasted potential. Had all the tools. Very strong guy. Physically powerful. Fast. Had some good skills. But never had consistency. Could never bowl comsistent lengths like Cummins. Too wayward. 

 

Ability to set up a batsman sets class bowlers apart from average bowlers. Umesh never learnt that. This bozo has been playing Tests since 2011. Bumrah in such a short period learnt how to set up players.

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Lord said:

 

Dhoni was pathetic with fast bowlers.

 

Also poor with spinners overseas. He always would try to protect runs by blocking one side. He basically instructed bowlers how to bowl. it works in one dayers. Not in Tests. In Tests bowlers have to express themselves.