Pakistan-Respect!!

[Sharjah-Harjah]

2 hours ago, sandeep said:

They flirted with Netherlands too, just that NED failed to convert key moments and lost.  

 

Reality is that PAK's flaws have been gapingly exposed.  They can get away with wayward bowling in T20, but lack of quality is naked under the spotlight of longer format.  With ball and bat.  And then the mental fragility shows in the fielding as well.

this argument that this is t20 bowling will not stand scrutiny.

If you ball half trackers, full tosses or give width to batters in T20 formats, you will be dispatched even more mercilessly in T20 than other formats. 
Shadab was one of the most accurate spinners in 2022 WC. Pitch maps showed that 90% of his deliveries were hitting top of off.

My take is that they’ve bowled poorly and look woefully out of form, possibly hiding injuries 

[Frustrated]

1 minute ago, Sharjah-Harjah said:

 

Ok. Popularity of tests is very high. ODIs remain popular. 
And Pakistani fans are using it as coping mechanisms. Worldwide experts are not concerned that T20 will decimate other formats.

The problem with hate is that it introduces emotional bias and impedes one’s ability to make an objective and sound argument. 

 

LOL.   What emotional bias and sound argument u are referring to?  Go through my post again.  I merely stated the fact that ODI WC2027, 2031 and 2035 are bound to happen. Its officially confirmed.  Just like Pak getting humiliated one WC after another is confirmed(unofficially).   T20 format taking over ODI is a possibility but it is not happening anytime soon.  What happens after 20 or 30 yrs is a different debate. 

[deathmonger]

33 minutes ago, Sharjah-Harjah said:

this argument that this is t20 bowling will not stand scrutiny.

If you ball half trackers, full tosses or give width to batters in T20 formats, you will be dispatched even more mercilessly in T20 than other formats. 
Shadab was one of the most accurate spinners in 2022 WC. Pitch maps showed that 90% of his deliveries were hitting top of off.

My take is that they’ve bowled poorly and look woefully out of form, possibly hiding injuries 

Difference in bowling 4 overs and 10 overs. Shadab has never been a good ODI bowler nor Rauf.

[neel roy]

29 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

fter 20 or 30 yrs is a different debate. 

ifti chacha will be the chairman of pak selection committee then.. so something good will happen

[Norman]

1 hour ago, Sharjah-Harjah said:

 

Ok. Popularity of tests is very high. ODIs remain popular. 
And Pakistani fans are using it as coping mechanisms. Worldwide experts are not concerned that T20 will decimate other formats.

The problem with hate is that it introduces emotional bias and impedes one’s ability to make an objective and sound argument. 

 

 

It won't. Paxtanis want it so badly to happen because their team is horse shite in the longer formats but it is what it is. ODI world cup has enormous history, legacy and importance attached to it...no amount of winning mickey mouse T20 WCs will make up for winning the world cup for your country. 

 

Outside of subcontinent, T20 WCs aren't even counted as "major Trophies" lol. 

[R!TTER]

1 minute ago, Norman said:

no amount of winning mickey mouse T20 WCs will make up for winning the world cup for your country. 

 

That doesn't matter in the end to the bean counters, ultimately it's the economics that will win even here!

[Sharjah-Harjah]

1 minute ago, R!TTER said:

That doesn't matter in the end to the bean counters, ultimately it's the economics that will win even here!

Everything is dictated by economics at the end 

[Sharjah-Harjah]

4 minutes ago, Norman said:

 

It won't. Paxtanis want it so badly to happen because their team is horse shite in the longer formats but it is what it is. ODI world cup has enormous history, legacy and importance attached to it...no amount of winning mickey mouse T20 WCs will make up for winning the world cup for your country. 

 

Outside of subcontinent, T20 WCs aren't even counted as "major Trophies" lol. 

On recent perf, you may think Pak is bad in ODIs but I don’t think so. I continue to think it’s a top tier team that is out of form.

Test cricket we are weak and rebuilding. 

[Mariyam]

1 minute ago, Sharjah-Harjah said:

Everything is dictated by economics at the end 

In the long run, we are all dead.

[Sharjah-Harjah]

40 minutes ago, deathmonger said:

Difference in bowling 4 overs and 10 overs. Shadab has never been a good ODI bowler nor Rauf.

Yes both haven’t been great ODI bowlers but they were at least average/above average.

What shadab is bowling right now is trash not “t20 bowling”

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, Sharjah-Harjah said:

 

Ok. Popularity of tests is very high. ODIs remain popular. 
And Pakistani fans are using it as coping mechanisms. Worldwide experts are not concerned that T20 will decimate other formats.

The problem with hate is that it introduces emotional bias and impedes one’s ability to make an objective and sound argument. 

 

There is nothing of hate here...teams which struggle in one format obviously will have neglect that.

 

Australia, India, SA, England & NZ have strong Test teams...India is competitive now in SENA countries and that brings interest in cricket. Bumrah & Shami hitting 143-146 even on the last session of the day and reversing the ball is a delight to watch.

 

T20's rely more on individual brilliance or on brilliance of few players, hence even the weaker teams are competitive. It takes a lot for the teams to compete in Tests, you can't hide weak player over the course of 5 days. 

 

 

[Sharjah-Harjah]

2 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

There is nothing of hate here...teams which struggle in one format obviously will have neglect that.

 

Australia, India, SA, England & NZ have strong Test teams...India is competitive now in SENA countries and that brings interest in cricket. Bumrah & Shami hitting 143-146 even on the last session of the day and reversing the ball is a delight to watch.

 

T20's rely more on individual brilliance or on brilliance of few players, hence even the weaker teams are competitive. It takes a lot for the teams to compete in Tests, you can't hide weak player over the course of 5 days. 

 

 

The interest in test cricket is declining alarmingly every year. Outside of big 3 (India, Eng, and Aus), other teams don’t have the resources to invest in test cricket as broadcasters are not interested to pay for empty stands. 

Nobody cares what format is harder/weaker. Sport is about entertainment and always will be. 

Also, it’s a myth that T20 requires less skills. It simply requires different skill sets. Not all test players are T20 players. If it were a lottery, then 2 teams Mumbai Indians and CSK wouldn’t have dominated the IPL. Clearly talent, leadership and team combinations play a role.  

[deathmonger]

6 minutes ago, Sharjah-Harjah said:

The interest in test cricket is declining alarmingly every year. Outside of big 3 (India, Eng, and Aus), other teams don’t have the resources to invest in test cricket as broadcasters are not interested to pay for empty stands. 

Nobody cares what format is harder/weaker. Sport is about entertainment and always will be. 

Also, it’s a myth that T20 requires less skills. It simply requires different skill sets. Not all test players are T20 players. If it were a lottery, then 2 teams Mumbai Indians and CSK wouldn’t have dominated the IPL. Clearly talent, leadership and team combinations play a role.  

 

We will have 6-7 month IPL starting from October-May with a 1 month break in Dec-Jan where Ind will play home tests. 

 

Jun-Sept will be bilateral season where Ind plays away tests and ODIs/T20s maybe fielding two teams at a time simultaneously touring two different places.

 

ODI WC/T20 WC will be a 4 year affair, with every other WC being held in India.

[Sharjah-Harjah]

13 minutes ago, deathmonger said:

 

We will have 6-7 month IPL starting from October-May with a 1 month break in Dec-Jan where Ind will play home tests. 

 

Jun-Sept will be bilateral season where Ind plays away tests and ODIs/T20s maybe fielding two teams at a time simultaneously touring two different places.

 

ODI WC/T20 WC will be a 4 year affair, with every other WC being held in India.

Yes, I agree. The landscape is changing so quickly. T20 WC will still be a 2 year thing. 

I personally enjoy T20s as long as there are quality players but it’s become a joke nowadays with so many leagues. 
I didnt enjoy ODIs. Lots of boring 1 sided games and it feels like the game is never ending. 
I hope test cricket survives because it’s fun to watch it. 

Edited October 24, 2023 by Sharjah-Harjah

[Sharjah-Harjah]

Lot of players taking early retirements. QDK, Amir, Boult. Players outside big 3 will be hard to retain with weaker financial contracts  

[singhvivek141]

6 hours ago, Sharjah-Harjah said:

The interest in test cricket is declining alarmingly every year. Outside of big 3 (India, Eng, and Aus), other teams don’t have the resources to invest in test cricket as broadcasters are not interested to pay for empty stands. 

Nobody cares what format is harder/weaker. Sport is about entertainment and always will be. 

Also, it’s a myth that T20 requires less skills. It simply requires different skill sets. Not all test players are T20 players. If it were a lottery, then 2 teams Mumbai Indians and CSK wouldn’t have dominated the IPL. Clearly talent, leadership and team combinations play a role.  

CSK & MI operate very differently.

 

CSK's philosophy is to pack the team with as many spinning allrounders as they can, considering the fact half of the matches which they play in on Chennai ground & which are slow and turners.

For MI, their strength lies in their batting firepower & the brilliance of Bumrah with ball..suits them as Wankhede is known for big sixes. The moment Bumrah was unavailable, they struggled.

 

Again, as I said in T20 teams can manage with few skilled players...in T20 a team which is at 17-4 in 6 overs can almost never recover....so even a mediocre player can quickly complete his set of 3-4 overs and go away. Not in Tests and to some extent ODI's where you have to be on your toes 24*7...else even a Gillespie can score 201 or even an ABD can bat for 6 hours only to score 49* and defend the match.

 

Also there are examples of a Test player doing well in T20's but less examples vice versa.

Edited October 25, 2023 by singhvivek141

[Sharjah-Harjah]

On 10/24/2023 at 8:35 PM, singhvivek141 said:

CSK & MI operate very differently.

 

CSK's philosophy is to pack the team with as many spinning allrounders as they can, considering the fact half of the matches which they play in on Chennai ground & which are slow and turners.

For MI, their strength lies in their batting firepower & the brilliance of Bumrah with ball..suits them as Wankhede is known for big sixes. The moment Bumrah was unavailable, they struggled.

 

Again, as I said in T20 teams can manage with few skilled players...in T20 a team which is at 17-4 in 6 overs can almost never recover....so even a mediocre player can quickly complete his set of 3-4 overs and go away. Not in Tests and to some extent ODI's where you have to be on your toes 24*7...else even a Gillespie can score 201 or even an ABD can bat for 6 hours only to score 49* and defend the match.

 

Also there are examples of a Test player doing well in T20's but less examples vice versa.

That Test cricket is “harder” than T20 cricket is a myth sold by cricket pundits who are usually 50+ and desperately clinging on to their own laurels. 

 

Success in T20 often depends on specialized skills. Just because you’re great at test/FC cricket is no guarantee that you will even be an OK t20 batter, let alone a great one. Pujara, Younus Khan, Rahane are just some of the examples from Indo-Pak who have done well in test cricket but have no place in T20s.

To do well in T20s as a batter or a bowler, you need to have a different technique and skills including a variety of stroke play and power game. Fast bowling and clever change ups are rewarded more than consistent channel bowling. 
Again, different format, different challenges. The best team will always win over the course of a series. Dumb to say it’s lottery

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, Sharjah-Harjah said:

That Test cricket is “harder” than T20 cricket is a myth sold by cricket pundits who are usually 50+ and desperately clinging on to their own laurels. 

 

Success in T20 often depends on specialized skills. Just because you’re great at test/FC cricket is no guarantee that you will even be an OK t20 batter, let alone a great one. Pujara, Younus Khan, Rahane are just some of the examples from Indo-Pak who have done well in test cricket but have no place in T20s.

To do well in T20s as a batter or a bowler, you need to have a different technique and skills including a variety of stroke play and power game. Fast bowling and clever change ups are rewarded more than consistent channel bowling. 
Again, different format, different challenges. The best team will always win over the course of a series. Dumb to say it’s lottery

I will give you some more examples

Virat Kohli, Gautam Gambhir, Virender Sehwag...they all have good stats in Tests & were a good T20 player.

Outside of India, Chris Gayle is a biggest example, Matthew Hayden another one. Greame Smith another.

Even Rahane had a version 2.0 where he is attacking and aggressive in the IPL2023.

 

While Livingstone, SKY, Yuvraj, Buttler who all are exceptional T20 strikers can't sustain in Tests.

 

Anyway, my point is same, you can camouflage a weak player in T20's..but it's tough to do that in Tests. Playing 5 days is rigorous test of a player's technique and mental strength as conditions vary throughout the days.

While T20's are prone to get impacted by conditions very easily. So it is indeed a lottery in comparison to Tests.

[User30786]

ghanta respect lol, flat track bullies.

Thoda sa swing/spin hoga toh aa jate hain apni aukat pe.

 

[zubinpepsi]

Wow 

After the first innings break,  i thought Pakistan will be all out for 160 chasing 402 like other matches in this WC. Now they are even ahead of D/L score.. 

 This pak team is made of different fiber. They refuse to go down. This is the die hard spirit we all know of Pakistan.. 

The cornered tigers are truly coming back up… 

Respect!