Is this best overseas performing Indian team?

[AKane]

Since the advent of T20 and the money made in that, the importance of the national team and playing test cricket has declined for some teams. One is of course the WI which is not a national side but a combo of nations in the caribbean. Another is SA where we are not well aware but there are issues under the current in the country and all is not well. First they were ditching the country to play Kolpak and even now I don't think many players care about the country. History of cricket and tradition mean nothing to SA. Something else is on their minds.

 

Pak is a basket case of things that everyone knows.

 

The only countries serious about test cricket are Aus, Eng, India and NZ. SL for example Malinga was just not interested in test cricket - he was happy with IPL money. Bangles are Bangles.

[deathmonger]

Big issue is Rahane-Pujara-Kohli trio peak and Bumrah-Shami-Ishant-Siraj peak not coinciding.

 

2018 SA Bumrah had just debuted.

2018 Eng didn't play first two matches.

2018 Aus we won and that was when the pace trio peaked.

 

During this time Kohli was god and Pujara and Rahane weren't half bad (The middle order peak was basically 2015-2019).

 

2020-21 bowling was great but middle order was getting on in years. Even then they were okay enough to have contributions in 2021 BGT and 2021 Eng tour. By 2022 SA tour, Rahane and Pujara had completely lost it and we lost the last two tests. If 2018 Rahane and Pujara were present could have won 1 of the 2 as well as drawn the 2022 one off Eng test.

 

Now Bumrah is at a peak, Siraj is decentish but not Ishant 2018 level, Shami is good when he plays but the other pacers are not that good. Gill, Jaiswal are too young and Iyer has issues. Kohli and Rohit have been good but even they are getting on in years. Rahul is good.

 

2018-19 Aus was the peak of this Ind team. Even without Warner/Smith, Ind hit 443 dec and 600 dec in MCG/SCG. Don't know when was the last time the Aussie quartet was smacked around so much at home.

 

 

[AKane]

28 minutes ago, deathmonger said:

2018-19 Aus was the peak of this Ind team. Even without Warner/Smith, Ind hit 443 dec and 600 dec in MCG/SCG. Don't know when was the last time the Aussie quartet was smacked around so much at home.

Not since the terrible Aus teams of 1980s..... but I have seen non-Indians namely WIndians, Aussies and of course Paks excuse that Aus team as totally demoralized by sandpapergate.

Edited January 4 by AKane

[deathmonger]

9 minutes ago, AKane said:

Not since the terrible Aus teams of 1980s..... but I have seen non-Indians namely WIndians, Aussies and of course Paks excuse that Aus team as totally demoralized by sandpapergate.

That same team kicked SL ass a few days later.

 

It is the same bowling attack which is playing now. It is an ATG bowling attack.

 

Even in 20-21 apart from the 36 Indian batting did well there.

[Vijy]

48 minutes ago, deathmonger said:

Big issue is Rahane-Pujara-Kohli trio peak and Bumrah-Shami-Ishant-Siraj peak not coinciding.

 

2018 SA Bumrah had just debuted.

2018 Eng didn't play first two matches.

2018 Aus we won and that was when the pace trio peaked.

 

During this time Kohli was god and Pujara and Rahane weren't half bad (The middle order peak was basically 2015-2019).

 

2020-21 bowling was great but middle order was getting on in years. Even then they were okay enough to have contributions in 2021 BGT and 2021 Eng tour. By 2022 SA tour, Rahane and Pujara had completely lost it and we lost the last two tests. If 2018 Rahane and Pujara were present could have won 1 of the 2 as well as drawn the 2022 one off Eng test.

 

Now Bumrah is at a peak, Siraj is decentish but not Ishant 2018 level, Shami is good when he plays but the other pacers are not that good. Gill, Jaiswal are too young and Iyer has issues. Kohli and Rohit have been good but even they are getting on in years. Rahul is good.

 

2018-19 Aus was the peak of this Ind team. Even without Warner/Smith, Ind hit 443 dec and 600 dec in MCG/SCG. Don't know when was the last time the Aussie quartet was smacked around so much at home.

 

 

yeah, it was really unfortunate that batting and bowling peaks didn't coincide.

[harpicP]

5 hours ago, R!TTER said:

Much much what? Did you see SS' avg in India this time around?  Labu is a joke as well as Marsh/Carey on anything except flat decks!

In australia

[Number]

7 hours ago, Lord said:

 

They beat Joe Root's England but lost to Stokes' England

2018. These besharams got arsewhooped by that England team, which couldn't even beat Pakistan  just a month before us.

Don't mind losing a hard fought series but these guys would get whitewashed if not a freak spell from Pandya.

 

 

[Number]

8 hours ago, Gollum said:

They lost a 5 test series in WI in 2002, after taking the lead. 

 

Take it back by a year and they drew 1-1 in Zim.

 

Couldn't beat SL in SL, in fact lost 2 series in the 2000s and barely drew one in 2010 after Murali had retired in Galle. A young Indian team beat a pretty strong Lankan team in 2015 from 0-1 down. 

 

Lost to Pak in 2006. 

 

Even if you take the 2007-10 period, the loss in SL was a disgrace especially if you want to call that Indian team the greatest. SL and Ind have similar conditions, so is that an admission that the 2008 Lankan team was better than the best ever Indian team? Big black mark for them. 

 

The 2007-10 team wasn't ruthless, hardly ever won more than 1 test per series even at home. Heck in 2007 they were content with drawing a test in Bangladesh. With this team, unless rain plays a big part we always see them pushing for wins even at the cost of defeat like 2014 Adelaide or '21 WTC final.....sure often it has worked against us but to be a champion side you must be prepared to lose in order to create winning opportunities. 

 

SL in 2008 had a better bowling attack than us. Specially in Sri Lanka.  Vaas, Murali and an extreme novelty in Ajanta Mendis.

Their batting in Sri Lankan conditons wasnt that far behind us.  Sangakkara, Jaywardne and biggest HTB of all time Samaraveera. Dilshan was also in good form in those years.

That was the best SL team in their history, at least on paper.

 

 

[rollingstoned]

12 hours ago, Gollum said:

They lost a 5 test series in WI in 2002, after taking the lead. 

 

Take it back by a year and they drew 1-1 in Zim.

 

Couldn't beat SL in SL, in fact lost 2 series in the 2000s and barely drew one in 2010 after Murali had retired in Galle. A young Indian team beat a pretty strong Lankan team in 2015 from 0-1 down. 

 

Lost to Pak in 2006. 

 

Even if you take the 2007-10 period, the loss in SL was a disgrace especially if you want to call that Indian team the greatest. SL and Ind have similar conditions, so is that an admission that the 2008 Lankan team was better than the best ever Indian team? Big black mark for them. 

 

The 2007-10 team wasn't ruthless, hardly ever won more than 1 test per series even at home. Heck in 2007 they were content with drawing a test in Bangladesh. With this team, unless rain plays a big part we always see them pushing for wins even at the cost of defeat like 2014 Adelaide or '21 WTC final.....sure often it has worked against us but to be a champion side you must be prepared to lose in order to create winning opportunities. 

Iirc In this series we won our first test away from home after more than a decade and a half or something at Trinidad. And it wasn't that bad a team with Dillon, Cuffy, Pedro Collins ( always troubled Sachin),  Gayle, Hooper, Sarwan, etc. It is a damn sight better than any WI team which came half a decade later. Even the sl 2008 team was a better one than the 2015 one Imo. 

Edited January 5 by rollingstoned

[harpicP]

12 hours ago, deathmonger said:

Big issue is Rahane-Pujara-Kohli trio peak and Bumrah-Shami-Ishant-Siraj peak not coinciding.

 

2018 SA Bumrah had just debuted.

2018 Eng didn't play first two matches.

2018 Aus we won and that was when the pace trio peaked.

 

During this time Kohli was god and Pujara and Rahane weren't half bad (The middle order peak was basically 2015-2019).

 

2020-21 bowling was great but middle order was getting on in years. Even then they were okay enough to have contributions in 2021 BGT and 2021 Eng tour. By 2022 SA tour, Rahane and Pujara had completely lost it and we lost the last two tests. If 2018 Rahane and Pujara were present could have won 1 of the 2 as well as drawn the 2022 one off Eng test.

 

Now Bumrah is at a peak, Siraj is decentish but not Ishant 2018 level, Shami is good when he plays but the other pacers are not that good. Gill, Jaiswal are too young and Iyer has issues. Kohli and Rohit have been good but even they are getting on in years. Rahul is good.

 

2018-19 Aus was the peak of this Ind team. Even without Warner/Smith, Ind hit 443 dec and 600 dec in MCG/SCG. Don't know when was the last time the Aussie quartet was smacked around so much at home.

 

 

Rahul is not good. He is trash. Apart from that i agree

[harpicP]

11 hours ago, deathmonger said:

That same team kicked SL ass a few days later.

 

It is the same bowling attack which is playing now. It is an ATG bowling attack.

 

Even in 20-21 apart from the 36 Indian batting did well there.

No. It has one atg bowler. And Lyon who is quality. Other 2 are average. 

 

Starc is mediocre outside aus. 

 

Hazlewood the same.

[harpicP]

4 hours ago, Number said:

2018. These besharams got arsewhooped by that England team, which couldn't even beat Pakistan  just a month before us.

Don't mind losing a hard fought series but these guys would get whitewashed if not a freak spell from Pandya.

 

 

Again cause our batting unit is brittle.

 

Including kohli. Kohli the so called great sucks vs swing himself.  Our whole batting unit has technical holes. We never had the batting unit to dominate against swing seam even n 2018.

Edited January 5 by harpicP

[deathmonger]

26 minutes ago, harpicP said:

No. It has one atg bowler. And Lyon who is quality. Other 2 are average. 

 

Starc is mediocre outside aus. 

 

Hazlewood the same.

the discussion as about dominating them in aus.

[deathmonger]

25 minutes ago, harpicP said:

Again cause our batting unit is brittle.

 

Including kohli. Kohli the so called great sucks vs swing himself.  Our whole batting unit has technical holes. We never had the batting unit to dominate against swing seam even n 2018.

2018 eng bumrah didnt play first two games.

 

would have prolly won first test with bumrah in.

 

2018 sa and england themselves didnt score that many runs. pitches were tough.

Edited January 5 by deathmonger

[putrevus]

19 hours ago, Gollum said:

They lost a 5 test series in WI in 2002, after taking the lead. 

 

Take it back by a year and they drew 1-1 in Zim.

 

Couldn't beat SL in SL, in fact lost 2 series in the 2000s and barely drew one in 2010 after Murali had retired in Galle. A young Indian team beat a pretty strong Lankan team in 2015 from 0-1 down. 

 

Lost to Pak in 2006. 

 

Even if you take the 2007-10 period, the loss in SL was a disgrace especially if you want to call that Indian team the greatest. SL and Ind have similar conditions, so is that an admission that the 2008 Lankan team was better than the best ever Indian team? Big black mark for them. 

 

The 2007-10 team wasn't ruthless, hardly ever won more than 1 test per series even at home. Heck in 2007 they were content with drawing a test in Bangladesh. With this team, unless rain plays a big part we always see them pushing for wins even at the cost of defeat like 2014 Adelaide or '21 WTC final.....sure often it has worked against us but to be a champion side you must be prepared to lose in order to create winning opportunities. 

I am seeing some people laying excuses for the team.

 

If Sachin, Sehwag, Gambhir, Dravid, VVS and Ganguly cannot match SL batting in SL, WI or Pakistan in Asian conditions forget SENA then why are we calling them great.

 

SL team scores 600 against a very decent Indian bowling attack with Kumble, Bhajji , Zak and Ishant.Indian team just folds like cheap tent. 

 

It was not one time occurance with that batting order.

 

They will start calling Zimbabwe team also good team since that Indian team could not even beat them

[harpicP]

On 1/5/2024 at 11:37 PM, putrevus said:

I am seeing some people laying excuses for the team.

 

If Sachin, Sehwag, Gambhir, Dravid, VVS and Ganguly cannot match SL batting in SL, WI or Pakistan in Asian conditions forget SENA then why are we calling them great.

 

SL team scores 600 against a very decent Indian bowling attack with Kumble, Bhajji , Zak and Ishant.Indian team just folds like cheap tent. 

 

It was not one time occurance with that batting order.

 

They will start calling Zimbabwe team also good team since that Indian team could not even beat them

Big stain was the losses to SL although SL themselves were good at home. 

And loss to Zimbabwe and draw at home to SAv in 08 and loss to pak in 07.