Trichromatic Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Performance in last away series in each country Aus - won 2-1 NZ - Lost 2-0 SA - Drawn 1-1 Eng - Drawn 2-2 WI - Won 1-0 Bangladesh - Won 1-0 Sri Lanka - Won 3-0 Unbeaten everywhere except NZ. Overall record in last 5 years Overall figures Team Span Mat Won Lost Tied Draw W/L Ave RPO Inns HS LS India 2019-2024 22 11 8 0 3 1.375 29.53 3.13 43 466 36 Adamant 1 Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 4 Author Share Posted January 4 Compared to other teams Team Span Mat Won Lost Tied Draw W/L Ave RPO Inns HS LS India 2019-2024 22 11 8 0 3 1.375 29.53 3.13 43 466 36 Afghanistan 2019-2023 2 1 1 0 0 1.000 22.12 3.09 4 342 115 Australia 2019-2023 19 7 7 0 5 1.000 32.34 3.32 37 556 91 England 2019-2023 28 11 13 0 4 0.846 28.73 3.36 54 657 68 Pakistan 2019-2024 21 8 10 0 2 0.800 30.55 3.11 36 576 89 Sri Lanka 2019-2023 18 4 9 0 5 0.444 28.73 3.02 35 515 109 South Africa 2019-2023 15 4 10 0 1 0.400 22.09 2.87 28 431 95 West Indies 2020-2023 15 4 10 0 1 0.400 24.61 2.93 29 447 77 New Zealand 2019-2023 16 3 9 0 4 0.333 28.94 3.05 31 612 62 Bangladesh 2019-2022 14 2 11 0 1 0.181 25.25 3.23 28 541 53 Zimbabwe 2020-2020 1 0 1 0 0 0.000 22.70 2.76 2 265 189 Ireland 2019-2023 5 0 5 0 0 0.000 23.13 3.09 10 492 38 Throwaib_Chuckter 1 Link to comment
Norman Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 2018-present is comfortably our best ever overseas Test team. Only team that comes close is the 2006-10 team where we won in West Indies (for the first time) , England and New Zealand, drew in South Africa and had an extremely competitive 1-2 defeat in Australia. raki05, rollingstoned and nevada 2 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 If only Bumrah showed up in important matches , India would have won series in SA, England thus becoming only Asian country to win series in all SENA counties. Link to comment
cowboysfan Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 3 minutes ago, putrevus said: If only Bumrah showed up in important matches , India would have won series in SA, England thus becoming only Asian country to win series in all SENA counties. heck if Shami had played we would have won the series easily,i hope he is fit for the England series. Link to comment
R!TTER Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 10 minutes ago, Norman said: 2018-present is comfortably our best ever overseas Test team. Considering some of the other teams have declined, massively in case of SA or SL, I’d say 2003-04 - 2009/10 was our best squad ever. Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) Batsmen get lot of blame on this forum , some of it is fair and some of it is ridiculous. in 2018 SA won two tests by setting 4th innings totals of 208 and 287. Batsmen were blasted for not chasing those totals. 2022 Batsmen gave them 240 in second test to defend, 210 in third test.So called great bowlers completely laid egg there. England chased 340 plus as if it was walk in park against these great bowlers. 2016-2021 India would have become ATG team if fast the bowlers raised their level in crunch moments. Edited January 4 by putrevus nevada 1 Link to comment
sensible-indian Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) Not at all. But first the best team in overseas was the 2007-2010 team. Won against england 1-0. Won against NZ 1-0 Lost 1-2 against Aus amid controversial Sydney test Drew against SA 1-1 (jacques Kallis saved them in the 3rd test...we were inches close to victory) Now coming back to our team... The 2018 wala team had farrr superior bowlers but batting was so inferior. We could have overcome the bad batting if the management had a stable approach. But what we got was a confused management that was trigger happy to change xis, make decisions hapazhardly, inconsistent yardsticks to select players, not biting the bullet and getting rid of non performers..the list goes on. The only time this team was amazingggg was during the twin wins against Aus... That was magical. And even there, we needed a Adelaide fiasco to get the playing XI right. Emotionally, i am far more connected to this side and i think they had a higher ceiling with the right team work (as shown in Aus 2020).... But looking at cold hard data, its hard to call this the best overseas Indian team. Its a case of a great opportunity lost. Edited January 4 by sensible-indian Gollum 1 Link to comment
sensible-indian Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 18 minutes ago, putrevus said: Batsmen get lot of blame on this forum , some of it is fair and some of it is ridiculous. in 2018 SA won two tests by setting 4th innings totals of 208 and 287. Batsmen were blasted for not chasing those totals. 2022 Batsmen gave them 240 in second test to defend, 210 in third test.So called great bowlers completely laid egg there. England chased 340 plus as if it was walk in park against these great bowlers. 2016-2021 India would have become ATG team if fast the bowlers raised their level in crunch moments. SA 2018 pitches were harder to chase. 2021 pitches were easy to chase. In fact the pitch was the easiest in 4th innings. Apples and oranges brother. Why do we fall into this trap of making wrong comparisons? 2018 we simply didnt score enough with the bat. 2021 we failed with the bat and ball. raki05 and Gollum 1 1 Link to comment
sensible-indian Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) 22 minutes ago, putrevus said: Batsmen get lot of blame on this forum , some of it is fair and some of it is ridiculous. in 2018 SA won two tests by setting 4th innings totals of 208 and 287. Batsmen were blasted for not chasing those totals. 2022 Batsmen gave them 240 in second test to defend, 210 in third test.So called great bowlers completely laid egg there. England chased 340 plus as if it was walk in park against these great bowlers. 2016-2021 India would have become ATG team if fast the bowlers raised their level in crunch moments. 2016-21 the losses were 90% on batsmen. I remember you continuously lambasting our batsmen while we were crumbling in the 2018 SA series. Edited January 4 by sensible-indian Link to comment
Adamant Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Is that win against the worst Nz team of all time actualy counted as a great achievement? That was a minnowesque Nz team, lets not even compare that Nz team to the giant it has become. And no 2007-2010 was nowhere near this team Lost in Aus against a team which was weak after retirement of legendary players. Laaloo 1 Link to comment
Adamant Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 12 minutes ago, sensible-indian said: Not at all. But first the best team in overseas was the 2007-2010 team. Won against england 1-0. Won against NZ 1-0 Lost 1-2 against Aus amid controversial Sydney test Drew against SA 1-1 (jacques Kallis saved them in the 3rd test...we were inches close to victory) Now coming back to our team... The 2018 wala team had farrr superior bowlers but batting was so inferior. We could have overcome the bad batting if the management had a stable approach. But what we got was a confused management that was trigger happy to change xis, make decisions hapazhardly, inconsistent yardsticks to select players, not biting the bullet and getting rid of non performers..the list goes on. The only time this team was amazingggg was during the twin wins against Aus... That was magical. And even there, we needed a Adelaide fiasco to get the playing XI right. Emotionally, i am far more connected to this side and i think they had a higher ceiling with the right team work (as shown in Aus 2020).... But looking at cold hard data, its hard to call this the best overseas Indian team. Its a case of a great opportunity lost. Looking at cold hard data? Can you post the win loss record in overseas conditions for both thes team. May be I am wrong but just wanna confirm Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 8 minutes ago, sensible-indian said: SA 2018 pitches were harder to chase. 2021 pitches were easy to chase. In fact the pitch was the easiest in 4th innings. Apples and oranges brother. Why do we fall into this trap of making wrong comparisons? 2018 we simply didnt score enough with the bat. 2021 we failed with the bat and ball. It was easier to chase as bowling was bad.Last test was not 400 plus wicket yet they scored 400 plus. Cannot keep blaming batting. Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 8 minutes ago, sensible-indian said: 2016-21 the losses were 90% on batsmen. I remember you continuously lambasting our batsmen while we were crumbling in the 2018 SA series. I never said batsmen were not to be blamed but bowlers also need to be blamed for those losses. When you have your team 153/4 and it becomes 153 allout , it means batting has lot of issues.Batting has been a issue for this team for last 10 years. Bowling which was the strength of this team did not raise their level when it was needed very much like in 2000s Indian teams when batting was their strength but they never could raise their level in key matches or moments. It is unfortunate for us fans as we never got to see a well rounded team . Link to comment
sensible-indian Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 12 minutes ago, Adamant said: Looking at cold hard data? Can you post the win loss record in overseas conditions for both thes team. May be I am wrong but just wanna confirm I forgot the right filter to use for win loss records. This is the raw link - https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;groupby=series;home_or_away=2;host=1;host=2;host=3;host=5;orderby=win_loss_ratio;spanmax2=31+Jan+2011;spanmin2=01+Mar+2007;spanval2=span;team=6;template=results;type=team Here are the results: India tour of England 2007 Won - 1 Loss - 0 Draw - 2 India tour of Aus 2007-08 Won -1 Loss - 2 Draw - 1 India tour of NZ 2008/09 Won - 1 Loss - 0 Draw - 2 India tour of SA 2010 Won - 1 Loss - 1 Draw - 1 Total games - 12 Won - 4 Loss - 3 Draw - 5 W/L Record - 1.33 We barely lost in this cycle. A very steady team. Lone Wolf 1 Link to comment
sensible-indian Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 23 minutes ago, putrevus said: It was easier to chase as bowling was bad.Last test was not 400 plus wicket yet they scored 400 plus. Cannot keep blaming batting. Yes bowling was bad. Batting was horrendous. We kept losing wickets needlessly. Link to comment
sensible-indian Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Adamant said: Is that win against the worst Nz team of all time actualy counted as a great achievement? That was a minnowesque Nz team, lets not even compare that Nz team to the giant it has become. And no 2007-2010 was nowhere near this team Lost in Aus against a team which was weak after retirement of legendary players. That's the sad part. This 2018 - now team could have been legendary. They didn't capitalize which frustrates me to no end. If we give more weightage to the twin wins in Aus, then yes this side is better. But outside Aus, it was inferior to that team. That team had to face a LEGENDARY SA team in SA and they almost won it. Edited January 4 by sensible-indian Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 3 minutes ago, sensible-indian said: I forgot the right filter to use for win loss records. This is the raw link - https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;groupby=series;home_or_away=2;host=1;host=2;host=3;host=5;orderby=win_loss_ratio;spanmax2=31+Jan+2011;spanmin2=01+Mar+2007;spanval2=span;team=6;template=results;type=team Here are the results: India tour of England 2007 Won - 1 Loss - 0 Draw - 2 India tour of Aus 2007-08 Won -1 Loss - 2 Draw - 1 India tour of NZ 2008/09 Won - 1 Loss - 0 Draw - 2 India tour of SA 2010 Won - 1 Loss - 1 Draw - 1 Total games - 12 Won - 4 Loss - 3 Draw - 5 W/L Record - 1.33 We barely lost in this cycle. A very steady team. That was a great run... SA & AUS were unbeatable at this period with ATG or close to it sides at their disposal. Bucknor screwed us otherwise that era would be unsurpassable if add a potential series win in AUS or heck a drawn one. Link to comment
R!TTER Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: That was a great run... SA & AUS were unbeatable at this period with ATG or close to it sides at their disposal. Bucknor screwed us otherwise that era would be unsurpassable if add a potential series win in AUS or heck a drawn one. We actually could've won in SA 2006, SRT dropped Prince early (second?) day & he went on to score a ton in the second test. We also should’ve won in 2003/04 Oz but PP & *nor also screwed us big time, same in 2008 tour! So the actual (good) run was much longer since 2003 Brisbane test! Edited January 4 by R!TTER sensible-indian 1 Link to comment
sensible-indian Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 3 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: That was a great run... SA & AUS were unbeatable at this period with ATG or close to it sides at their disposal. Bucknor screwed us otherwise that era would be unsurpassable if add a potential series win in AUS or heck a drawn one. That was a nice run. Steady management. Steady team. Steady performances. Peaked in SA. Just missed the series by a whisper. If we had Bumrah, we would have easily won against SA. Yeah Bucknor screwed us in Sydney. Tragic really cos that game could have gone either way or been ATLEAST a draw. But I was shocked to see it was Bucknor who helped us win the series in Eng. The rain affected draw....Bucknor gave a plumb lbw not out in the end. Some video on Youtube must have it. Link to comment
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