Average batsmen of Ranji don't succeed in test cricket

[Trichromatic]

It may happen in other countries where batsmen can be thrown into test arena and succeed without having good FC record, but even there it's more of exception than norm.

 

Players like Labu are such examples.

 

However, when it comes to Indian cricket seems there is no exception in 90+ years. 

 

All Indian batsmen have their test average either similar or less than their FC average.

 

Those who averaged 40-45 in Ranjis end up averaging 30s in test cricket. At best they go upto high 30s.

 

Those averaging 50+ end up with average of 35-50.

 

India has tried 40 averaging batsmen many times and none of them succeeded. Yuvraj, Raina, SKY and now Patidar. Best was MSD who ended up with avg of 38 which was valuable as he was a keeper.

[putrevus]

50 plus avg is also no guarantee, Mukund who was averaging 60 when he made his debut hardly looked like international batsman.

 

 

[Trichromatic]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

50 plus avg is also no guarantee, Mukund who was averaging 60 when he made his debut hardly looked like international batsman.

 

 

 

Averaging 40s is guaranteed failure.

 

50+ averaging batsmen may or may not succeed.

[putrevus]

49 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Averaging 40s is guaranteed failure.

 

50+ averaging batsmen may or may not succeed.

But Patidar had many many fans on ICF here.

[putrevus]

I expected Sarfraz to do more in this test . He struggled to even rotate strike once England cut off his easy singles.

[Trichromatic]

5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

But Patidar had many many fans on ICF here.

 

Even if there was 1 batsman in history of Indian cricket who could be exception, not even norm, I would have believed in such players.

 

But there is no example at all.

[Vijy]

Best batters since 2018 in domestics have been Indrajith, Sarfaraz, and Jaiswal, followed by Vihari and Gill IMO. most of them have played int'l cricket.

[BacktoCricaddict]

For MO in the modern era:

 

2 year FC record.

>55 average

> 60 SR. Yes, it is FC and SR doesn't matter, but it suggests dominance of domestic attacks.

 

This is the minimum benchmark. It does not guarantee success but it is the best indicator. Anything less than this is a guarantee of failure.

 

[Vijy]

2 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

For MO in the modern era:

 

2 year FC record.

>55 average

> 60 SR. Yes, it is FC and SR doesn't matter, but it suggests dominance of domestic attacks.

 

This is the minimum benchmark. It does not guarantee success but it is the best indicator. Anything less than this is a guarantee of failure.

 

Indrajith since 2018 (i.e., 5-6 yr) has 63-64 batting avg and SR over 60.

[BacktoCricaddict]

10 minutes ago, Vijy said:

Indrajith since 2018 (i.e., 5-6 yr) has 63-64 batting avg and SR over 60.

Surprised he is never in contention then. Maybe selectors confuse him with his less-accomplished twin?

[Vijy]

2 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Surprised he is never in contention then. Maybe selectors confuse him with his less-accomplished twin?

selectors' tendency to go for flashier players:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/b-indrajith-rides-the-highs-and-lows-to-lead-tamil-nadus-ranji-trophy-challenge-1421972

[BacktoCricaddict]

10 minutes ago, Vijy said:

selectors' tendency to go for flashier players:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/b-indrajith-rides-the-highs-and-lows-to-lead-tamil-nadus-ranji-trophy-challenge-1421972

That's unfortunate. What he lacks are "daddy knocks" - like 300+. What about impact-match knocks - like Duleep finals? Irani finals? Of course, I don't know if Patidar had all that coming in, so there may be some inconsistencies there. Hopefully it's not a missed opportunity for India.

[Vijy]

Just now, BacktoCricaddict said:

That's unfortunate. What he lacks are "daddy knocks" - like 300+. What about impact-match knocks - like Duleep finals? Irani finals? Of course, I don't know if Patidar had all that coming in, so there may be some inconsistencies there. Hopefully it's not a missed opportunity for India.

Indrajith is generally known for scoring runs when his state team needs it. has not played much of Ind A. And I don't recall him featuring much and doing much in Duleep/Irani either.

[BacktoCricaddict]

1 minute ago, Vijy said:

Indrajith is generally known for scoring runs when his state team needs it. has not played much of Ind A. And I don't recall him featuring much and doing much in Duleep/Irani either.

Tough. Hopefully TN makes it into Ranji SF/F and he hits a really big one to lead them to victories to catch the selectors' eye.

[Vijy]

2 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Tough. Hopefully TN makes it into Ranji SF/F and he hits a really big one to lead them to victories to catch the selectors' eye.

I hope so. Here's one more article, which confirms what I suspected - that he has rarely played in Ind A, and didn't get to play in Duleep recently either.

https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/ranji-trophy-tamil-nadus-baba-indrajith-continues-to-knock-on-indian-teams-doors-9179155/

[Sooda]

176(256) v NZ A
4(17) v NZ A
30(52) v NZ A
109*(135)
33(67) v SA A
111(141) v ENG Lions
151(158) v ENG Lions
4(17) v ENG Lions

Unofficial ODI-
45*(41) v NZ A
20(17) v NZ A

Last 2 Ranji Trophy Season - 658 & 565 Runs

.......

 

Patidar is there on merit, though I agree fortunate to be in A team on back of IPl exploits ahead of Indrajith say

 

Unfortunately for him I don't think he should play test cricket again 

Edited February 26 by Sooda

[Sooda]

On 2/24/2024 at 6:15 PM, BacktoCricaddict said:

Tough. Hopefully TN makes it into Ranji SF/F and he hits a really big one to lead them to victories to catch the selectors' eye.

 

Yes hope so, this is first time in 6 years TN has reached QFs which has Hury Indras chances on big stage

[Vijy]

2 minutes ago, Sooda said:

176(256) v NZ A
4(17) v NZ A
30(52) v NZ A
109*(135)
33(67) v SA A
111(141) v ENG Lions
151(158) v ENG Lions
4(17) v ENG Lions

Unofficial ODI-
45*(41) v NZ A
20(17) v NZ A

Last 2 Ranji Trophy Season - 658 & 565 Runs

.......

 

Patidar is there on merit, though I agree fortunate to be in A team on back of IPl exploits ahead of Indrajith say

 

Unfortunately for him I don't think he should play test cricket again 

he shouldn't play even ranjis again. sub-rathod level batter

[Sandz]

3 hours ago, Sooda said:

176(256) v NZ A
4(17) v NZ A
30(52) v NZ A
109*(135)
33(67) v SA A
111(141) v ENG Lions
151(158) v ENG Lions
4(17) v ENG Lions

Unofficial ODI-
45*(41) v NZ A
20(17) v NZ A

Last 2 Ranji Trophy Season - 658 & 565 Runs

.......

 

Patidar is there on merit, though I agree fortunate to be in A team on back of IPl exploits ahead of Indrajith say

 

Unfortunately for him I don't think he should play test cricket again 

 

Not everyone who is great in domestic cricket will make it big in Internationals, not many do. See Graeme Hick as a case in point. But you gotto give them a shot based on domestic performances, and if they don't make it then move on to the next one.

Edited February 26 by Sandz

[Sooda]

13 hours ago, Sandz said:

 

Not everyone who is great in domestic cricket will make it big in Internationals, not many do. See Graeme Hick as a case in point. But you gotto give them a shot based on domestic performances, and if they don't make it then move on to the next one.

Yes my point exactly... it was right that he got his chances. Very unfortunate that he could not make the most of it, may still be a spot as a fringe LOI bat