Now I understand why PSL is the best bowling T20 league in the world!

[Ultimate_Game]

After all when you bowl at Pak intl and domestic batsmen, obviously every bowler is gonna look good. No wonder likes of Shadab Khan, Rauf, Shaheen, Abrar etc. are able to pick up wkts in PSL and look utterly mediocre at intl level. It says it all when someone like Usman Khan is the best batsman and Ifti chacha is the best finisher. Yup, I'm not making it up... that hack from UAE (Usman Khan) who looked like a tailender in WT20 was their best batsman in PSL! 

 

No wonder mediocrities like Luke Ronchi have been so successful in PSL and Pollard is still able to perform there despite retiring and being a coach in IPL for the last few years 

[Cloud9]

I thought you were serious for a moment 

[Norman]

Also the UAE factor. PSL used to be played in the Emirates in its earlier years on some sticy wickets which made it tough for the batters.

 

As soon as it moves back to Paxtan, these same bessht phasst bowlers began getting plundered by the same mediocre batters.

[bsriharsha]

Dumb *s can't bat , can't slog , can't field , can't bowl.

 

Tampering also can't be done now. 

[Lone Wolf]

2 hours ago, Norman said:

Also the UAE factor. PSL used to be played in the Emirates in its earlier years on some sticy wickets which made it tough for the batters.

 

As soon as it moves back to Paxtan, these same bessht phasst bowlers began getting plundered by the same mediocre batters.

Retired BBL legends like Ben Dunk became household names in Paxtan smashing beshhht bowling

[Ultimate_Game]

6 hours ago, Cloud9 said:

I thought you were serious for a moment 

 

Nothing but the hard, bitter, and dispassionate truth 

[Tillu]

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Edited Tuesday at 03:25 PM by Tillu

[Need4Speed]

[AuxiliA]

TBF one & the only thing in cricket that the Pakistanis are still better at than the Indians(minus Bumrah) is pace Bowling in T20s. That's their speciality. 

 

Their bowlers have made life difficult for our batsmen in all the last 3 T20 WCs. It's just that their T20 batters are selfish and mediocre. 

 

[tapandrun]

Pak T20i bowling was good they were able to make a game out of 150-160 totals, they had a v.good template for T20I bowling line-up.

But the template is as good as all the components are working once Shaheen went off the wheels their bowling got disturbed and then they were not able to patch it.

 

For PSL having best bowling is blown out of proportion kind of thing, in IPL teams were getting big scores batters were getting big score and in PSL scores were low first they said its due to easy batting conditions in Ind compared and then in some invertivew with OS  players like Watson who said something on the lines that PSL has v.good bowling which was kind of a set-up question , that he had to say something like it and then similar question to other OS players and similar answers.

 

Its same how Ind sports journos keep on mentioning Dhoni /Kolhi/ rohit to other players in interview and ask some set-up questions or work as hype-man for these player.

The good thing is they do it for 1/2 articles and some mention somewhere, but pak cricket kept carrying on these comments.

 

Ponting kept on saying that this is the worse bowling unit to play in Aus for 2 continuous series against Pak but Pak cricket/PCB/Players all have put their eggs in T20i format where they were doing reasonably well though against B/C/D sides but they were able to make it to T20iwc semis and finals that kind of cemented that they are v.good in T20s 

[Ultimate_Game]

1 hour ago, AuxiliA said:

TBF one & the only thing in cricket that the Pakistanis are still better at than the Indians(minus Bumrah) is pace Bowling in T20s. That's their speciality. 

 

Their bowlers have made life difficult for our batsmen in all the last 3 T20 WCs. It's just that their T20 batters are selfish and mediocre. 

 

 

I disagree. The discipline and mental toughness Arshdeep and Pandya showed in the WT20 final is beyond any Pak bowler. That 19th over from Arshdeep was so accurate and Pandya bowling the 16th & 20th overs was better than anything I've seen from a Pak pacer.

 

Siraj is the only one I doubt as he melts down mentally but even he's a much better Test bowler than Pak pacers.

[Need4Speed]

it is Shaheen's 145kph big booming inswingers..which were causing threats..once that faded away..they are not same unit anymore..

[New guy]

11 hours ago, AuxiliA said:

TBF one & the only thing in cricket that the Pakistanis are still better at than the Indians(minus Bumrah) is pace Bowling in T20s. That's their speciality. 

 

Their bowlers have made life difficult for our batsmen in all the last 3 T20 WCs. It's just that their T20 batters are selfish and mediocre. 

 

Lol what

 

Arshdeep averaged 12 in the wt20 despite also playing on WI wicket. He out bowled every single one of the Pak hyped bowlers even though the later only bowled on helpful US wickets

 

They take couple of wickets with new ball and their fans start the over hype. Even our own gullible fans start believing the fake hype. 

 

 

[New guy]

7 hours ago, Need4Speed said:

it is Shaheen's 145kph big booming inswingers..which were causing threats..once that faded away..they are not same unit anymore..

Also modern batsmen practice and adapt. I am sure Rohit Gill etc would still be able to take him on even if he was bowling booming 145kph. You can see they doing different things like stepping out of crease, taking a more closer stance etc to tackle the in swing.

 

There is a reason bowlers like Bumrah have a million tricks up his sleeve and is not a one trick pony like Shaheen

Edited Wednesday at 04:38 AM by New guy

[New guy]

10 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

I disagree. The discipline and mental toughness Arshdeep and Pandya showed in the WT20 final is beyond any Pak bowler. That 19th over from Arshdeep was so accurate and Pandya bowling the 16th & 20th overs was better than anything I've seen from a Pak pacer.

 

Siraj is the only one I doubt as he melts down mentally but even he's a much better Test bowler than Pak pacers.

It's like hyping batsmen who hit one or two weird shots like no look 6s. Pak bowlers are hyped so much just because they take couple of new ball wickets. And people fall for that fake hype

 

Arshdeep also averaged 12 in the world cup despite playing on WI pitches too and outbowled every single Pak bowlers when the later only bowled on helpful US wickets 

[AuxiliA]

11 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

I disagree. The discipline and mental toughness Arshdeep and Pandya showed in the WT20 final is beyond any Pak bowler. That 19th over from Arshdeep was so accurate and Pandya bowling the 16th & 20th overs was better than anything I've seen from a Pak pacer.

 

Siraj is the only one I doubt as he melts down mentally but even he's a much better Test bowler than Pak pacers.

 

1 hour ago, New guy said:

Lol what

 

Arshdeep averaged 12 in the wt20 despite also playing on WI wicket. He out bowled every single one of the Pak hyped bowlers even though the later only bowled on helpful US wickets

 

They take couple of wickets with new ball and their fans start the over hype. Even our own gullible fans start believing the fake hype. 

 

 

 

 

Sure the Pakistanis delusionally hype their pacers to the moon but they did outperform our attack in the previous 2 T20 WCs. Their T20 batting sucks compared to ours big time but they still have given us tough times in T20s in the last 5 years, mainly on back of their pacers. 

 

You need to understand that Pakistan has put all it's eggs in the T20 basket. In longer formats our bowling is lightyears ahead of theirs but in T20s it's very close. 

 

[Ultimate_Game]

6 hours ago, AuxiliA said:

 

 

 

Sure the Pakistanis delusionally hype their pacers to the moon but they did outperform our attack in the previous 2 T20 WCs. Their T20 batting sucks compared to ours big time but they still have given us tough times in T20s in the last 5 years, mainly on back of their pacers. 

 

You need to understand that Pakistan has put all it's eggs in the T20 basket. In longer formats our bowling is lightyears ahead of theirs but in T20s it's very close. 

 

 

Again debatable. They had luck on their side the in 2022 & 2021 WT20s which makes their pacers look better. The last WT20 in 2022 they should've been knocked out in the group stage after losing to Zim. It took a rained off SA-Zim game and a miraculous Ned win against SA to get to the next round. In 2021, it was all toss and if you won the toss and chased, you were assured of a win. Their performances were no different from the recent WT20 with the only difference being they didn't get the luck this time round.

Edited Wednesday at 12:37 PM by Ultimate_Game

[Ultimate_Game]

7 hours ago, New guy said:

It's like hyping batsmen who hit one or two weird shots like no look 6s. Pak bowlers are hyped so much just because they take couple of new ball wickets. And people fall for that fake hype

 

Arshdeep also averaged 12 in the world cup despite playing on WI pitches too and outbowled every single Pak bowlers when the later only bowled on helpful US wickets 

 

And its not a recent phenomenon either. Our bowlers have always outbowled Pak bowlers in tourney. Likes of Prasad, RP Singh, Sreesanth, Bhuvi, Umesh etc. were more disciplined and delivered better results in the tourneys. There's a reason we're 16-1 in WC & WT20 games against them and have double the no. of ICC titles (6 to 3). And for the last decade or so we simply have had better pacers in Bumrah, Shami, Siraj, Arshdeep etc.

 

Pace is of no use if you can't even pitch the ball in the right place. And based on their recent bowling they don't even have pace as well. Seeing their bowlers trying to breach the 130kph barrier while making Maria Sharapova like sounds and being easily out-bowled and out-paced by B'desh was hilarious.

[Need4Speed]

I feel our bowling is mostly ahead of Pak due to Bumrah..no Bumrah..and we struggle...

the bowling unit shouldnt be so much dependent on one bowler..

 

In T20s..however they perform Pak has trio- Shaeen,Naseem and Haris..to carry their bowling line up in paper..

we only have Boom and now Arshdeep is evolving..

hence we lack overall balance due to overdependence on one person...this bites us not only against Pak but against any other team too..

Edited Wednesday at 03:39 PM by Need4Speed