G_B_ Posted January 4 Posted January 4 Russia has cut a deal on ukraine.... I think will be talking point of 26. Once deal happens and if 25% russia related sanctions remain then true us face will be exposed.
IndianRenegade Posted January 4 Posted January 4 4 hours ago, G_B_ said: There is no point crying over spilt milk. Based on this logic Usa is built on the blood of native americans and slavery. People chose to emigrate based economic prospects. The uk has not threatened the rules based order since the suez crisis 50+ years ago. The issue facing the world is that USA is on the march now. Do Indian Americans actively contribute to this war machine in its present. It’s clear the votes of indian americans would not have impacted the outcome. So money is the only thing feeding this machine. It’s clear the usa military was not built overnight. Eventually it would be deployed. Both dems and republicans have not disarmed it. Native Americans aren’t Indians, your tax dollars protect the empire built explicitly on suffering of Indians. And it is well established that your tax dollars is what gave info on the op on kalisthani goons that disrupted relations between US, Canada & India. How do Indian origin “morons” feel about it? It is clear Indian votes had no impact but you guilt trip Indians in America for what I always told will happen with the current GOP, that you advocated for, conveniently forgotten or obscured as blame on both sides. you justified all that for Bangladeshi Hindus, literally nothing has changed in their situation, I would argue things have become worse.
IndianRenegade Posted January 4 Posted January 4 (edited) 2 hours ago, G_B_ said: Didnt bill clinton sanction india? Yes it did, & I am not a simpleton wrt US politics as I live here. It is the confederates that Republicans fought against who are venerated as heros by current republicans. parties change, if it was the traditional Republican Party of 2016 before Trump, & white nationalists like miller, they would have been better for India. It is not, you face realities as it & not as you want to be. Edited January 4 by IndianRenegade
IndianRenegade Posted January 4 Posted January 4 5 hours ago, G_B_ said: The uk has not threatened the rules based order since the suez crisis 50+ years ago. Tony Blair laughing in the corner.
G_B_ Posted January 4 Posted January 4 1 hour ago, IndianRenegade said: Yes it did, & I am not a simpleton wrt US politics as I live here. It is the confederates that Republicans fought against who are venerated as heros by current republicans. parties change, if it was the traditional Republican Party of 2016 before Trump, & white nationalists like miller, they would have been better for India. It is not, you face realities as it & not as you want to be. Jimmy carter too imposed sanctions on india in 1978.. Bush Sr restored them.(traditional as you say). But dems do end up costing india..
G_B_ Posted January 4 Posted January 4 3 hours ago, IndianRenegade said: Native Americans aren’t Indians, your tax dollars protect the empire built explicitly on suffering of Indians. And it is well established that your tax dollars is what gave info on the op on kalisthani goons that disrupted relations between US, Canada & India. How do Indian origin “morons” feel about it? It is clear Indian votes had no impact but you guilt trip Indians in America for what I always told will happen with the current GOP, that you advocated for, conveniently forgotten or obscured as blame on both sides. you justified all that for Bangladeshi Hindus, literally nothing has changed in their situation, I would argue things have become worse. That empire is also the genesis of why you are in the states and created the 13 colonies. Its why new york is new york and not new amsterdam. Its literally the same set of people. My taxes dont directly preserve or encourage any empire. There is none left. When indians were suffering i was not paying taxes. Yours do, if you believe the usa is now a white colonial power. This is a simple fact. There is no guilt tripping any of this. I never said usa was a white colonial power. You did. Its like having your cake and eating it too. Ps blair only followed bush as part of nato..there were french to danish deployments. During suez uk and france were lead actors.
ravishingravi Posted January 5 Author Posted January 5 Interesting thread. Sometimes I feel I was better off ignorant. It's a sick world.
IndianRenegade Posted January 5 Posted January 5 (edited) 3 hours ago, ravishingravi said: Interesting thread. Sometimes I feel I was better off ignorant. It's a sick world. irrespective of her husbands exploits, & her money. She is a literal nobody in terms of influence, trump wouldn't even remember meeting her. Edited January 5 by IndianRenegade
IndianRenegade Posted January 5 Posted January 5 3 hours ago, ravishingravi said: Greenland next. Iran by 2027. Both are really trickey & not as easy as Venezulea. Controlling Iran required troops on ground, everyone knows how that truned out in Iraq & Afg, if body bags come back he will see worse than bush 2008 ratings. Greenland would require annexing an ally. It could mean breaking up of ties with EU.
IndianRenegade Posted January 5 Posted January 5 (edited) 7 hours ago, G_B_ said: Jimmy carter too imposed sanctions on india in 1978.. Bush Sr restored them.(traditional as you say). But dems do end up costing india.. And Nixon a republican remains the only POTUS to have threatened India militarialy & held racist views of Indians much like the policy maker in the trump admins. So? Niether Nixon, Jimmy Carter or Clinton are the realities India faces now. India faces white nationalist admin held off only by the cult of Trump & will soon face the reality of white nationalist US lead by Vance, who needed to be shamed into defending his own Indian wife & mixed kids ,or a guy like Newsom, who has used his veto power twice in favor of Hindus/India. The option is simple. Edited January 5 by IndianRenegade
ravishingravi Posted January 5 Author Posted January 5 Again. Lindsay Graham right next to Trump. Again, hemisphere. Seems like memo is very clear. Next Colombia. MVGA
pkmmamks Posted January 5 Posted January 5 Trump sent another love message for Modi ji. Chup na raho Chup bhi na raho
ravishingravi Posted January 5 Author Posted January 5 Next low cost centre after China might be Latin America. I think all factors are heading in that direction.
IndianRenegade Posted January 5 Posted January 5 (edited) LOL 7 hours ago, G_B_ said: Ps blair only followed bush as part of nato..there were french to danish deployments. During suez uk and france were lead actors. blair just followed bush is patently false (reasons below). Also, NATO as an organization had no role in the decision to undertake the campaign or to conduct it. And France literaly threatned to veto authorization of force in Iraq leading to withdrawl of the UN resolution. May be brush up history, before making historical claims? US & UK, which still belived it was a some sort of world power caused it. Blair saw UK as pivotal power that needed to lead the world: Quote "Century upon century it has been the destiny of Britain to lead other nations. That should not be a destiny that is part of our history. It should be part of our future. We are a leader of nations or nothing" 1997 University of North texas, reviewed blair's motivations based on historical documentation & conlcuded: Quote ....Blair involved Britain in the Iraq war on his own volition and not simply out of some misguided sense of obligation to the United States. While it might assuage the sensibilities of some to believe that Blair was bullied into joining the war effort, available documentation of Blair's speeches, press conferences, etc. does not support this assumption.... https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc9842/ 7 hours ago, G_B_ said: That empire is also the genesis of why you are in the states and created the 13 colonies. Its why new york is new york and not new amsterdam. Its literally the same set of people. My taxes dont directly preserve or encourage any empire. There is none left. When indians were suffering i was not paying taxes. Yours do, if you believe the usa is now a white colonial power. This is a simple fact. There is no guilt tripping any of this. I never said usa was a white colonial power. You did. Its like having your cake and eating it too. ROFL. it was you who claimed, since one is paying taxes in a country that in their view is a colonial power, they are responsible for it. so what cake am I trying to keep & also eat? this was never my position to begin with, collective reponsibility is your position. I just turned the position on you. you are just saying it is okay to enable a theif to keep the wealth they stole. if thats what makes sleep well at night so be it. I explicitly stated a Trump led GOP will be a disater to India, rights of people in US & around the world since his innaugration & didn't want this admin, when much of the sentiment in India or Indians in this forum was pro Trump admin, as time as passed, my fears have come true. While you continued to offer apologetics of this Admin, if something goes right you claim, see I said so. if it doesn't then its the problem of dems, Indian americans too because even though they didn't actively cause it, they didn't do enough when they were power to prevent the side you support from creating the problem. But you were never wrong in your support. Edited January 5 by IndianRenegade
IndianRenegade Posted January 5 Posted January 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, pkmmamks said: Trump sent another love message for Modi ji. Chup na raho Chup bhi na raho let him say what he wants, the fact is India doesn't have much leverage over Trump. The leverage India had was the US view that India was its startergic partner against China, Trump admin clearly doesn't see it that way. India has enough issues to deal with, Pakistan propped up by US, a beligerent idiot in BD & Trump's reviaval of monroe doctrine can push china to act up at our borders. So at the moment just don't irk trump to exagerate India's problems. Its time to act like how the chinese used to, take the humiliation & bide for your time. Edited January 5 by IndianRenegade pkmmamks 1
Lone Wolf Posted January 5 Posted January 5 Jaishankar seems to be facing a lot of backlash... Has been a disaster for a while now. MeA needs a reshuffle big time
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