India will not travel to Pakistan for ICC Champions Trophy 2025

[First class]

9 hours ago, jigjig said:

No other country is Pakistan's enemy like we are. You were built on hate for Indians and continue the hate through terror attacks in India. 

Can you say that clearly? 

 

That's easy, if you're talking about a common man in Pakistan he/she doesn't hate Indians . Yes at government level India blames Pakistan to be behind creating trouble in Kashmir and Pakistan government blames India for creating trouble in Baluchistan and KPK. I don;t want to open this debate on this cricket forum but I can understand why India doesn't want to sent its team to Pakistan and that's not due to security concerns , that's laughable . 

[First class]

10 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Lol,bomb blasts all around and your are saying everything is fine

Please tell this to all other seven teams traveling to Pakistan , don't know why they didn't receive the news you're breaking . 

[jigjig]

45 minutes ago, First class said:

That's easy, if you're talking about a common man in Pakistan he/she doesn't hate Indians . Yes at government level India blames Pakistan to be behind creating trouble in Kashmir and Pakistan government blames India for creating trouble in Baluchistan and KPK. I don;t want to open this debate on this cricket forum but I can understand why India doesn't want to sent its team to Pakistan and that's not due to security concerns , that's laughable . 

It is security also. You won't understand.

[jigjig]

43 minutes ago, First class said:

Please tell this to all other seven teams traveling to Pakistan , don't know why they didn't receive the news you're breaking . 

Take their land illegally and spread terror in their countries like you have done in India. Then ask them to visit after this news.

Edited November 12, 2024 by jigjig

[singhvivek141]

4 hours ago, Sharjah-Harjah said:

It’s irrelevant why Pakistan or for that matter India was created. All countries that exist today were created due to politics, conflict and war. The question should be forward looking: how do prosperous and successful societies behave and work backwards from that goal to see what needs to be done differently. Anything outside peace and prosperity is unsustainable. 

 

To move forward, Pakistan need to absolutely shut down the terror camps, demolish the military rule entirely, move back the military honoring the declaration signed by Hari Singh with Indian govt, take back the Aksai-Chin with China and hand it over to India, change their history textbooks entirely which is fed with anti India narrative.

 

That's absolute minimum to start the talks.

 

Then to progress economically, they need to liberalize the economy, setup large scale industries, spend money and develop the power sector to sustain the functioning of those industries.

 

That's bare minimum to start the trade and export.

 

Indian economy don't need Pakistan, they have moved ahead. Pakistan don't offer India anything which we don't have. So even from economic POV Pakistan is as irrelevant.

[singhvivek141]

7 hours ago, Sharjah-Harjah said:

 

1. It’s about who you choose to listen to—there's both good and bad everywhere.  

2. I don’t blame any of you; this is a consequence of isolation and a lack of direct contact between people. What you know about Pakistan is largely filtered through media, which is increasingly influenced by politics. The sheer number of Bollywood movies chest thumping and depicting Pakistan as a terror haven is alarming, raising questions about who’s behind this narrative and why. Over the years, the portrayal of Pakistan in Bollywood and other media channels has become so skewed that it’s understandable why you feel the way you do. Like I said, I don’t hold you responsible for this perspective. But if this continues, the result won’t be a simple “blockade”—it’ll be something far more serious. Without a foundation of friendship, no other outcome is sustainable.

Nothing will happen to India, Pakistan don't offer anything to India, it doesn't have any product available.

It's just a burden, nothing else.

Pakistan, if wants can build its economic ties with Iran & Afghanistan...India has stopped looking to its west and is focusing now on South East Asia, where the country is stable and has potential to move ahead.

 

Bollywood is actually trying to course correct now, Pakistan led by their army generals was the main instigator of 1971 & 1999 wars, core reason was pure religious hatred. I doubt things have improved now, else, foreign nationals won't get killed on the cause of blasphemy.

[singhvivek141]

2 hours ago, jigjig said:

Like friendship with Israel.Sorry it is absolutely relevant.

 

india wasn't created..Pakistan was.

 

Forward looking too - Give back POK. Apologise for splitting the motherland. Stop terrorism in India. Stop sleeping with the Chinese 

Bhai, they can't do any of the above.

Pakistan is like a handicap who needs its crutches (US & China) to walk. 

If they stop being a stooge of the above, they will fell on the ground and will be crushed to death by Iran & Afghanistan.

[Lone Wolf]

@Gollum Vikrant Gupta reading my posts on ICF or what

 

[raki05]

10 hours ago, Serpico said:

Well non Indian teams are not in GOI's jurisdiction, thats up to their govts. But if GOI genuinely believes that Indians will be attacked in Pakistan, they should ban all Indian teams from travelling there. Then it would be a principle based stand. Right now its just a convenience based one, not a good look for the country 

Idea is to not benefit them with ICT crazy fan base money. As they utilise it to conduct another 26/11 like they did soon after 2008 tour.

[singhvivek141]

10 hours ago, Sharjah-Harjah said:

Why are you all wasting your time on a political line that India is not going to Pakistan because of “security issues”. Security is not the problem. It’s an excuse. 
The main reason of course is the self proclaimed Indian regional strategy of isolating its smaller and weaker Neighbour Pakistan and continue to dominate and bully it, in-line with treatment of all other neighbors by India. The effects of Indian state sponsored terror error attack on SL team in Pakistan is now fading. Other teams are touring, which is exposing India’s stance. India’s options are to refresh another attack of that kind or they will increasingly get isolated in isolating Pakistan. 
On the other hand, it is as unlikely that Pakistan will apprehend the mastermind of 26/11 as India will apprehend Samjhota express’. 
Both have done wrong,  and it’s true Pakistan has done more wrong. Yet; the political narrative in India is that it’s an “innocent victim” and they’ve done “nothing wrong” and intelligence agencies have just been drinking tea all this time, so the high horse is not going to help find any solutions in short term. 

Didn't a blast happened in some train just couple of days back...killing some 30 odd people. Few weeks back even Karachi saw the explosions. KPK and Quetta is anyway seeing the conflicts day in and day out.

 

How can u say that security isnt an issue ?

 

Pakistan isnt as big in geography where one isolated incident in a corner will have no impact on others. 

[raki05]

10 hours ago, Sharjah-Harjah said:

Why are you all wasting your time on a political line that India is not going to Pakistan because of “security issues”. Security is not the problem. It’s an excuse. 
The main reason of course is the self proclaimed Indian regional strategy of isolating its smaller and weaker Neighbour Pakistan and continue to dominate and bully it, in-line with treatment of all other neighbors by India. The effects of Indian state sponsored terror error attack on SL team in Pakistan is now fading. Other teams are touring, which is exposing India’s stance. India’s options are to refresh another attack of that kind or they will increasingly get isolated in isolating Pakistan. 
On the other hand, it is as unlikely that Pakistan will apprehend the mastermind of 26/11 as India will apprehend Samjhota express’. 
Both have done wrong,  and it’s true Pakistan has done more wrong. Yet; the political narrative in India is that it’s an “innocent victim” and they’ve done “nothing wrong” and intelligence agencies have just been drinking tea all this time, so the high horse is not going to help find any solutions in short term. 

What about parliament attack, pulwama and uri attack . Ok so India did samjhauta express attack to kill its own civilians this is how they brainwashed you in madarsa. BTW 26/11 is well documented by various media globally that how attack was perpetrated by  Pakistani and organised and controlled by the Pakistani handlers.

[raki05]

10 hours ago, Itsthedon said:

Pakistan zindabad.

?????  How is it related to thread… or are you going to blow off like your brethren who does that after shouting such slogans.

[Ultimate_Game]

1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said:

@Gollum Vikrant Gupta reading my posts on ICF or what

 

 

I hope it does. SA would be a great venue for CT.

[Suhaan]

4 hours ago, First class said:

Please tell this to all other seven teams traveling to Pakistan , don't know why they didn't receive the news you're breaking . 

Answer lies in posts before

[raki05]

9 hours ago, Itsthedon said:

You should as well like @Lone Wolf.

 

We dump our poop to Pakistan ….search with the right keyword.

[Suhaan]

4 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

I hope it does. SA would be a great venue for CT.

There should be no CT,another resources wasting event

It's like having a CT T20 tournament would that mean much?

ICC should end their clownery with having an icc event every year

 

[Ultimate_Game]

3 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

There should be no CT,another resources wasting event

It's like having a CT T20 tournament would that mean much?

ICC should end their clownery with having an icc event every year

 

 

ICC tourneys are good. Much better than meaningless bilaterals. I hope BCCI kicks out oldies for the tourney and we have a youngish team like the T20 team. If we go with Rohit, Kohli and KL, the writing is on the wall and another humiliation awaits.

[Sharjah-Harjah]

1 hour ago, raki05 said:

What about parliament attack, pulwama and uri attack . Ok so India did samjhauta express attack to kill its own civilians this is how they brainwashed you in madarsa. BTW 26/11 is well documented by various media globally that how attack was perpetrated by  Pakistani and organised and controlled by the Pakistani handlers.

Of the 68 who died on that terror attack in India, 40 were Pakistani nationals in the Samjhota Express. The NIA suspected that Swami Aseemanand was the mastermind behind the attack, but later acquitted four men, including Aseemanand, due to “lack of evidence”. 
Pakistan should absolutely apprehend every single person involved in the 26/11 attack. It was a horrific incident and it’s unacceptable for the mastermind and Pakistani nationals to not be held accountable by its Government. The same logic should be applied to perpetrators of Samjohta express.

[Sharjah-Harjah]

2 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Didn't a blast happened in some train just couple of days back...killing some 30 odd people. Few weeks back even Karachi saw the explosions. KPK and Quetta is anyway seeing the conflicts day in and day out.

 

How can u say that security isnt an issue ?

 

Pakistan isnt as big in geography where one isolated incident in a corner will have no impact on others. 

Every country is now touring Pakistan. There’s no heightened threat to Indian cricketers based on bilateral animosity, any more  than those existed when Pakistani cricketers visited India.

[Sharjah-Harjah]

5 hours ago, jigjig said:

Take their land illegally and spread terror in their countries like you have done in India. Then ask them to visit after this news.

 

4 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Bhai, they can't do any of the above.

Pakistan is like a handicap who needs its crutches (US & China) to walk. 

If they stop being a stooge of the above, they will fell on the ground and will be crushed to death by Iran & Afghanistan.

 

2 hours ago, raki05 said:

What about parliament attack, pulwama and uri attack . Ok so India did samjhauta express attack to kill its own civilians this is how they brainwashed you in madarsa. BTW 26/11 is well documented by various media globally that how attack was perpetrated by  Pakistani and organised and controlled by the Pakistani handlers.

There was a time when I felt India had a strong narrative globally regarding its issues with Pakistan on terrorism, and many countries aligned with India, leaving Pakistan isolated. For almost a decade no team toured Pakistan. However, in recent years, Pakistan has made significant progress in combating terrorism, and the world has acknowledged these efforts, as shown by the increasing number of international teams now regularly touring Pakistan and Pakistan will be hosting its first ICC event. 

Now, India finds itself more isolated, lacking broad support, and its stance is beginning to appear desperate to neutral observers because all other teams are visiting Pakistan and do not agree with India’s stance. Recently, several Australian commentators even mocked the political bias and pettiness of India’s decision to undermine its neighbor’s tournament, pointing out that more is expected from the stronger, larger country than the weaker one and the decision amounts to bullying…