Do non-marathis face language issue/aggression/hooliganism/violence in Maharashtra?

[randomGuy]

33 minutes ago, kepler37b said:

1. I do not have any data on how many people care. But it HAS grown in the last few years.  
2. Those settling are hardly in single digit lakhs. No conclusion can be drawn from it.  BTW, this digestion into the western culture is for almost all indian groups. Not just telugus.
3. Most of these 1.23 million might not get a permanent settlement. Most will HAVE to return here.

 

Looking at your TFR, i don't think more than 7-7.5 lac Telugu babies are born in India annually, whereas 1 lac plus Telugu folks are migrating to USA alone annually. 

 

Population in usa reaching 1.2 million from 0.3 million in 8 years.

 

Let us see how many return out of love for language rather than lack of opportunities in usa.

 

[kepler37b]

45 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

 

Looking at your TFR, i don't think more than 7-7.5 lac Telugu babies are born in India annually, whereas 1 lac plus Telugu folks are migrating to USA alone annually. 

 

Population in usa reaching 1.2 million from 0.3 million in 8 years.

 

Let us see how many return out of love for language rather than lack of opportunities in usa.

 

I meant the visa issues will make them return to India.

[singhvivek141]

4 hours ago, ravishingravi said:

One simple data point. Entire auto rickshaw and railway staff, employees and union is dominated by folks from UP and Bihar. This would be unthinkable in any other city. But Mumbai allows this. 

 

Maharashtra as a whole could be a different story. But that's understandable. 

Based on my limited stays in Mumbai (and Pune)
1. Auto Union still belong to Marathis, unfortunately, they don't like to travel short distances and will always prefer long distance passengers. Hence for short distances they push the UP/Bihar autowalas.
Whenever we exit from a shopping mall, there will be a long queue of autowallahs asking for destination, only to turn into sad face if the distance I ask for a distance of just 1-2 km, and then they call "Bhaiyyas" to take me.

2. Ola/Uber cabs, so far, I've gotten only one UP wala cab driver (guessing by his surname as yadav) and one Telugu driver. Rest all were maharashtrian surname ones.

[bsriharsha]

Bank employees people. National banks have this crazy rule where a percentage of local employees have to be posted outside their home state. 

[ravishingravi]

27 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Based on my limited stays in Mumbai (and Pune)
1. Auto Union still belong to Marathis, unfortunately, they don't like to travel short distances and will always prefer long distance passengers. Hence for short distances they push the UP/Bihar autowalas.
Whenever we exit from a shopping mall, there will be a long queue of autowallahs asking for destination, only to turn into sad face if the distance I ask for a distance of just 1-2 km, and then they call "Bhaiyyas" to take me.

2. Ola/Uber cabs, so far, I've gotten only one UP wala cab driver (guessing by his surname as yadav) and one Telugu driver. Rest all were maharashtrian 

 

If anyone knows local population doesn't want to do these jobs. Not sure what they want but not this. Live long Mumbai कर, less than 20% Marathis and Maharashtrians ride taxis or autos. Now of course based on location in city, it can vary. 

[G_B_]

8 hours ago, randomGuy said:

Sorry to say but I think you and @Gollum etc. also low-key view hindi with  contempt. When @Gollumsays I talk to colleagues in English or when you predict natural progression towards English.

 

I mean why not promote a pan south asia desi language like hindi which is already understood by 2 billion out of the 8 billion humanity?

 

My view is simple. If you live in a state for more than 5 years you need to speak the local lang to the effect of basic communication.

 

Look at marvadi community. Not a single one I have come across does not know basic marathi.

 

Then you have people from tn and kerala settled in matunga who make no effort. These people actually speak Hindi and English. Same folks scream bloody murder at those who dont speak tamil in tn.

 

As to what language you choose to speak, it depends on the individials. Most speak a combo of English and Hindi in Mumbai. Its not 100% of either.

 

I also have no issue with Hindi. Its one of the languages taught in maharashtra in schools alongside marathi and its something I back. But it does raise the question, maharashtra has put processes in place to integrate with rest of country. Others coming to Mahasashtra should have civic sense to reciprocate.

 

If the "we are indian" mentality does not respect local customs and preferences, then i feel hindi should not be taught at state board within the state. Let people join icse and cbse schools if they want. Free choice.

 

[bsriharsha]

6 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

 

My view is simple. If you live in a state for more than 5 years you need to speak the local lang to the effect of basic communication.

 

Look at marvadi community. Not a single one I have come across does not know basic marathi.

 

Then you have people from tn and kerala settled in matunga who make no effort. These people actually speak Hindi and English. Same folks scream bloody murder at those who dont speak tamil in tn.

 

As to what language you choose to speak, it depends on the individials. Most speak a combo of English and Hindi in Mumbai. Its not 100% of either.

 

I also have no issue with Hindi. Its one of the languages taught in maharashtra in schools alongside marathi and its something I back. But it does raise the question, maharashtra has put processes in place to integrate with rest of country. Others coming to Mahasashtra should have civic sense to reciprocate.

 

If the "we are indian" mentality does not respect local customs and preferences, then i feel hindi should not be taught at state board within the state. Let people join icse and cbse schools if they want. Free choice.

 

Pretty much my philosophy. 

 

Lived in Bangalore for 10 odd years. Lived in Gujarat for 3 odd years. Made the effort to have the basic language skills in kannada and Gujarati. 

 

My kannada is something that it's easy for me to understand but my tongue doesn't roll enough. But I do make an effort. 

 

At the end of the day , it's the effort that really counts. Not condescension that people aren't comfortable speaking Hindi.

 

Had my neighbours who were IT employees (when I was in Bangalore)who were still in the impression that Hindi should be the default "rashtra bhasha". Think they were from some region in Bihar.

 

They were even mocking the Hindi that kannada guys attempted to speak. That's something which can't be done. 

[G_B_]

8 minutes ago, bsriharsha said:

Pretty much my philosophy. 

 

Lived in Bangalore for 10 odd years. Lived in Gujarat for 3 odd years. Made the effort to have the basic language skills in kannada and Gujarati. 

 

My kannada is something that it's easy for me to understand but my tongue doesn't roll enough. But I do make an effort. 

 

At the end of the day , it's the effort that really counts. Not condescension that people aren't comfortable speaking Hindi.

 

Had my neighbours who were IT employees (when I was in Bangalore)who were still in the impression that Hindi should be the default "rashtra bhasha". Think they were from some region in Bihar.

 

They were even mocking the Hindi that kannada guys attempted to speak. That's something which can't be done. 

 

A lot of hindi speakers make fun of marathi version of Hindi. Ignore the effort made. My hindi is heavily "bambaiya" hindi which mixes many marathi and hindi words. I can understand what is said in hollywood movies etc but thats my level. I picked this up from my relatives in mumbai. Keep in mind, i have 0 need to learn hindi. But as the languages use same script (devnagri) it came without significant effort.

 

Had a few people who moved from Delhi to london make fun of the way i speak Hindi. Not in a malicious way (though there was a parent of a good friend who looked visibly unhappy). So the question is do make fun of the way these people speak English and end all sentences with "only".?

 

 

 

 

[randomGuy]

20 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

 

My view is simple. If you live in a state for more than 5 years you need to speak the local lang to the effect of basic communication.

 

 

1.  Perhaps you should make exception for big cities like Mumbai kolkata Blore Hyd. Chennai in your view 

 

2.  Mumbai has 35% Marathi population,it straight away implies the rest 65% are more comfortable with Hindi vis a vis Marathi (your ex. Of TN folks in matunga)...even marathi boy khaire was speaking Hindi.

 

So, your view is more suited to villages , tier 3 cities , (not even to tier 2 cities like Nagpur)

 

3. It is a big and very obvious mistake to equate Hindi with any other language. It is a local south asian language already understood by 1/4th of humanity and by 99% of Indian youngsters.

 

4. You can't even compare marathi with Dravidian languages in terms of similarity with Hindi.

Edited November 23, 2025 by randomGuy

[singhvivek141]

7 minutes ago, bsriharsha said:

Had my neighbours who were IT employees (when I was in Bangalore)who were still in the impression that Hindi should be the default "rashtra bhasha". Think they were from some region in Bihar.

 

They were even mocking the Hindi that kannada guys attempted to speak. That's something which can't be done. 

 

They're ignorant, educated but ignorant.

 

Hindi and English are spoken by majority % of population, but not all. People need to understand this.

 

Best solution for the language variance is to revive Sanskrit. It everyone a level playing field. But it will require massive effort from the central govt and regional political parties.

 

Make Sanskrit, English and the state language as mandatory for all states. Sanskrit will help us understanding the precious knowledge of vedas and puranas.

[G_B_]

1 minute ago, randomGuy said:

1.  Perhaps you should make exception for big cities like Mumbai kolkata Blore Hyd. Chennai in your view 

 

2.  Mumbai has 35% Marathi population,it straight away implies the rest 65% are more comfortable with Hindi vis a vis Marathi (your ex. Of TN folks in matunga)...even marathi boy khaire was speaking Hindi.

 

So, your view is more suited to villages , tier 3 cities , (not even to tier 2 towns like Nagpur)

 

3. It is a big and very obvious mistake to equate Hindi with any other language. It is a local south asian language already understood by 1/4th of humanity and by 99% of Indian youngsters.

 

4. You can't even compare marathi with Dravidian languages in terms of similarity with Hindi.

 

Marathi pop in mumbai has nothing to do with why marathi should be understood if not spoken. The city is in maharashtra. Simple.

 

Hindi is not equated to any other lang. Which is why it is taught from a young age in state board. This has fostered what you call the 65%.

 

I also dont get point of comparison to south indian languages. Nobody is saying you need to be an expert in local lang. I think 5 years is enough for basic convo (like ordering food at restaurent) or buying groceries

 

 

 

[G_B_]

2 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

 

They're ignorant, educated but ignorant.

 

Hindi and English are spoken by majority % of population, but not all. People need to understand this.

 

Best solution for the language variance is to revive Sanskrit. It everyone a level playing field. But it will require massive effort from the central govt and regional political parties.

 

Make Sanskrit, English and the state language as mandatory for all states. Sanskrit will help us understanding the precious knowledge of vedas and puranas.

 

I fully agree.

[singhvivek141]

5 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

1.  Perhaps you should make exception for big cities like Mumbai kolkata Blore Hyd. Chennai in your view 

 

2.  Mumbai has 35% Marathi population,it straight away implies the rest 65% are more comfortable with Hindi vis a vis Marathi (your ex. Of TN folks in matunga)...even marathi boy khaire was speaking Hindi.

 

So, your view is more suited to villages , tier 3 cities , (not even to tier 2 cities like Nagpur)

 

3. It is a big and very obvious mistake to equate Hindi with any other language. It is a local south asian language already understood by 1/4th of humanity and by 99% of Indian youngsters.

 

4. You can't even compare marathi with Dravidian languages in terms of similarity with Hindi.

 

This has to happen organically bro.

 

I am a native Hindi speaker, but I know a basic Telugu to initiate and hold conversation and get my things done. I cant read or write Telugu, but many times just by showing an effort to speak Telugu, make people happy and they mix Hindi and English words in their sentences to make things easier for me.

 

I have even used Telugu in Karnataka and Tamil Nadu..whenever the need arose. And I am not joking, this helps a lot. 

 

Hindi resistance will continue to happen coz these states dont have any connectivity or incentive to learn.

[bsriharsha]

13 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

 

A lot of hindi speakers make fun of marathi version of Hindi. Ignore the effort made. My hindi is heavily "bambaiya" hindi which mixes many marathi and hindi words. I can understand what is said in hollywood movies etc but thats my level. I picked this up from my relatives in mumbai. Keep in mind, i have 0 need to learn hindi. But as the languages use same script (devnagri) it came without significant effort.

 

Had a few people who moved from Delhi to london make fun of the way i speak Hindi. Not in a malicious way (though there was a parent of a good friend who looked visibly unhappy). So the question is do make fun of the way these people speak English and end all sentences with "only".?

 

 

 

 

I've seen people make fun of my Hyderabadi Hindi as well. And that really takes the cake. 

 

Ignoring the idiosyncratic dialect that hyderabadi essentially is , the Hindi that we speak is really understood across India. 

[bsriharsha]

11 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Hindi and English are spoken by majority % of population, but not all. People need to understand this.

Not when you go into a south indian state minus Telangana. 

 

Anna , you've been there in Hyderabad so long that you fail to see the difference. And I still see those unpad gawars (with a degree no less) mocking my lingo. 

[bsriharsha]

Imposing Sanskrit in its present form would just be another way of imposition of Hindi. 

 

I know that a lot if not all of Telugu words are based in Sanskrit. But how many of those derivative words are actually used in Hindi ?

[bsriharsha]

And aren't the puranas available in Telugu as well ? 

[bsriharsha]

And one reason why despite being a teluguite , I regret not learning the script and learning to read and write. 

 

That was with my parents insisting on a one language formula when I was younger. 

 

I firmly believe right now that every Indian should learn his mother tongue. 

[bsriharsha]

19 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

am a native Hindi speaker, but I know a basic Telugu to initiate and hold conversation and get my things done. I cant read or write Telugu, but many times just by showing an effort to speak Telugu, make people happy and they mix Hindi and English words in their sentences to make things easier for me.

Am a non native Hindi speaker. Still know how to read and write in Hindi. I can speak pretty well in my mother tongue Telugu (due to the upbringing in the 90s where I wasn't given the opportunity to learn the script etc). 

 

I still regret that decision my parents have made. 

 

Nothing against Hindi but I should have had the opportunity to learn Telugu (which is a very beautiful language) totally.

[singhvivek141]

22 minutes ago, bsriharsha said:

Imposing Sanskrit in its present form would just be another way of imposition of Hindi. 

 

I know that a lot if not all of Telugu words are based in Sanskrit. But how many of those derivative words are actually used in Hindi ?

Tough to say.

These days Hindi words varies so much...lingua is completely different. That shuddh Hindi concept is dying.

In Varanasi you can still hear Sanskritized Hindi...travel 125 km westwards and in Prayagraj you'll see Englished Hindi...travel 330km North West and in Lucknow you will hear Urdu more and Hindi less.