Please no Chakri in Final

[Ultimate_Game]

6 hours ago, nitinbwj said:

SKY didn't even fire on the flattest of pattas. What a freeloader 

 

He and Abhishek are huge worry. Two walking wkts in the top 4. I would drop Abhishek, push Ishan up the order to open, play Tilak at 3 and have Rinku at 7.

[vvvslaxman]

47 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

He and Abhishek are huge worry. Two walking wkts in the top 4. I would drop Abhishek, push Ishan up the order to open, play Tilak at 3 and have Rinku at 7.

 

I backed him. But moment he started bowling seam up delivery he lost it. even the traditional darter Axar slowed up the pace got a wicket. You need bowlers who can slow up the dlievery against beastsly hitters

[Suhaan]

52 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

I backed him. But moment he started bowling seam up delivery he lost it. even the traditional darter Axar slowed up the pace got a wicket. You need bowlers who can slow up the dlievery against beastsly hitters

Bowled absolute filth,Bethell batted well but it was pure buffet bowling from Varun and Arshdeep

Varun looked worst of them all,if I have to rate all the spinners in this WC,I would rate him worst spinner to have played this WC ,he was bowling like Shadab level trash

[vvvslaxman]

9 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Bowled absolute filth,Bethell batted well but it was pure buffet bowling from Varun and Arshdeep

Varun looked worst of them all,if I have to rate all the spinners in this WC,I would rate him worst spinner to have played this WC ,he was bowling like Shadab level trash

If a bowler changes his bowling style then that is a red flag. Manoj prabakar started bowling off spin in 1996 after Jayasuriya assault.  He  lost all his confidence. Everyone was talking about keeping the ball away from arc he struggled.Because his strength is clean bowling batsman. What they have done is everyone started going deep into the crease and converted his good length into short ball whacked off the backfoot. He has no answer. He has no yorker like delivery . So no defensive option for him. I don't say he was bowling any different. Just that batsmen found a way on tracks that doesn't turn , that bounces optimally.

[FischerTal]

Mystery spinners become history quite easily once they are found out. Nothing beats a genuine leggie who can turn it on any pitch

[vvvslaxman]

All said and done Darryl Mitchell vs Kuldeep will be discussed. But even with that weakness i think Chakri should be given a break.  Ashwin is discussing elaborately about Varun C. I think he is not adapting or reading the batsman very well.  Sanju samson told him to take time. But he keeps rushing through the overs even when he travels.

 

 

[Suhaan]

5 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

If a bowler changes his bowling style then that is a red flag. Manoj prabakar started bowling off spin in 1996 after Jayasuriya assault.  He  lost all his confidence. Everyone was talking about keeping the ball away from arc he struggled.Because his strength is clean bowling batsman. What they have done is everyone started going deep into the crease and converted his good length into short ball whacked off the backfoot. He has no answer. He has no yorker like delivery . So no defensive option for him. I don't say he was bowling any different. Just that batsmen found a way on tracks that doesn't turn , that bounces optimally.

NZ plays Kuldeep quite well,Varun won't do any different than this

Im tempted to play Siraj at Ahmedabad infact

[vvvslaxman]

4 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

NZ plays Kuldeep quite well,Varun won't do any different than this

Im tempted to play Siraj at Ahmedabad infact

Same here. Pandya cannot be trusted always or Arshdeep with 3rd over. But you do need a mystery spinner when the heat is on. Kuldeep has to be risked.  If you watch how Fin Allen sets up against spinner that is the worst set up for Chakri. He will hit him for six sixes. He is very very close to stumps so that he can convert even full ball into short ball to whack it down the ground. It will be very very scary.

Edited March 6 by vvvslaxman

[Suhaan]

4 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Same here. Pandya cannot be trusted always or Arshdeep with 3rd over. But you do need a mystery spinner when the heat is on. Kuldeep has to be risked. 

They will surely have this in mind ,hope they don't bring in Washington for Abhishek instead

Doesn't matter Abhishek isnt making any difference but for sanity replace a batter with batter,don't thin your lineup which already hasn't fired (barring this game)

Edited March 6 by Suhaan

[Ultimate_Game]

7 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

NZ plays Kuldeep quite well,Varun won't do any different than this

Im tempted to play Siraj at Ahmedabad infact

 

Nahin, at Ahmedabad spinners are a better option. The pitch is on the slower side and pacers come on to the bat. Siraj will be hammered by NZ batters. Plus the ground is bigger so Varun will be a better option.

[Suhaan]

4 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Nahin, at Ahmedabad spinners are a better option. The pitch is on the slower side and pacers come on to the bat. Siraj will be hammered by NZ batters. Plus the ground is bigger so Varun will be a better option.

This is flawed logic,on these tacky surfaces pacers can be handy with their cutters and change of pace , offcourse Siraj isn't known for this but having played many games there with GT he certainly does know how to bowl there,plus,Varun has been terribly tripe, yesterday if you saw him ,batsmen just sat on their crease and he was still bowling way short 

You have made a very obvious point here,most captains will go for it but if the spinners available to you have shown that they aren't going to outbowl opposition spinners or even contain runs ,you have no choice left

[Ultimate_Game]

3 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

This is flawed logic,on these tacky surfaces pacers can be handy with their cutters and change of pace , offcourse Siraj isn't known for this but having played many games there with GT he certainly does know how to bowl there,plus,Varun has been terribly tripe, yesterday if you saw him ,batsmen just sat on their crease and he was still bowling way short 

You have made a very obvious point here,most captains will go for it but if the spinners available to you have shown that they aren't going to outbowl opposition spinners or even contain runs ,you have no choice left

 

Siraj is not a T20 bowler and is neither good at change of pace or bowling cutters. He's one of the most expensive bowlers in IPL and has never done much in T20s.

[cowboysfan]

on pattas in SMAT he was getting smoked by randos,only saving grace for the final is the pitch in Ahmedabad is slower than Mumbai and it might help him.

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, cowboysfan said:

on pattas in SMAT he was getting smoked by randos,only saving grace for the final is the pitch in Ahmedabad is slower than Mumbai and it might help him.

I think India needs some defensive options for road wickets. Almost every bowler we have are hittable on such surfaces. But you need intelligent bowler. Sundar of old was very intelligent. Current one is absolute trash.  

[vvvslaxman]

4 minutes ago, cowboysfan said:

on pattas in SMAT he was getting smoked by randos,only saving grace for the final is the pitch in Ahmedabad is slower than Mumbai and it might help him.

I am a bit worried about Finn Allen who camps on the backfoot against all spinners not just Varun. He has the belief that he can play any spinner from backfoot.

[Ultimate_Game]

4 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

I think India needs some defensive options for road wickets. Almost every bowler we have are hittable on such surfaces. But you need intelligent bowler. Sundar of old was very intelligent. Current one is absolute trash.  

 

Yup, his bowling has regressed so much! Earlier he was pretty good in PP overs and very tough to get away. He used to bowl a perfect line & length and now he bowls half-trackers or over-pitchs.

[Master_better]

7 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

I am a bit worried about Finn Allen who camps on the backfoot against all spinners not just Varun. He has the belief that he can play any spinner from backfoot.

He is very powerful too that's why he can easily tonk sixers to spinners while camping on backfoot . It is very difficult to contain him when in full flow on road wkts.

[Manucrick]

Don't want to change winning combination 

[bsriharsha]

Just Bumrah isn't enough to get us over the line. 

Plus the Panoti stadium , We aren't winning this one. 

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, bsriharsha said:

Just Bumrah isn't enough to get us over the line. 

Plus the Panoti stadium , We aren't winning this one. 

Yea you need 8 bankable overs bare minimum