Tri Nation A series in Srilanka | June 9th - June 21 | India, Srilanka, Afghanistan | 10 am IST | Dambulla

[Manucrick]

17 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Tilak has come clutch when it matters even in T20 WC.

He is Just 23 that folks often forget.  

There is room for improvement in ODIs but it's alright.  It's not like he will be playing 2027 WC.

 

His batting in t20 not a issue not a captain material 

[Manucrick]

49 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Naah. He's mentally tough and I will always pick him in T20s. But he's not a ODI player. His stats and performances back that up. Selectors need to differentiate across formats, which they've struggled with.

Young Kela was a good batter 

[tapandrun]

KL had everything to be Ind great, after sachin-dravid era him and rohit were 2 naturally good batters who had a completely game out-of the-box.

 

He had game vs pace and spin and he was good vs bounce and played in the top order. Someone with this ability at-least ends up being Ind great and with such bcci backing he could have been similar status to kolhi/rohit.

 

He was suited for all 3 frmts for the time. Do not think any 1 till may be jiswal comes close to be that good just on potential.

Edited June 16 by tapandrun

[Ultimate_Game]

24 minutes ago, Manucrick said:

Young Kela was a good batter 

 

Not like Tilak. He could never play the innings like the one Tilak played in Asia Cup final or like he played in recent WT20 against Eng. Tilak is mentally tougher and can be relied on to win matches. Not Kela. It's just that Tilak is not a ODI player and should be selected only in T20s.

[Ultimate_Game]

29 minutes ago, Manucrick said:

Battingwise I think he has an ice cold mentality in T20s, but as a captain Tilak is not good.

 

Fully agreed. A great batter (in T20s) but poor tactically as a captain.

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Not like Tilak. He could never play the innings like the one Tilak played in Asia Cup final or like he played in recent WT20 against Eng. Tilak is mentally tougher and can be relied on to win matches. Not Kela. It's just that Tilak is not a ODI player and should be selected only in T20s.

It is a bit like MSD vs DK. DK was technically better than MSD.

[Ultimate_Game]

53 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Yea.. padikkal deserved more than Tilak who has not really set the VH ablaze. He has consistently proved he is too slow for this format as he has no real in between tempo. They not selected him also made him captain. Choosing wrong captain has a much much wider impact than choosing wrong player. One can live with choosing TIlak as  ODI batsman. But he is tactically not sound to be a captain.

 

Padikkal has been hard done by the selectors. Padikkal averages 81 in List A from 47 matches with around 15 100s! Tilak in similar no. of matches averages 40 and at a lower SR. Selectors are pushing Tilak in ODIs based on his T20 performances when it's clear Padikkal is a much better ODI batter than Tilak.

[deathmonger]

1 minute ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Not like Tilak. He could never play the innings like the one Tilak played in Asia Cup final or like he played in recent WT20 against Eng. Tilak is mentally tougher and can be relied on to win matches. Not Kela. It's just that Tilak is not a ODI player and should be selected only in T20s.

Tilak is only 23. Plenty of time.

 

BCCI uses these tournaments for development, not winning.

 

That’s why Rutu wasn’t in the squad to begin with as he is already on the fringes of the main team and is “developed” (as can be seen by his performance as well).

[Ultimate_Game]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

It is a bit like MSD vs DK. DK was technically better than MSD.

 

Yeah and we all know whom we would back in a high-pressure match. DK nearly lost us the 2022 WT20 match against Pak (the Kohli special) where he couldn't even score 2 off 2 against part-timer Nawaz and was idiotically stumped! Thanks to Ashwin we won that match else mental midget DK had lost us the match which was won.

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Padikkal has been hard done by the selectors. Padikkal averages 81 in List A from 47 matches with around 15 100s! Tilak in similar no. of matches averages 40 and at a lower SR. Selectors are pushing Tilak in ODIs based on his T20 performances when it's clear Padikkal is a much better ODI batter than Tilak.

Tilak has bullied some poor teams. His record is so so against decent teams. HE doesn't have the tempo. Dare i say Sarfraz has a much better tempo in List A.

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Yeah and we all know whom we would back in a high-pressure match. DK nearly lost us the 2022 WT20 match against Pak (the Kohli special) where he couldn't even score 2 off 2 against part-timer Nawaz and was idiotically stumped! Thanks to Ashwin we won that match else mental midget DK had lost us the match which was won.

In 2019 even the washed up MSD would have been better batting up the order. 

[Ultimate_Game]

1 minute ago, deathmonger said:

Tilak is only 23. Plenty of time.

 

BCCI uses these tournaments for development, not winning.

 

That’s why Rutu wasn’t in the squad to begin with as he is already on the fringes of the main team and is “developed” (as can be seen by his performance as well).

 

He should be developed in domestics. Padikkal deserves to be in the squad based on his performances. Nowhere you will see a player averaging 40 trumps a player averaging 80 in the same no. of matches. Padikkal has not been picked for ODIs coz he's a poorer T20 batter. Let that sink in. Same with Sarfaraz in Tests where likes of Sai and Jurel have been preferred over him due to T20/IPL performances.

[Ultimate_Game]

Just now, vvvslaxman said:

In 2019 even the washed up MSD would have been better batting up the order. 

 

I would take a one legged MSD over mental midget DK. The only time I saw him perform was in warm ups or in that Nidhas tourney against B'desh.

[Ultimate_Game]

2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Tilak has bullied some poor teams. His record is so so against decent teams. HE doesn't have the tempo. Dare i say Sarfraz has a much better tempo in List A.

 

Everyone and their dog is better than Tilak in List A. Even SKY has better stats in List A than Tilak. But since Tilak is a better T20 batter he has been preferred over batters who're ahead of him in List A/ODIs.

[tapandrun]

4 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Padikkal has been hard done by the selectors. Padikkal averages 81 in List A from 47 matches with around 15 100s! Tilak in similar no. of matches averages 40 and at a lower SR. Selectors are pushing Tilak in ODIs based on his T20 performances when it's clear Padikkal is a much better ODI batter than Tilak.

Some players are being tried not their best format -- Rutu is v.good in List-A he was picked for t20is, Padikal was selected in test, Rajat was given chance in Odis and Tests not T20is seems like they are just giving them random chances jst to nt include them in the team where they can make a spot for themselves.

 

Even Tripathi didnt do much wrong in t20is but dropped after few games.

 

Sundar is playing all the formats

 

 

[tapandrun]

Tikal does not have game where he can play with high tempo with minimal risk be it t20s or Odis.  He is good when he just need to hit or he has a good start otherwise he just gets gets stuck.

 

Inability to score when he is not trying to hit will cause him issue when opp. teams start using this against him. Most Ind players are losing that kind of game where they can hit 4s playing ball along the ground , push ball into the gaps for 4s or 2s. This was the same issue great t20 wi players faced they were best when they were hitting but building partnership and hitting 4s through gaps was not that easy 

 

Thats why pure t20 players are not suited for Odis as there is nothing like v.good 40s.

Edited June 16 by tapandrun

[Gollum]

6 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

I would take a one legged MSD over mental midget DK. The only time I saw him perform was in warm ups or in that Nidhas tourney against B'desh.

DK was good in the 2007 Eng series. Top scored as opener, that is an underrated series win (in terms of difficulty, much better than 2009 win in NZ), our last in Eng. Also 2005 Eden vs Pak.

 

Real pity how his career turned out in the end. 

[vvvslaxman]

11 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Some players are being tried not their best format -- Rutu is v.good in List-A he was picked for t20is, Padikal was selected in test, Rajat was given chance in Odis and Tests not T20is seems like they are just giving them random chances jst to nt include them in the team where they can make a spot for themselves.

 

Even Tripathi didnt do much wrong in t20is but dropped after few games.

 

Sundar is playing all the formats

 

 

Venkatesh Iyer had decent outings in T20I before being discarded.  He still averages 33 at a strike rate of 162.

[tapandrun]

7 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Venkatesh Iyer had decent outings in T20I before being discarded.  He still averages 33 at a strike rate of 162.

Players like him should be always in the loop, a multi utility player who can bat a several slots and a LH 

[vvvslaxman]

It is fine and dandy to talk about fielidng 3 teams at the same time. But that is a useless talk if you don't get the structure right. That is where Indian selectors did a major eff up job in this A tour.