1979 fast bowling competition

[sage]

 

Edited Monday at 06:26 PM by sage

[sage]

| Rank | Bowler          | Speed (km/h) | Speed (mph) |
|------|-----------------|--------------|-------------|
| 1    | Jeff Thomson    | 147.9        | 91.86       |
| 2    | Michael Holding | 141.3        | 87.76       |
| 3    | Imran Khan      | 139.7        | 86.77       |
| 4    | Colin Croft     | 139.2        | 86.45       |
| 5    | Andy Roberts    | 138.6        | 86.08       |
| 6    | Dennis Lillee   | 136.4        | 84.72       |
| 7    | Garth Le Roux   | 135.9        | 84.46       |
| 8    | Wayne Daniel    | 133.5        | 82.91       |
| 9    | Len Pascoe      | 131.6        | 81.73       |
| 10   | Richard Hadlee  | 129.8        | 80.62       |
| 11   | Mike Procter    | 128.6        | 79.87       |
| 12   | Sarfraz Nawaz   | 121.7        | 75.63       |
```

[tapandrun]

4 hours ago, sage said:

| Rank | Bowler          | Speed (km/h) | Speed (mph) |
|------|-----------------|--------------|-------------|
| 1    | Jeff Thomson    | 147.9        | 91.86       |
| 2    | Michael Holding | 141.3        | 87.76       |
| 3    | Imran Khan      | 139.7        | 86.77       |
| 4    | Colin Croft     | 139.2        | 86.45       |
| 5    | Andy Roberts    | 138.6        | 86.08       |
| 6    | Dennis Lillee   | 136.4        | 84.72       |
| 7    | Garth Le Roux   | 135.9        | 84.46       |
| 8    | Wayne Daniel    | 133.5        | 82.91       |
| 9    | Len Pascoe      | 131.6        | 81.73       |
| 10   | Richard Hadlee  | 129.8        | 80.62       |
| 11   | Mike Procter    | 128.6        | 79.87       |
| 12   | Sarfraz Nawaz   | 121.7        | 75.63       |
```

 

So they produced 2 kind of results :

1: Fastest ball bowled

2: Overall fastest , an average of 6/8 valid balls bowled by the bowlers.

 

And all these are average speeds (d/t)from the release of the ball to reaching the stumps at the other end. 

 

 

1979 World's Fastest Bowler Contest — Modern-Style Estimates

Bowler	1979 contest reading	Approx.     modern-style speed
Jeff Thomson	147.9 km/h	~155–160+ km/h
Michael Holding	141.3 km/h	~150–155 km/h
Imran Khan	139.7 km/h	~145–150 km/h
Colin Croft	139.2 km/h	~145–150 km/h
Andy Roberts	138.6 km/h	~145–150 km/h
Dennis Lillee	136.4 km/h	~140–147 km/h

 

Edited Monday at 10:37 PM by tapandrun

[zen]

Kapil Dev did not get to bowl or he would have crossed 150kmph (per modern meter 160kmph) mark without breaking a sweat  

Edited Monday at 09:19 PM by zen

[tapandrun]

6 minutes ago, zen said:

Kapil Dev did not get to bowl or he would have crossed 150kmph (per modern meter 160kmph) mark without breaking a sweat  

It was part of pakker breakaway packer series, no ind player were given noc for that.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, tapandrun said:

 

 

 

And all these are average speeds from the release of the ball to reaching the stumps at the other end. 

 

 

 

There was no mention that these are average speeds from the release to the stumps.

 

 

[tapandrun]

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

 

 

There was no mention that these are average speeds from the release to the stumps.

 

 

 

there is whole video on yt, they took2/3 days to process results they told these are average speeds if recalling it correctly.

 

Edited Monday at 10:13 PM by tapandrun

[express bowling]

1 minute ago, tapandrun said:

 

there is whole video on yt, they took2/3 days to process results they told these are average speeds if recalling it correctly.

 

 

I saw that too. Could not find any mention.

 

And no way Imran was bowling 150 k+. He was never that quick and his quickest years were the early 1980s.

 

 

[tapandrun]

12 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

I saw that too. Could not find any mention.

 

And no way Imran was bowling 150 k+. He was never that quick and his quickest years were the early 1980s.

 

 

 

So, from modern understanding of there is no kinetic chain here for these bowler to be clocking 140+ kmph.  In modern terms only joffra comes close to be looking like not putting any effort still clocking 145+ kmph .

 

Not sure but think they also bowled diff length in this test. But historically on speedometer the fastest balls have been fuller in lenghts, all these bowlers were bowling bumpers and that will have slowed down the ball after pitching.

 

May be some1 with better understanding can explain where the pace is coming from, bt does not seem to match any modern bowler who bowls 145+ kmph. 

Imran may have been 26-27 when this tst was done.

 

Apart from Jeff everyone is same age range as modern fastest bowler bowled their fastest ball 24-26. Only exception is mark wood.

 

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 10:31 PM by tapandrun

[Suhaan]

2 hours ago, tapandrun said:

 

So, from modern understanding of there is no kinetic chain here for these bowler to be clocking 140+ kmph.  In modern terms only joffra comes close to be looking like not putting any effort still clocking 145+ kmph .

 

Not sure but think they also bowled diff length in this test. But historically on speedometer the fastest balls have been fuller in lenghts, all these bowlers were bowling bumpers and that will have slowed down the ball after pitching.

 

May be some1 with better understanding can explain where the pace is coming from, bt does not seem to match any modern bowler who bowls 145+ kmph. 

Imran may have been 26-27 when this tst was done.

 

Apart from Jeff everyone is same age range as modern fastest bowler bowled their fastest ball 24-26. Only exception is mark wood.

 

 

 

 

Generally pacers reach their peak pace at the age of 28-29

[tapandrun]

1 minute ago, Suhaan said:

Generally pacers reach their peak pace at the age of 28-29

the reach the pace peak from 24-26 , they reach their ability peak by 28-29 (this comes with experience)they still have similar range of pace may not be top pace but now they have acquired lot of skills

Edited yesterday at 01:27 AM by tapandrun

[singhvivek141]

5 hours ago, zen said:

Kapil Dev did not get to bowl or he would have crossed 150kmph (per modern meter 160kmph) mark without breaking a sweat  

Kapil was mostly a 130-135kph with quickest maybe 139-140.

Similar to Mohit Sharma.

[express bowling]

5 hours ago, tapandrun said:

 

Imran may have been 26-27 when this tst was done.

 

 

Imran himself said that he added extra pace very late in his career ( around 1980 ) and was a medium pacer early in his career.

 

 

[express bowling]

3 hours ago, tapandrun said:

the reach the pace peak from 24-26 , 

 

 

There is no rule.

 

Srinath was quickest in 1996 / 1997 when he was officially 27 / 28 and really 28 / 29.

 

Cummins was quickest at age 17.

 

Shami was at his quickest between 2015 to early 2022. Real age 27 to 34.

 

Tongue is becoming quicker as he nears 29.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 04:27 AM by express bowling

[tapandrun]

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

 

 

There is no rule.

 

Srinath was quickest in 1996 / 1997 when he was officially 27 / 28 and really 28 / 29.

 

Cummins was quickest at age 17.

 

Shami was at his quickest between 2015 to early 2022. Real age 27 to 34.

 

Tongue is becoming quicker as he nears 29.

 

 

yes there is no such rule its kind of natural be really fit and be in prime during 24-26 and by then added some exp. and skill be be really top of abilities by 27-29.

 

some peak really early , if not for distraction or major injuries they become true greats and some peak later. 

[tapandrun]

14 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Imran himself said that he added extra pace very late in his career ( around 1980 ) and was a medium pacer early in his career.

 

 

He may have been talking really early on his career, he was not really that good early on ,

 

1979-80 kind of same thing 

Edited yesterday at 04:34 AM by tapandrun

[Rightarmfast]

Imran Khan was a military medium bowler when he started off. About 115-125k's kinda bowler. It was only after John Snow trained him, he started bowling quicker.

Imran at his fastest, wasn't a genuine quickie. He would be Fast medium, with the ability to bowl around 145-147ish at times. ( And I have seen old interviews of Australian batsmen who played him at his quickest, calling him ' fast enough', but never calling him a tearaway).

My assumption is, Imran would have been similar to Ajit Agarkar in pace-138-142/143k's on an average. 

 

I don't know what is the difference in speeds when you measure the speed at batsmen's end, and when you do it at release point. But I do not think Imran was bowling 145-150 regularly, as mentioned above. 

Also, dont think WI pacers were bowling 155ish. 

 

[zen]

6 hours ago, tapandrun said:

the reach the pace peak from 24-26 , they reach their ability peak by 28-29 (this comes with experience)they still have similar range of pace may not be top pace but now they have acquired lot of skills

 

4 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Kapil was mostly a 130-135kph with quickest maybe 139-140.

Similar to Mohit Sharma.

Kapil = the King of Trundlers. I am  practicing the social media fakology where people make tall claims  

 

 

[govinda]

3 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

Imran Khan was a military medium bowler when he started off. About 115-125k's kinda bowler. It was only after John Snow trained him, he started bowling quicker.

Imran at his fastest, wasn't a genuine quickie. He would be Fast medium, with the ability to bowl around 145-147ish at times. ( And I have seen old interviews of Australian batsmen who played him at his quickest, calling him ' fast enough', but never calling him a tearaway).

My assumption is, Imran would have been similar to Ajit Agarkar in pace-138-142/143k's on an average. 

 

I don't know what is the difference in speeds when you measure the speed at batsmen's end, and when you do it at release point. But I do not think Imran was bowling 145-150 regularly, as mentioned above. 

Also, dont think WI pacers were bowling 155ish. 

 

Imran was said to be bowling at bumrah's pace. He was at his quickest by 1982. Even sunny g said imran was super fast during 82/83 series

[singhvivek141]

2 hours ago, zen said:

 

Kapil = the King of Trundlers. I am  practicing the social media fakology where people make tall claims  

 

 

I believe real king of trundlers were Venkatesh Prasad & Manoj Prabhakar. Barely clocking 120s.

 

Kapil was mostly like Pollock or Vaas, both were in 130-140 at the start, by the time they retired they became 120-130. I think Kapil was decently quick till his 1986-87 injury. After that he became slow...even his numbers nosedived after 1986-87 if I am not wrong.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 10:20 AM by singhvivek141