flamy Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 The issue is semantics. Official language is a language standard used only in (Central) Government documents. By no means it is an indication to external world that “India speaks Hindi” .
The Outsider Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 because they disagree with it .. and I can understand why. How would I feel if tomorrow my kids living in delhi are forced to learn telegu ... I mean how will it help them get good jobs in Delhi ? I'm done....I guess you did not read my posts. But just to clarify, you want to change something all power to you but why deny it?
The Outsider Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 The issue is semantics. Official language is a language standard used only in (Central) Government documents. By no means it is an indication to external world that “India speaks Hindi†. Who said that "India speaks Hindi" - but we have people in this very thread not recognizing Hindi as the official language clumping it with 18-20 others.
flamy Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 Who said that "India speaks Hindi" - but we have people in this very thread not recognizing Hindi as the official language clumping it with 18-20 others. Which is why I said, it was semantics. When you call Hindi the national language, you can't blame foreigners for expecting you to know Hindi.
Desi Cartman Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 Who said that "India speaks Hindi" - but we have people in this very thread not recognizing Hindi as the official language clumping it with 18-20 others. I think the confusion is about 2 things * Hindi is national language or not : well it is and it is because its the most commonly used along with english I guess. So what problem can south Indians have with that ? *South Indians are being forced to learn hindi : there will be many south Indians who would like to learn hindi but then there are people who dont wish to and I dont see anything wrong with either. If there was an attempt to have just 1 national language spoken in every part of India then that attempt has failed. I think we are better off teaching english and a regional language in schools with Hindi as optional in non hindi speaking states
Desi Cartman Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 Which is why I said' date=' it was semantics. When you call Hindi the national language, you can't blame foreigners for expecting you to know Hindi.[/quote'] by foreigners you mean Spanish speaking Americans or English speaking Americans :hmmm:
flamy Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 by foreigners you mean Spanish speaking Americans or English speaking Americans :hmmm: Indian speaking American Indians
Desi Cartman Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 Indian speaking American Indians I guess North Indians have this idea that south Indians understand hindi ... I did as well till I met some of the south Indians in Aus. Its ok to be surprised but if someone says that makes you less patriotic then its just stupid. I have not met an Indian yet who says that people who can not understand and write hindi are less Indian.
flamy Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 I guess North Indians have this idea that south Indians understand hindi ... I did as well till I met some of the south Indians in Aus. Its ok to be surprised but if someone says that makes you less patriotic then its just stupid. I have not met an Indian yet who says that people who can not understand and write hindi are less Indian. Well... my gujju roomies were flabbergasted at my Hindi and are not too happy at me picking up Gujju so easily (knowing Hindi helps with Gujju) They say I'm impure south Indian :D
Rajiv Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 Speaking of HINDI, does everyone speak pure Hindi... I for sure, can't understand many words ( like politicians say shauchalay, mantralay, mutralay ), I can never read hindi text comfortably At best, I know chalo hindi..one of the benefits of living in a multi-cosmo place like Mumbai where there is no dominant lingo unlike places like delhi where there is 'ing punju dialect. South and Kolkatta have their respective lingo How is bangalore..they dont speak in 011110001000 do they?
Rajiv Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 I guess North Indians have this idea that south Indians understand hindi ... I did as well till I met some of the south Indians in Aus. Its ok to be surprised but if someone says that makes you less patriotic then its just stupid. I have not met an Indian yet who says that people who can not understand and write hindi are less Indian. Having lived at diff places abroad, one of the serious qualms I have with north Indians is that they assume everyone speaks Punjabi! I can agree that its quiet easy to understand but no chance I will ever be able to converse in it
flamy Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 Speaking of HINDI, does everyone speak pure Hindi... I for sure, can't understand many words ( like politicians say shauchalay, mantralay, mutralay ), I can never read hindi text comfortably At best, I know chalo hindi..one of the benefits of living in a multi-cosmo place like Mumbai where there is no dominant lingo unlike places like delhi where there is 'ing punju dialect. South and Kolkatta have their respective lingo How is bangalore..they dont speak in 011110001000 do they? :haha::haha::haha::haha: racist!:omg: In B'lore we mostly speak English, Kannada and Telugu/Tamil. The Hindi you'd come across would be the 'chalta-hai' type. I hardly ever spoke Hindi when I was in B'lore. I started speaking Hindi again after coming to US. In Hyderabad, you'd find many Urdu speakers, I guess. in b4 the telangana factionist nikred corrects me.
Don Sharma Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 Sharma knows no Hindi?? I only know to bowl @180+ks:((
amits Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 i know pure hindi(or shuddh hindi as i should say) and there r some people who mix 2-3 languages in 1 sentence & speak. some of them even go a bit far & speak 2 languages in the same word itself
DomainK Posted May 6, 2009 Author Posted May 6, 2009 I am not so bad with Hindi. My other tongue is Oriya. By the time I was 10, I was quite fluent with Hindi. I had studied Oriya literature well and the basics of both Oriya and Hindi are quite the same. So I dont find Hindi a difficult language.
fineleg Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 You need to know 3 languages (at a minimum) in India: 1. English (without this you are essentially a village idiot) 2. Regional language (without this you are a local idiot) 3. Hindi (if you need to travel to a hindi speaking part of the county). This ofc is optional, thankfully. Sorry to burst of the bubble of the chest-thumping "Hindi is the National language" crowd. It is not. It is however an official language, not because everyone has to officially know it, cause we have several village babu politicians who can't speak in coherent english even if their life depended on it. Here is some info on the languages for those interested: http://www.indiabook.com/india-information/official-language.html India has 18 Recognized Officially Spoken Languages. However, English continues to be an accepted means of communication. . Don't know if this proves it, but the author seems to have been in an illusionary boat as you and has realized what the rest of us knew all along: http://www.merinews.com/catFull.jsp?articleID=126953 FOR THE PAST 21 years, I have been under the impression that Hindi is the national language of India. Just a couple of days back I realised that India does not have a national language. I felt ashamed. How come I did not know this? Thank God, I am not alone in this. My friends are also under the impression that Hindi is the Raashtra Bhasha of India. Also, I can safely conclude that more than half of India’s population is under the same impression. Oh, come on, India! Thanks for finding and posting this info, Yoda :thumbs_up:
Gambit Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 Article 343 of the constitution specifies that the official language of the Union shall be Hindi in Devanagari script यहाँ पे जो भी शुद्ध हिंदी मैं वार्तालाप करने योग्य नहीं है, उन्हें अभी इसी समय कला पानी की सजाह सुनायी जाती है. ठीकहैधन्यवादनमस्कार
DomainK Posted May 6, 2009 Author Posted May 6, 2009 BTW....when exactly did I open this thread?:dontknow:
ViruRulez Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 this discussion about tamil Vs Hindi here is no way better than Thackery shouting Marathi only :hitler: :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:
ViruRulez Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 The issue is semantics. Official language is a language standard used only in (Central) Government documents. By no means it is an indication to external world that “India speaks Hindi” . The fact is that English is still used for most activities in India even though Hindi is the official languages.. how many offices use Hindi .. almost nil .. all use English .. how many Indian websites do you find in Hindi .. almost nil .. so ultimately the most used language for documentation or writing purposes is still English to be frank .. I can bet most educated Indians do not remember basics of Hindi ... even most North Indians do not know to write Hindi properly and I can say that from my personal experiences But the problem is that in villages etc. most people do not know English .. and the problem is that Hindi or regional languages are taught in most schools instead of English .. this is real BS .. we have to acknowledge that English is the common language in all over India and it is better to teach English as the first language in all primary languages .. anyways I find English much more easier than Hindi or regional languages .. I dont know why central and state govts. still keep English as the secondary language in most schools .. its time India realizes that English should be taught in every school including govt. schools as the primary language as it is the only common language in India
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