Mark Rampymple

[goose]

If I'm speaking out of turn, I'm sure mods will edit appropriately. Does a cricketer of Asian descent have to work extra hard, and be extra talented to remain a fixture in the England side? I say the answer is an unequivocal yes. Check out this list - I'm sure I've left a few out. Monty Panesar Sajid Mahmood Kabir Ali Usman Afzaal Mark Ramprakash Nasser Hussain Owais Shah Vikram Solanki Adil Rashid It just seems to me these guys never got the same amount of rope other 'English' players got. These guys literally needed their bats (or balls) do the talking. Being a player of character or long term promise a la Paul Collingwood never came into it. Two notable exceptions - Hussain and Panesar. The former was an utter bastard by all accounts, and the latter was practically selected by the media but even that could not delay his inevitable demotion to second choice spinner. I predicted long ago that Monty's international career would be ended by the first sighting of a half-decent alternative. It's very hard for a British Asian to flourish. Ashish Giles and Paul Collingpath would have been sidelined many moons ago. The side is clearly not averse to including white players of foreign descent e.g. A. Lamb, G. Hick, R. Smith, K. Peitersen. Mark Rampymple, English mother notwithstanding, has a far better chance than Mark Ramprakash of selection in the 5th Ashes test.

[iHammad]

100 % correct. I agree with you

[goose]

100 % correct. I agree with you

f%ck.

[iHammad]

f%ck.

did i say something wrong?:nervous::((:((

[Sachinism]

I agree to an extent. Some of them were unlucky they never got their England career off with a bang. People like Bell get chance after chance after chance. I believe Owais Shah is extremely talented, he has shown quite often he has it but has often disappointed too, but there are others who have disappointed far more often and still made it to the side. You're right Panesar was in the side because of the media hype. He is not good enough IMO to be playing at international level. But he plays quite a bit, if some of the English commentators got their way he would have been out of the side a long time ago.

[goose]

I forgot that fat git Samit Patel. Now if only he was as slim as Robert Key !

[Sooda]

Im not sure I do agree. A few in your list are genuinely not good enough. Solanki for instance got his chances- he should perhaps have been given a long steady run but he kept throwing away starts, i remember a cracking century he scored vs Seth Efrica long ago, sadly couldnt build on that. Usman was another talented player, but like Samit cant seem to keep himself fit. Sajid im not sure if he was international class, a less pacy version of Harmison. Owais has been unlucky Imho he's good player, but still in the ODI squads. Bopara has been given a good run, and he'll be in the ODI team for a bit im sure. Then there are Amjad Khan who should never have been near the test team but was. There are a few exciting youngsters of Asian origin coming through- Moeen Ali (I think his name), and A guy called Chopra, Vinod chopra maybe. Theyve been in U19 teams.

[Ram]

England in general has experienced so much churn with regards to its cricketers that there is bound to be lots of players who were in and out of the side. We can point out to so non-Asian cricketers who couldn’t cement their places in the side (the Hollioake brothers, James Foster, Geraint Jones, Mal Loye, Robert Key, Alex Tudor, Jamie Darlymple, Tim Bresnan, Phil Mustard, Paul Nixon, Jon Lewis, Ed Joyce, Liam Plunkett etc..)

[Sooda]

Aye^ good point thats a whole list of players who have seen international cricket briefly and might not again. they do make some random selections. Richard Johnson, Saggers, Ed Giddins, Shaun Udal, to add to that...

[multani]

Sajid Mahmood was a good express pacer prospect for the English. There was an instance where the captain didnt give the ball to him for a long period. Perhaps it was during the Ashes in Australia. He was asked what you thought of it, and his reply was didnt know what I was doing out there. However, the OP may be a bit harsh in the anlyses. Monty Panesar - had a good run until Swann came. Where both of them played alongside, more times than not, Swann has outperformed Monty. Another negative for Monty is his batting and bowling. Sajid Mahmood Good prospect but with the likes of Anderson, Harmison, Flintoff, his role in the bowling composition was somewhat questioned back then. And then, there were times when wickets just never came for this tall bowler. He used to extract good bounce and pace but that was all. Kabir Ali Never really got opportunities to express himself. Ok, the list is too big but the likes of Solanki, Monty, Sajjad, Shah got their opportunites but never captalized on those. Usman Afzaal Mark Ramprakash Nasser Hussain Owais Shah Vikram Solanki Adil Rashid

[sangrock]

This is the reason Kabir Ali never made it back.. :haha: Vikram Solanki got many chances in (50+ ODIs and never performed upto mark - avg. 27) nor was he destructive enough up the order. Owais Shah is still in their ODI scheme of plans (but he doesn't look to be a good test batsman, nonetheless a very good ODI player) Adil Rashid is too young and cannot be commented upon. Nasser Hussain was a bastard - that is a fact. Monty has been overshadowed by in-form Swann but I think he'll be back.

[DomainK]

The fact that one of those in that list went on to captain England proves that there is no bias.

[rahuliverpool]

After this test, Bopara maybe added to the list. A few years later someone might say that Bopara wasn't given a good chance when it is clear that he has just not performed.

[Sachinism]

^^ Even if Bopara gets dropped now, he'll be back.

[Texy]

Mark Ramprakash seems to be a serious option for the selectors now!!

[goose]

It's quite astonishing how ex-players and pundits everywhere have been so unequivocal in declaring Ramprakash as the best batsman bar none in the country, even better than the 'great' Kevin Pietersen. It seems to me that the nation wants to pay homage to a batting phenomenon. Don't know about you but I'd love to see him bat. I think the world stage has been missing a star. ps. Isn't Flintoff about to play a one-off test ?

[riya]

Ramprakash was very unlucky as a debutant.He was too young and had to face the fiery Ambrose and Ws.He really got tested badly and it affected his confidence in a big way.Had he been started this time around he would have been a leading batsman of this era.

[Texy]

didn't know Ramprakash is married to a desi girl named Vandana and has two daughters! wow

[Gambit]

England is yet to produce an Indian/Pak cricketer that could walk into either the India or Pak squad. 99%(not including Nasser) of them thus far have been mostly mediocre with the odd good performance here and there. How Min Patel got capped will remain one of cricket's biggest mysteries. Monty's been the best of that lot but even his time has come. IMO Owais Shah seems to be the most promising bat and Samit the most promising bowler. I'm simply loving the Ramprakash hysteria though. The guy is being put under immense pressure and being heralded as some Ashes winning messiah. Any takers on him not crossing double figures in either innings if he plays? :winky:

[Ram]

didn't know Ramprakash is married to a desi girl named Vandana and has two daughters! wow

Whats that got to do with anything?