ViruRulez Posted September 15, 2009 Posted September 15, 2009 how the hell have we lost 3 points wid one loss? n same question as domainK will we be no.1 if we win tomorrow? I am also confused .. how did we lose three points in a single loss while with one win in the final we only got one point :blink:
Sachinism Posted September 15, 2009 Posted September 15, 2009 Maybe because we lost to crap team :giggle: j/k No idea
Tapioca Posted September 15, 2009 Posted September 15, 2009 I am also confused .. how did we lose three points in a single loss while with one win in the final we only got one point :blink: After the first match, India was on 128 and SL on 106 or so. Since we lost to a team that was ranked a long way below us, we lost several points. Since we were "expected" to win against them, the final did not bring in too many points.
Lord Posted September 15, 2009 Posted September 15, 2009 After the first match' date=' India was on 128 and SL on 106 or so. Since we lost to a team that was ranked a long way below us, we lost several points. Since we were "expected" to win against them, the final did not bring in too many points.[/quote'] but we won the tournament n that too in SL's den,shouldnt that give more points than one
coffee_rules Posted September 15, 2009 Posted September 15, 2009 but we won the tournament n that too in SL's den' date='shouldnt that give more points than one[/quote'] The points don't consider home v/w away stat. It's a stupid system that ICC is trying to promote along with sites like CI.
coffee_rules Posted September 15, 2009 Posted September 15, 2009 but we won the tournament n that too in SL's den' date='shouldnt that give more points than one[/quote'] The points don't consider home v/w away stat or a dead rubber match v/s a final. It's a stupid system that ICC is trying to promote along with sites like CI.
Lord Posted September 15, 2009 Posted September 15, 2009 The points don't consider home v/w away stat or a dead rubber match v/s a final. It's a stupid system that ICC is trying to promote along with sites like CI. that is ridiculous.no wonder SL r 2nd in test rankings
Jersey #10 Posted September 15, 2009 Posted September 15, 2009 how the hell have we lost 3 points wid one loss? n same question as domainK will we be no.1 if we win tomorrow? The points system is complex and it takes many things into account. for example, if Kenya goes on to beat SA, Kenya would gain like 15 points while SA would lose like 10. which also makes sense! If SA beats Kenya, SA would gain like 0.5 points or less while Kenya would lose like 0.2 points or something. same thing happened here. India lost a minnow team thats why we lost 3 points but when you beat SL you dont gain those 3 points back because you are already ahead of SL and expected to win. so basicallly, a team like SA can not climb up the ladder by beating really bad teams compared to beating teams like aus and India. This is fair and makes sense. The bigger team you beat the more points you get and you get less points for beating smaller/minnow teams. you can't win the same points by beating Kenya as to beating Australia...which would be stupid and unfair. playing home or away is not taken into account because as an International team you are supposed to be on top of your game regardless of the venue. Australia remained at number one for a long time because they beat every one away and home all the time. winning the tournament final is also counted as one single ODI game so that winning finals cant put you on the top, you have to be on the top winning every thing that comes your way. :yes: If I am not wrong, the system also takes account of the margin you lose or win by. :yes: I feel that its a smart system and analyzes all the teams in the right manner :two_thumbs_up:
Lord Posted September 16, 2009 Posted September 16, 2009 The points system is complex and it takes many things into account. for example, if Kenya goes on to beat SA, Kenya would gain like 15 points while SA would lose like 10. which also makes sense! If SA beats Kenya, SA would gain like 0.5 points or less while Kenya would lose like 0.2 points or something. same thing happened here. India lost a minnow team thats why we lost 3 points but when you beat SL you dont gain those 3 points back because you are already ahead of SL and expected to win. so basicallly, a team like SA can not climb up the ladder by beating really bad teams compared to beating teams like aus and India. This is fair and makes sense. The bigger team you beat the more points you get and you get less points for beating smaller/minnow teams. you can't win the same points by beating Kenya as to beating Australia...which would be stupid and unfair. agree with this part playing home or away is not taken into account because as an International team you are supposed to be on top of your game regardless of the venue. Australia remained at number one for a long time because they beat every one away and home all the time. this is where have the problem.home n away r different things. beating Aus in Aus is much tougher than beating them at home.do u really think SL r second best test team,all they have been doing is beating teams at home.obviously every host team has the home advantage n that cant be ignored winning the tournament final is also counted as one single ODI game so that winning finals cant put you on the top, you have to be on the top winning every thing that comes your way. :yes: If I am not wrong, the system also takes account of the margin you lose or win by. :yes: I feel that its a smart system and analyzes all the teams in the right manner :two_thumbs_up: u mean winning the final is simlar to a dead rubber game.how smart that is:giggle:
The Outsider Posted September 16, 2009 Posted September 16, 2009 playing home or away is not taken into account because as an International team you are supposed to be on top of your game regardless of the venue. Australia remained at number one for a long time because they beat every one away and home all the time. Winning away from home has traditionally been difficult for all teams and a ranking system which does not take into account this very basic facet of cricket is flawed. winning the tournament final is also counted as one single ODI game so that winning finals cant put you on the top, you have to be on the top winning every thing that comes your way. :yes: There are extra points awarded for winning the series, point allocation is higher for bigger tournaments like Champions Trophy and World Cup. If I am not wrong, the system also takes account of the margin you lose or win by. :yes: No it does not. 1 run = 100 runs. I feel that its a smart system and analyzes all the teams in the right manner :two_thumbs_up: It's alright but has a lot of room for improvement.
Jersey #10 Posted September 16, 2009 Posted September 16, 2009 agree with this part this is where have the problem.home n away r different things. beating Aus in Aus is much tougher than beating them at home.do u really think SL r second best test team,all they have been doing is beating teams at home.obviously every host team has the home advantage n that cant be ignored u mean winning the final is simlar to a dead rubber game.how smart that is:giggle: well..please try to understand that India is an International team. home and away are different things but common you need to realize that even in India all the tracks are not the same. All the tracks are different and what are the chances that all the players from Indian team has played on all of the Indian tracks? and how many have really played enough games on each track to really understand each and every track as far as the technicality is concerned? as far as I understand this, all the games, regardless of final or not are given the same amount of weight. again, I might be wrong so proper clarification would be awesome. :two_thumbs_up: There are extra points awarded for winning the series, point allocation is higher for bigger tournaments like Champions Trophy and World Cup. I am not too sure on this...please clarify. :two_thumbs_up: No it does not. 1 run = 100 runs. what do you mean? for me the system rocks :--D
Celeste Posted September 16, 2009 Posted September 16, 2009 India is # 3 in rankings. Aus is # 2. http://www.cricinfo.com/ci-icc/content/page/211271.html
The Outsider Posted September 16, 2009 Posted September 16, 2009 I am not too sure on this...please clarify. :two_thumbs_up: Teams get extra points for winning a series/tournament. For example if a team wins 2-1 it will get the 2 points for the win and also some extra for winning the series, but if it's 2-2 they will just get the points for the win. Matches played as part of the bigger tournaments like Champions Trophy and World Cup have more points at stake than say some match being played in a bilateral series. what do you mean? The margin of victory is irrelevant - same number of points are awarded whether a team wins by 1 run or by 100 runs.
The Outsider Posted September 16, 2009 Posted September 16, 2009 Damn Pommies!! Touche - I thought they would be able to defend 300 at the very least. I can't believe we actually lost a series to these guys last time we played there.
jusarrived Posted September 16, 2009 Posted September 16, 2009 CT should settle who the no1 is , think its fair ...for me only SA can match us , that only playing in SA ...we are a much better balanced team than the rest
Prudent Posted September 18, 2009 Posted September 18, 2009 Australia is #1 now http://icc-cricket.yahoo.net/match_zone/team_ranking.php
newmanthepunter Posted September 18, 2009 Posted September 18, 2009 Aus - Numero UNO RSA - 2nd India - 3rd now. :giggle:
coffee_rules Posted September 18, 2009 Posted September 18, 2009 Yo Neonazi! (as you say in your Avatar)!: WHen AUs visits India for 7-ODI match series this year, India will be more than happy to trade places with Aus. Who knows we might do it in CT itself.
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