Desi Cartman Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 HYDERABAD: The great Indian divide along north-south lines now stands blurred. A pathbreaking study by Harvard and indigenous researchers on ancestral Indian populations says there is a genetic relationship between all Indians and more importantly, the hitherto believed ``fact'' that Aryans and Dravidians signify the ancestry of north and south Indians might after all, be a myth. ``This paper rewrites history... there is no north-south divide,'' Lalji Singh, former director of the Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology (CCMB) and a co-author of the study, said at a press conference here on Thursday. Senior CCMB scientist Kumarasamy Thangarajan said there was no truth to the Aryan-Dravidian theory as they came hundreds or thousands of years after the ancestral north and south Indians had settled in India. The study analysed 500,000 genetic markers across the genomes of 132 individuals from 25 diverse groups from 13 states. All the individuals were from six-language families and traditionally ``upper'' and ``lower'' castes and tribal groups. ``The genetics proves that castes grew directly out of tribe-like organizations during the formation of the Indian society,'' the study said. Thangarajan noted that it was impossible to distinguish between castes and tribes since their genetics proved they were not systematically different. The study was conducted by CCMB scientists in collaboration with researchers at Harvard Medical School, Harvard School of Public Health and the Broad Institute of Harvard and MIT. It reveals that the present-day Indian population is a mix of ancient north and south bearing the genomic contributions from two distinct ancestral populations - the Ancestral North Indian (ANI) and the Ancestral South Indian (ASI). ``The initial settlement took place 65,000 years ago in the Andamans and in ancient south India around the same time, which led to population growth in this part,'' said Thangarajan. He added, ``At a later stage, 40,000 years ago, the ancient north Indians emerged which in turn led to rise in numbers here. But at some point of time, the ancient north and the ancient south mixed, giving birth to a different set of population. And that is the population which exists now and there is a genetic relationship between the population within India.'' The study also helps understand why the incidence of genetic diseases among Indians is different from the rest of the world. Singh said that 70% of Indians were burdened with genetic disorders and the study could help answer why certain conditions restricted themselves to one population. For instance, breast cancer among Parsi women, motor neuron diseases among residents of Tirupati and Chittoor, or sickle cell anaemia among certain tribes in central India and the North-East can now be understood better, said researchers. The researchers, who are now keen on exploring whether Eurasians descended from ANI, find in their study that ANIs are related to western Eurasians, while the ASIs do not share any similarity with any other population across the world. However, researchers said there was no scientific proof of whether Indians went to Europe first or the other way round. Migratory route of Africans Between 135,000 and 75,000 years ago, the East-African droughts shrunk the water volume of the lake Malawi by at least 95%, causing migration out of Africa. Which route did they take? Researchers say their study of the tribes of Andaman and Nicobar islands using complete mitochondrial DNA sequences and its comparison those of world populations has led to the theory of a ``southern coastal route'' of migration from East Africa through India. This finding is against the prevailing view of a northern route of migration via Middle East, Europe, south-east Asia, Australia and then to India. :WTF: south Indians = North Indians ... I iz sad .. :nervous: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punjabi_khota Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Most modern historians don't agree with aryan divide theory, AFAIK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desi Cartman Posted September 25, 2009 Author Share Posted September 25, 2009 Most modern historians don't agree with aryan divide theory' date=' AFAIK.[/quote'] but PK this will have implications on how we treat southies here .... now they will think they are like us :(( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hiten. Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 but PK this will have implications on how we treat southies here .... now they will think they are like us :(( Keyword. But they aren't :hysterical: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomainK Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 but PK this will have implications on how we treat southies here .... now they will think they are like us :(( Keyword. But they aren't :hysterical: This is wild speculation. ICF will be in a mess if northis = southies. This is a conspiracy against ICF.:protest: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Outsider Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Why the frack are the Easties and Westies so interested in this thread? :hmmm: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 :finger: to all non-southies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desi Cartman Posted September 25, 2009 Author Share Posted September 25, 2009 :finger: to all non-southies. :sniffle: stop the keyboad abusing ... :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikred Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Why the frack are the Easties and Westies so interested in this thread? :hmmm: They are northie wannabes. :phehehe: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hiten. Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Why the frack are the Easties and Westies so interested in this thread? :hmmm: because we have GOD....tumhare paas kya hain :haha: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomainK Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Why the frack are the Easties and Westies so interested in this thread? :hmmm: We are the ones who enjoy the fight with popcorn and coke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludhianvi Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 because we have GOD....tumhare paas kya hain :haha: Bigger than God, Mere pass Maa (Mother) hai :D P.S This is in reference to a famous Hindi dialogue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hiten. Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Bigger than God, Mere pass Maa (Mother) hai :D P.S This is in reference to a famous Hindi dialogue ..humare paas rajMA hain :hehe: P.S: Stolen from MTV spoofs :giggle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desi Cartman Posted September 25, 2009 Author Share Posted September 25, 2009 thread derailed . Im disappointed with you guys :wall: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamy Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 :hitler: This is not cool, yo. Now, who can I make fun of? :(( The northies are so fun to piss off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laaloo Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 :hitler: This is not cool, yo. Now, who can I make fun of? :(( The northies are so fun to piss off ille pille ille pode ille pille Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikred Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 thread derailed . Im disappointed with you guys :wall: Alright my take on this. How is it even remotely possible for two distinct races to flourish for thousands of years on a stretch of land with no physical obstacle between them. If it wasn't for the Himalayan range even the Chinese and the Indians would have intermixed. :hatsoff: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punjabi_khota Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Alright my take on this. How is it even remotely possible for two distinct races to flourish for thousands of years on a stretch of land with no physical obstacle between them. If it wasn't for the Himalayan range even the Chinese and the Indians would have intermixed. :hatsoff: The question was not if north and south have mixed throughout the centuries (ofcourse they have to a certain degree). The question was if northern and southern people had different origins. And to challenge your claim, how much % of people from (TN,AP,Kerala,Karnataka) do you think marry people from (J&K, Punjab, HP, UP). ? What do you think was the that %age 50 years ago(i.e. before industrialization of India, IT revolution etc. ) See my point ? There are more factors working here than just geographical boundaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikred Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 The question was not if north and south have mixed throughout the centuries (ofcourse they have to a certain degree). The question was if northern and southern people had different origins. And to challenge your claim, how much % of people from (TN,AP,Kerala,Karnataka) do you think marry people from (J&K, Punjab, HP, UP). ? What do you think was the %age 50 years ago before industrialization, IT revolution etc. See my point ? There are more factors working here than just geographical boundaries. I think the article is also to do with Aryans = northies, Dravidians = Southies. See the bolded part by Desi. Coming to the second part. The question should be, Were the southies always living in the south? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamy Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 I always thought Aryans came from outside... and the Dravidians were already in India.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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