Is IPL one of the reasons for India's dismal performance in World T20, 2010?

[Precambrian]

I am sorry if I don't have a creative enough mind to come up with fabrications like Uthappa is a better player than Sehwag' date=' Harris and Malinga are test regulars, and India does not play cricket between June and September. I like to use facts to base my opinions on while you resort to lying and evasion. When you do that sort of a thing don't be surprised if more people take the mickey out of you.[/quote'] Aye whatever floats your boat. Not to forget your gems like "Shane Watson is at his peak and hence can play more amount of cricket than Dhoni and Raina" or the gold of all them "IPL has made players fatigued", or "Sehwag was disallowed to by BCCI because he IS fatigued" etc. Carry on, by the way, you're being dishonest with what is there in your signature. Please add "In T20 cricket". Think you are being selective and evasive now. Bye Bye thread, or I hope.

[The Outsider]

Not to forget your gems like "Shane Watson is at his peak and hence can play more amount of cricket than Dhoni and Raina"

Pretty much a given. A player in form will be able to overcome fatigue more easily than an out of form player. But regardless, what did Watson end up with - getting smacked around for 10 RPO in the tournament and 2 good innings with the bat? The only player with a comparable workload to Indian players who did well was Hussey. If you are going to base your case on one exception, kudos to you!

or the gold of all them "IPL has made players fatigued",

It added to their fatigue.

or "Sehwag was disallowed to by BCCI because he IS fatigued" etc.

If Sehwag had not featured in the IPL, he would have a 2 month rest and would have been less liable to fatigue for BCCI to put a stop on him and all other players who were due to feature in county cricket.

Carry on, by the way, you're being dishonest with what is there in your signature. Please add "In T20 cricket". Think you are being selective and evasive now. Bye Bye thread, or I hope.

It's an exact quote from your earlier post. But even in T20 it's a laughable notion. Good riddance. Hopefully, won't be getting drawn into a time wasting discussion with a liar anytime soon once I can conclude my posts in the other thread.

[Precambrian]

Pretty much a given. A player in form will be able to overcome fatigue more easily than an out of form player. But regardless' date=' what did Watson end up with - getting smacked around for 10 RPO in the tournament and 2 good innings with the bat? [/quote']

The only player with a comparable workload to Indian players who did well was Hussey. If you are going to base your case on one exception, kudos to you!

Or White, or Johnson, Or Raina, Or Dhoni, Or Jayawardena.....Better than "zero" evidence on which you seem to have built your cas(tl)e in thin air..:two_thumbs_up:

It added to their fatigue.

It didn't any more than of comparable cricketers who did well in T20 world cup. :icflove:

If Sehwag had not featured in the IPL, he would have a 2 month rest and would have been less liable to fatigue for BCCI to put a stop on him and all other players who were due to feature in county cricket.

Cool story bro, but considering we are having about 2-3 ODI series followed by a test series in Sri Lanka , where exactly did Sehwag find his "window" to play in the county series? And as if BCCI would shut shop and allow it's players 2 months "rest" in the first place...:giggle: Further it seems you are more interested in our players playing for English counties and Indian domestic cricket. ;)

It's an exact quote from your earlier post. But even in T20 it's a laughable notion.

Lage raho liarbhai.. quote the exact post with context.

Good riddance. Hopefully, won't be getting drawn into a time wasting discussion with a liar anytime soon once I can conclude my posts in the other thread.

You were arguing with yourself also???

[mastana]

[Precambrian]

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[mastana]

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:yay: :yay:

[Shane]

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[punjabi_khota]

Look at the face of the chamcha type aadmi carrying the box...he is SOOO proud and happy...:rotfl:

[asterix]

:hysterical: Good one Mastana..

[achilles]

:hysterical: Ana, is it you carrying the box? :hehe:

[SJS50]

Brilliant !!! :clap::clap::clap: That and your signature :)

[EnterTheVoid]

Mastana, my humour coach

[The Outsider]

:hysterical::hysterical: Good one, mastana!

[thevortex]

Pray tell me, why not? Yeah, a couple of matches and bingo, we're the best players of short ball, against which we started to struggle since the last T20 WC!! :two_thumbs_up: It's not that I don't believe in practice matches, but in our case I honestly don't believe one or two practice matches against some low profile teams wouldn't have really helped much...

Point is - Zodiac - we cannot assume that. By no means am I saying that the practice matches would have been the surefire solution. But they ought to have taken place - to familiarize the players against the opposition on West Indian surfaces in real match conditions. It is precisely because of the IPL that these practice matches did not take place. I am sure you can make the connection. It is not just about the short ball. Take a look at Yuvraj Singh for example. Do you think he got out to short balls throughout this tournament? Do you not think he could have done better with some real match practice in West Indies. Now, if the argument is that the Indians are already tired with the IPL and they dont want practice matches to further drain the meagre resources of the players - then too, that does not speak well of the IPL, or its scheduling and management thereof in particular. There is no stepping around it any which way you see it.

[hkbanz03]

Hi Everyone! I'm new to the forum and just spent the last few minutes reading this thread. Quite good arguments, but i think that IPL has allowed cricket to go global. I'm from London and it was just a matter of today, i went to trafalgar square with a few friends and saw 4 big elephant sculptures coloured in the colours of the IPL teams and installed by Lalit Modi for charity purposes. It was amazing to see for once all the tourists gathering around and taking photos with the elephants leaving other historic landmarks. Anyways, i have a question and i hope u all can help me out. I'm a Physiotherapist and i'm really keen to be a part of IPL next year. Can u help me out in terms of who to contact and how i can get this golden opportunity. It would be amazing! Thanks

[Sachinism]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/markstravelphotos/4602295680/in/photostream/ pics of elephants

[nballa]

how is it hurting indian cricket when its giving the much needed practise? each player plays a max of 14 games in 59 days and that is definitely not a lot of cricket to get burned out.

[ZodiaC]

Point is - Zodiac - we cannot assume that. By no means am I saying that the practice matches would have been the surefire solution. But they ought to have taken place - to familiarize the players against the opposition on West Indian surfaces in real match conditions. It is precisely because of the IPL that these practice matches did not take place. I am sure you can make the connection. It is not just about the short ball. Take a look at Yuvraj Singh for example. Do you think he got out to short balls throughout this tournament? Do you not think he could have done better with some real match practice in West Indies.

Yuvraj's problem is his lack of commitment, I mean look at him, he looks a fat pig for chrissakes.. I seriously don't think a couple of practice matches would've done it.. Also they didn't like get out in the group stage, they got 3 matches (and won 3 of them too), isn't that enough time to get familiar with the surface? Missing 1 or 2 matches against teams like Ireland or second string windies side would've done it for our team.. c'mon.. Hypothetically maybe, but lets be realistic here..

Now, if the argument is that the Indians are already tired with the IPL and they dont want practice matches to further drain the meagre resources of the players - then too, that does not speak well of the IPL, or its scheduling and management thereof in particular. There is no stepping around it any which way you see it.

I didn't say Indians were drained by IPL.. My question is that how does Ranji matches where you gotta travel and play under the sun for days becomes 'practice' and IPL becomes 'exhausting'? Doesn't make any sense to me.. No international player looked 'drained' coz of IPL except our team members...

[thevortex]

Yuvraj's problem is his lack of commitment, I mean look at him, he looks a fat pig for chrissakes.. I seriously don't think a couple of practice matches would've done it.. Also they didn't like get out in the group stage, they got 3 matches (and won 3 of them too), isn't that enough time to get familiar with the surface? Missing 1 or 2 matches against teams like Ireland or second string windies side would've done it for our team.. c'mon.. Hypothetically maybe, but lets be realistic here.. I didn't say Indians were drained by IPL.. My question is that how does Ranji matches where you gotta travel and play under the sun for days becomes 'practice' and IPL becomes 'exhausting'? Doesn't make any sense to me.. No international player looked 'drained' coz of IPL except our team members...

Zodiac - batting cannot be broken down into as simple a thing as a paunch. Yes, that can and will affect his fielding. But not necessarily his batting. And yes, batting is such a confidence aspect. One can never deny that a couple of relaxed practice match innings could have made a difference. And I am not sure you are serious about comparing IPL with Ranji matches! How many Ranji matches do you know that conclude days before a major ICC tournament and do not allow time for practice matches??? About the Indian vs international, I have spoken my mind earlier. It is not the international players who have to adjust to extra bounce. It is the Indians. And the Sri Lankans and Pakistanis are better at handling bounce than the Indians. So, think about who needs practice matches the most....

[vvvslaxman]

It is the Indians. And the Sri Lankans and Pakistanis are better at handling bounce than the Indians. So' date= think about who needs practice matches the most....

That is a myth. They can't handle any kind of bowling. Pakistan received more short balls than Indians. More people got out to short balls. Raina looked the most awkward. But he was the highest run getter for us. We have to stop hiding behind bouncer excuses. It is a combination of dumb captaincy (which captain would opt to chase when his bowling is below par) and generally poor form and bad selection. Naturally our out of form batting side struggled to chase totals that had RRR over 8 or 9. Even in Tests you cannot become an inform batsman overnight. In T20, it could take more than ten T20 games to get some form going. That is why you should alway pick a side that is having inform players.