Should Mohammad Amir be banned or rehabilitated, if found guilty?

[IKnowU]

Aamir isnt overrated. He just thrived in those conditions..............but we all know who we would choose between Aamir and RP Singh if a match was to be held anywhere in the subcontinent.

[ravishingravi]

Aamir isnt overrated. He just thrived in those conditions..............but we all know who we would choose between Aamir and RP Singh if a match was to be held anywhere in the subcontinent.

Who would you choose?

[CSK Fan]

But question is WHY and WHY ALWAYS ONLY PAKISTANI bowlers gets "way way too over-rated"? Do Pakistan have some such stronggest lobby in the world to make their bowler most over rated? ;) or what you personally feel why so?

You ddint hear some of the praises heaped on RP Singh and Zaheer Khan last time they toured England. RP was compared to Wasim, the commentators were saying that they hadnt seen such good fast bowling for 20 years. Amir is lucky he is playing on these helpful wickets. On subcontinent he was bowling much worse than Ishant

[IKnowU]

Who would you choose?

Aamer.....no brainer? He wont that good on those pitches, but he has more chance of a wicket then any of the other bowlers.

[Asim]

Aamir isnt overrated. He just thrived in those conditions..............but we all know who we would choose between Aamir and RP Singh if a match was to be held anywhere in the subcontinent.

You ddint hear some of the praises heaped on RP Singh and Zaheer Khan last time they toured England. RP was compared to Wasim, the commentators were saying that they hadnt seen such good fast bowling for 20 years. Amir is lucky he is playing on these helpful wickets. On subcontinent he was bowling much worse than Ishant

so if you honestly OVERALL rate both of them... u want to say RP is better?

[CSK Fan]

so if you honestly OVERALL rate both of them... u want to say RP is better?

its too early to rate Amir. I will wait till he plays a bit in the sub continent

[IKnowU]

I said I would pick Aamer if I had to choose between him and RP when bowling in subcontinent. That equals to him being the better player right?:dontknow:

[Asim]

its too early to rate Amir. I will wait till he plays a bit in the sub continent

that makes sense... otherwise if you say RP was called by some people as best in last 20 years there then many of the smae people described Amir as "such talent seen never before"...

[ravishingravi]

that makes sense... otherwise if you say RP was called by some people as best in last 20 years there then many of the smae people described Amir as "such talent seen never before"...

Count me in. Along with Sachin Tendulkar, he is one of the few at his age who looks a like future great.

[vvvslaxman]

But question is WHY and WHY ALWAYS ONLY PAKISTANI bowlers gets "way way too over-rated"? Do Pakistan have some such stronggest lobby in the world to make their bowler most over rated? ;) or what you personally feel why so?

When tailenders keep registering their highest scores against your "bowling attack" you gotta realize at some point it is an over-rated attack. Just that English conditions were prodigiously helpful for fast bowlers. When everyone was going gaga over Umar Akmal i clearly told he was over-rated. He proved very soon.

[vvvslaxman]

Aamer.....no brainer? He wont that good on those pitches, but he has more chance of a wicket then any of the other bowlers.

Didn't see that happening against Srilanka . RP Singh on patta wicket when he made debut took 4 wickets. Balaji and Irfan completely outbowled Pakistan bowlers in Pakistan. It is about how long you will be able to sustain that.

[dial_100]

If Amir doesn't get life ban this time, PCB wont have a life line to use next tiime. Which one of you supporters of "Amir Bachao" brigade want to guarantee that this circus wont mess up things again. We aren't understanding the sensitivity of this matter. I think spot fixing, the way that Mazeed guy was describing, appeared to be happening for long time. He was very very comfortable doing it. They have done it in the past many a times. He aint innocent at all. After you come to know there there 3-4 or even more people involved in something wrong then you should walk out and save your career rather than giving in. The best I can do is pray from my heart that Pak cricket gets clean as water and they find many Amirs to bring their team back to top 3 teams. Only weak people support loosers. Strong people can build things from ground up again. I wish Pak cricket some good luck.

[King Tendulkar]

I hope none of the cheats are banned and are straight back in pakis team. They can be part of the virus right in the middle eating away at their cricket:--D

[riwi999]

I'd like to understand the main driver behind this Aamer support. I hear two strains: - He is only 18, surely he has been misled. - He is the most promising bowler in the world at the moment and is destined to become a legend. The combination is pretty potent of course. Had he been 18 but just a run-of-the-mill player would there have been so much sympathy for him? Would Michael Holding have shed tears? I think this is where it is important to have perspective and not get carried away by emotion. We keep saying the game is bigger than any individual. And then we get all mushy when it comes to specific individuals. Cricket needs to learn from baseball. In 1919, when match-fixing came to a head in baseball, the involved players of Chicago White Sox were banned for life. Then there is the case of Pete Rose, former legend. If people care about cricket, they will realise what a scourge fixing is. Match-fixing, spot-fixing, whatever. To save the game, we need to send out a very strong message. What message will we be sending out if Aamer gets away with a light punishment because of his age or his ability? This is not to do with age or ability. It has to do with intent. To corrupt the game. And nobody should be allowed to do that. This may actually be a good opportunity to send out a message, the other way. Ban all these guys for life. So that future generations of cricketers realise that there is no excuse for cheating. Their age will not help them, their skill will not help them. That's the message that needs to go out. I wish these soft heads like Atherton and Holding would stop talking about what a great bowler Aamer is and that he is only 18. He has allegedly cheated. Talk about that please. Talk about the millions of fans who watch the game expecting fair play. This is cricket's opportunity to clean itself up. Why do I get the feeling it will not seize it?

[siddhu]

I'd like to understand the main driver behind this Aamer support. I hear two strains: - He is only 18, surely he has been misled. - He is the most promising bowler in the world at the moment and is destined to become a legend. The combination is pretty potent of course. Had he been 18 but just a run-of-the-mill player would there have been so much sympathy for him? Would Michael Holding have shed tears? I think this is where it is important to have perspective and not get carried away by emotion. We keep saying the game is bigger than any individual. And then we get all mushy when it comes to specific individuals. Cricket needs to learn from baseball. In 1919, when match-fixing came to a head in baseball, the involved players of Chicago White Sox were banned for life. Then there is the case of Pete Rose, former legend. If people care about cricket, they will realise what a scourge fixing is. Match-fixing, spot-fixing, whatever. To save the game, we need to send out a very strong message. What message will we be sending out if Aamer gets away with a light punishment because of his age or his ability? This is not to do with age or ability. It has to do with intent. To corrupt the game. And nobody should be allowed to do that. This may actually be a good opportunity to send out a message, the other way. Ban all these guys for life. So that future generations of cricketers realise that there is no excuse for cheating. Their age will not help them, their skill will not help them. That's the message that needs to go out. I wish these soft heads like Atherton and Holding would stop talking about what a great bowler Aamer is and that he is only 18. He has allegedly cheated. Talk about that please. Talk about the millions of fans who watch the game expecting fair play. This is cricket's opportunity to clean itself up. Why do I get the feeling it will not seize it?

Completely agree.

[sudheer kumar]

Money makes many things............. It is past............ Money can do any thing............ It is present.......... Punishment should be life ban...........Then only new players don't try this

[Jadoo]

On topic, the scum should be band for life, with a restraining order that doesn't allow him to come within 100 yards of a cricket ball.

[The Dark Horse]

They are not even accepting their fault. Thats the most annoying thing-At least if he accepts the truth there will be something to think about- Otherwise he should be banned for life.

[Sachinism]

Good post riwi999. Cricket will be sending out a very bad message if he gets lightly. Totally agree about how we all harp on about the game being bigger than any individual, but when put in this position some people are forgetting that

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Why Amir shouldn't be let back if proved guilty : Ian Chappell More... Save the game or lose it If the powers that be don't take steps to eradicate fixing, we won't have a game to protect Ian Chappell September 12, 2010 If Mohammad Amir and Mohammad Asif are proved guilty, permitting them back into the game is going to do more harm than good Fixing, whether it be of the spot or match variety, is a major challenge for cricket. Only prompt and firm action can hope to resolve the issue. With that in mind, it was disturbing to read suggestions that 18-year-old fast bowler Mohammad Amir, if found guilty, could avoid a life ban if he gives evidence against his Pakistan team-mates. What sort of message does that convey? That you'll be excused if you claim you're too young to decipher right from wrong? What message does it send the crooks? Be sure to "groom" young players and then your "investment" has a greater chance of paying long-term dividends. And doesn't it tell an honest player, "You're a fool. You should've grabbed the money"? The honest players have already suffered enough just from playing in an era tainted by the fixers. If he's guilty, in a roundabout way the ICC would do Amir a favour by banning him for life. If he were guilty and was to be reinstated a couple of years down the track, he'd still be in the clutches of the crooks. Any outstanding debts or threats to him or his family would still be hanging over his head. The only way you escape the clutches of these unsavoury characters is the same as the mafia exit strategy: in a wooden box. At least with a life ban from cricket, the youngster escapes their clutches and can get on with what remains of his future. And if he's forgiven there's the not-so-minor matter of how he'd be accepted by the Pakistan team. Self-interest is never a great team-spirit builder, and ratting on your mates, no matter how devious they might be, is not the way to ingratiate yourself. If you think that's melodramatic then consider the crooks' background. In many cases they will have built their tainted fortune on such nefarious activities as gun- or drug-running. They have no scruples. Once that's understood you begin to comprehend the enormity of cricket's problem. Fixing is not a Pakistan problem; it has the power to bring the game to its knees. Cricket has already missed a golden opportunity to send a strong message to crooks, players and administrators. Pakistan should've been suspended from competition the moment the Lord's Test was completed. "Can't do it," you say, "it'll ruin the game." Well, if fixing isn't eradicated then there'll be no game of any consequence to ruin. How can they play the current ODI series between England and Pakistan? Mr Fixit in London said he has seven Pakistan players in his pocket and they'd agreed to "throw" two of the ODIs. Three of the Pakistan players are currently under suspension. That leaves four possibly still playing in these matches. Will those players refuse to do the dirty deed because of all the publicity? Cricket shouldn't have taken that chance. After all, it's not the players who decide the fix and when it'll occur. The administrators have to assume once a player is in the clutches of the crooks, it's a lifetime deal. That's why Pakistan's refusal to heed the strong warnings issued by Justice Qayyum in his illuminating 1999 report have come home to roost. The game is still littered with former players named by Qayyum, cricketers he suggested should never hold positions of responsibility in the game. Rather than send a strong message, the game has averted its eyes. It's not surprising that 15 years after the initial strong indications the game wasn't clean, we still have evidence of widespread corruption. Given that the Qayyum report was largely ignored and player bans overturned it's not surprising the crooks don't feel threatened. Like all of cricket's major problems, fixing can't be properly addressed until the issue of the ICC's flawed structure is resolved. There can be no excuse now for not addressing this issue with great resolve and integrity. The game's future is on the line. The honest players and the fans deserve a concerted effort to clean up the game. If drastic action isn't taken to eradicate fixing it won't be a matter of the administration gambling with the game's future; they'll be delivering it a death sentence.