IKnowU Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 "That part (about player retention) is quite difficult (to accept)," were his opening remarks on the subject in Durban on Sunday night. "We have really worked hard to build this team and have got together brilliantly. In the third year (they finished runners-up) we held a couple of camps, which had nothing to do with cricket. "It was just to know each other well," said a by-now emotional Mumbai Indians skipper. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/iplarticleshow/6596258.cms I completely agree with God. Its about building a brand and having a fan following. All the effort and money gone investing into various franchises for the last three years is gone to waste. Especially teams like Mumbai and Bangalore. They have evolved and grew and the results are showing. But now its all gonna wasted because to accommodate two new teams.........:headshake: In my opinion its very unprofessional to have a player pool auction 3 years into a league. The initial auction was understandable as there was not much at stake, but now its a poor way of regulating player movement within the league. Imagine a league like NBA having a auction to accomodate say 3 new teams? Imagine the outcry and fanbases that have been built? Players like Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade going to random teams based on pure monetary terms without any regards to other factors. Why not simply have a trading process between teams but the two new teams are allowed to have higher spending values? Do you see Leagues like NBA, NFL or EPL reshuffling the whole rosters because of new teams? They simply relax the regulations slightly to give them a slight advantage. Oh wait.....thats too easy why not have a auction instead?:headshake: The franchises literally dont have any control how their players are dealt with let alone the players themselves. Many franchises want instant success just because they put their money on the line. Its about growth and long term success, not instant masala money making scheme. There will always be teams that will come last every year, you have to live with it. Owners like Mallya, Ambani and GMR look like proper owners who trying to build a brand for the future and not just about who has the bigger stars and success rates in the current market. The more chopping and changes you do the more likely fans will become uninterested. Who would support Delhi if guys like Sehwag, Gambhir got bought by some other teams and GMR in return got say Rainas, S Tiwary? Regardless of the talent you need to have the local culture and player interaction to have a successful franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 I thought N Srinivasan was the evil man behind this scheme to retain players :winky: I think the point of contention is that there was no player retention mentioned at the beginning of the first auction and is being pushed now by the two teams who have good players whom they want to keep. Obviously Lalit Modi and co. didn't think beyond the first three years. May be they assumed this IPL idea was too cr@ppy to last longer. :hehe: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Outsider Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 Why are you guys complaining? After all, the new teams result in mooooaaaarr IPL matches! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saneindian Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 Wasn't this known at the time of the 1st auction? To cut down on the confusion, all players should go back to auction again without any retentions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowU Posted September 21, 2010 Author Share Posted September 21, 2010 Wasn't this known at the time of the 1st auction? To cut down on the confusion' date=' all players should go back to auction again without any retentions.[/quote'] Yes it was. It was blind decision without thinking about the impact it will have. Everyone thought it wont affect that much but now the owners, stakeholders are releasing the consequences.......teams are establising themselves......breaking them down and starting over again is like going backwards not forwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamy Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 IPL 4 will be interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 Whatever Sachin thinks, I hope MI officials don't listen to him this time and dump Bhajji and Zak.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowU Posted September 21, 2010 Author Share Posted September 21, 2010 Whatever Sachin thinks' date=' I hope MI officials don't listen to him this time and dump Bhajji and Zak..[/quote'] What Sachin is trying to say is make a better player movement system. Make a system where the player and two franchises involved all come to a mutual agreement that will help better all the parties that they hope will happen. This is easily achievable when you look at leagues like EPL, NBA etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saneindian Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 Yes it was. It was blind decision without thinking about the impact it will have. Everyone thought it wont affect that much but now the owners' date=' stakeholders are releasing the consequences.......teams are establising themselves......breaking them down and starting over again is like going backwards not forwards.[/quote'] Only those teams that have done well will agree on the retention part. Those which have struggled (KKR, Kings 11 etc) would love to go to a fresh auction with a new strategy. Plus the new teams which have been added will be at a huge handicap if this retention policy is followed. So probably they need to freeze the number of teams now , go for a fresh auction and then have no major auctions for 3-4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir john Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 i think it is good to have new looks of teams for next IPL.:--D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowU Posted September 21, 2010 Author Share Posted September 21, 2010 Only those teams that have done well will agree on the retention part. Those which have struggled (KKR' date=' Kings 11 etc) would love to go to a fresh auction with a new strategy.[/quote'] Of course. They want the easy way out. Rather then fix it, why not just start fresh again :headshake: Plus the new teams which have been added will be at a huge handicap if this retention policy is followed. So probably they need to freeze the number of teams now ' date=' go for a fresh auction and then have no major auctions for 3-4 years.[/quote'] How can you keep having auctions? The only reason they have auctions is because it is a great money making exercise for IPL governing council. If anyone had any brains in that council they would have approached it in a different way. But remember money always comes first............ The two new teams are acting like they want to have the best players and win it all from the word go at the expense of the existing teams :headshake: Maybe they should have bid earlier in the inaugural season so that they got one of the initial first 8 teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 Well, the rules are what they’re. If anybody wanted to complain, they should have done so at the beginning, when the whole contract system was instituted, it’s a bit too late to cry foul now. Would Sachin be complaining if MUI had done terribly during all the 3 editions? I guess not. You cannot have it both ways. Sachin’s points about team continuity are obviously totally valid. It takes to come together as group, if you’re going to re-jig the personnel every once in a while, it is going to make it more difficult. But then again, the rules are same for everyone. So, all teams have to make the adjustment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
achilles Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 A lot of fuss is usually made around Sachin's opinions, with almost complete disregard to other opinions which are generally balanced. I would agree with Rahul Dravid's point- Of course, not everyone feels or thinks like him and Rahul Dravid, for long Tendulkar’s India teammate, has a different view. He had spoken on the issue a few days earlier and said: “One has to understand that two more teams are entering the IPL, and the beauty of the IPL is that it’s very competitive, anyone can win the tournament.” Fair enough. And what he added made even more sense. “We don’t want to end up in a situation like that of Manchester United and Chelsea (in the English Premier League) where only three or four teams win. I like the concept of having an even playing field as it raises the level of the tournament and interest too.” So, there you have it, one Indian batting great wanting to be fair to the family and the other wishing to extend a fair deal to all, including a couple of new comers." Source - Times of India Sachin is thinking more in terms of "HIS" team, "HIS" players, "HIS" franchise, while Rahul Dravid has a more inclusive view on the subject, which ensures everyone wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 Well they should have made a transfer window like Football have. Its sick to change the core of every team every 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b555 Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 IPL 4 will be interesting :yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman1980 Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 Sachin always keep complaining on such small matters .. sometime I feel nowadays he is more happy to play for his franchise rather than country .. Whtever happy this season .. I just don't want to see sachin as a captain on any IPL team .. He is just not good enough .. His judgment as a captain r always wrong .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someone Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 The problem is about retaining players is not that most franchises do not rate them so do not want to keep them but rather the fixed value deducted for each player kept despite the player being worth less than the provided fixed value. If this rule could be changed, then maybe franchises will not have problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboysfan Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 i hope this is the last auction.i understand why they need to have a new auction(induction of 2 new franchises) but fans form a bond with players and you cannot bring in new players every three years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zap_Brannigan Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 Why does people think that the other 2 teams are at a disadvantage if players are retained? The current system only has 4 players per team.Even if all the franchises chooses to keep 4 players, thats only 32 players. Do you think that there are only 32 good players in cricket? Lets CSK for example, if they choose to keep Dhoni, Raina, Murali Vijay and Muralidhran, that still leaves Badri, Morkel,Bollinger, Hayden, Hussey, all players who have performed to take CSK to IPL semis every year. The 4 players will in no way be able to make the current IPL teams stronger, but it will be able to keep some iota of connection i, as a fan of CSK, has had for the past 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner_Mania Posted September 21, 2010 Share Posted September 21, 2010 I think they should have acuctions every year and also one or two new team every year till we reach 20 teams and play all year long. No retainers. All players in the auction pool. Who cares about fan following and all. If BCCI don't make money through auctions, what is the point of having IPL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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