We trained militant groups against India: Musharraf

[Pioneer]

Pathetic post generally.

Shyt sorry man can I have another go

[cricket ka bat]

Mushy likes to cry a lot like a baby. Jealousy oozes from all his orifices. I hope he gets IED mubaraked soon.

[King Tendulkar]

Shyt sorry man can I have another go

You have been, still are and will always train jihadis for what you see are for the benfit of Pakistan. Hence Kasab, hence safe haven for Dawood. Mushy has owned up[to the world the worst kept secret. Yet guys like you continue to be in denial or more accuratley bare faced lie about it. How you can be proud paki when from top to bottom terrorists are supported/funded/trained/created etc is beyond me. The only conclusion to draw is that like most of your countryman you morally support the jihadis!

[punjabi_khota]

Mushy likes to cry a lot like a baby. Jealousy oozes from all his orifices. I hope he gets IED mubaraked soon.

:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

[Pioneer]

You have been, still are and will always train jihadis for what you see are for the benfit of Pakistan. Hence Kasab, hence safe haven for Dawood. Mushy has owned up[to the world the worst kept secret. Yet guys like you continue to be in denial or more accuratley bare faced lie about it. How you can be proud paki when from top to bottom terrorists are supported/funded/trained/created etc is beyond me. The only conclusion to draw is that like most of your countryman you morally support the jihadis!

:headshake::headshake::headshake: I pity you, you must be going crazy making these " conclusions "

[King Tendulkar]

:headshake::headshake::headshake: I pity you, you must be going crazy making these " conclusions "

Fair enough laugh it of. Lets face it you dont want a debate on it. I mean your former leader is openly telling the world that pakistan govt and army train and fund jihadi terrorists. No wonder you resort to smileys

[beetle]

You have been, still are and will always train jihadis for what you see are for the benfit of Pakistan. Hence Kasab, hence safe haven for Dawood. Mushy has owned up[to the world the worst kept secret. Yet guys like you continue to be in denial or more accuratley bare faced lie about it. How you can be proud paki when from top to bottom terrorists are supported/funded/trained/created etc is beyond me. The only conclusion to draw is that like most of your countryman you morally support the jihadis!

agree

[ravishingravi]

:headshake::headshake::headshake: I pity you, you must be going crazy making these " conclusions "

Pioneer, I am not one of those who will generalize all Pakistanis as terrorists. Most Pakistanis want the same things as most people across the world want, peace and a good life for their families. But it is scary how quickly some parts are getting radicalized. Pak. is at a very important juncture and I am very interested to see how the youngsters are coming up and what are their thoughts and ideas. This admission by Musharraf comes as no surprise. It is a matter of Pak. strategy for Kashmir.

[Ram]

This is probably some sort of world’s first really – A head of state/military chielf openly admitting to sponsoring terror groups operating in another country. Now wait till Thorazine overdose candidate Zaid Hamid spins this as some sort of Zionist witchcraft that took control of Musharraf’s mind and made him say these things. :hysterical:

[Pioneer]

Fair enough laugh it of. Lets face it you dont want a debate on it. I mean your former leader is openly telling the world that pakistan govt and army train and fund jihadi terrorists. No wonder you resort to smileys

Wtf is there to debate on?! You are calling me a terrorist sympathiser and you want me to reply sanely to that? Please, dont give me that "running away" bullshyt

[ravishingravi]

Hey whatsup' date=' just want to give my views. I never said the establishment is clean, I always believed that at some point Pakistan did train militants to fight in Kashmir. [b']Don't tell me India has never messed around Pakistan for their own interests. Anyways, I believe Pakistan stopped that in recent times, Musharraf could be talking about any time in particular ( btw a very stupid statement to make on his part). When you people say terrorist country, what exactly do you mean? Do you mean people with beards and ak47's selling food and walking around? Do you mean every Pakistani has a terrorist mind? Do you just say that without knowing what exactly you mean? I just want to know For you sending militants into Kashmir is considered terrorism ( mind you I believe the killing of any innocent human being is terrorism, don't get me wrong) but to many others it could be the right thing to do. I don't want any fights online, it is a waste of time, and I feel you people are using too much energy in hating Pakistan. Do what you say, leave the nation, whether it burns or not is an entirely different matter.

I don't want to engage in fight either. But just wondering, do you have anything concrete to come to those conclusions ?

[The Outsider]

Hey whatsup, just want to give my views. I never said the establishment is clean, I always believed that at some point Pakistan did train militants to fight in Kashmir. Don't tell me India has never messed around Pakistan for their own interests. Anyways, I believe Pakistan stopped that in recent times, Musharraf could be talking about any time in particular ( btw a very stupid statement to make on his part). When you people say terrorist country, what exactly do you mean? Do you mean people with beards and ak47's selling food and walking around? Do you mean every Pakistani has a terrorist mind? Do you just say that without knowing what exactly you mean? I just want to know For you sending militants into Kashmir is considered terrorism ( mind you I believe the killing of any innocent human being is terrorism, don't get me wrong) but to many others it could be the right thing to do. I don't want any fights online, it is a waste of time, and I feel you people are using too much energy in hating Pakistan. Do what you say, leave the nation, whether it burns or not is an entirely different matter.

I don't know how old you are, but 10 years back when India and Indians used to say that terrorists are being trained and sponsored by Pakistan to hurt India, there used to be a blatant denial by obviously the government, and also the average Rahim from Pakistan like you. Indignation about how Pakistan can be accused of such a thing. Slowly but surely, the Kashmiri separatists who had been trained in Pakistan like Yasin Malik started admitting openly about the training camps run there and how the ISI and Pakistani establishment trained them. This was followed by veiled admissions from the general public and some politicians and army officers. And after 9/11 when the global media became interested in the issue, there was nowhere to hide but to admit it. But the admission was cast like, 'Oh India does it as well and we have stopped it now'. Exactly what you are saying above. But forget about many others, tell about yourself as to what you think sending militants to Kashmir is? If you say terrorism, then you've got your answer why Pakistan is a terrorist state - it's establishment and government uses terrorism as a state policy, not that every Pakistani is a daarhi waala, AK 47 wielding brainwashed Mullah. But the worrying thing is that their numbers are growing. As for India leaving Pakistan alone, I am sure we would gladly oblige as soon as your country stops sending freedom fighters.

[Pioneer]

I don't know how old you are, but 10 years back when India and Indians used to say that terrorists are being trained and sponsored by Pakistan to hurt India, there used to be a blatant denial by obviously the government, and also the average Rahim from Pakistan like you. Indignation about how Pakistan can be accused of such a thing. Slowly but surely, the Kashmiri separatists who had been trained in Pakistan like Yasin Malik started admitting openly about the training camps run there and how the ISI and Pakistani establishment trained them. This was followed by veiled admissions from the general public and some politicians and army officers. And after 9/11 when the global media became interested in the issue, there was nowhere to hide but to admit it. But the admission was cast like, 'Oh India does it as well and we have stopped it now'. Exactly what you are saying above. But forget about many others, tell about yourself as to what you think sending militants to Kashmir is? If you say terrorism, then you've got your answer why Pakistan is a terrorist state - it's establishment and government uses terrorism as a state policy, not that every Pakistani is a daarhi waala, AK 47 wielding brainwashed Mullah. But the worrying thing is that their numbers are growing. As for India leaving Pakistan alone, I am sure we would gladly oblige as soon as your country stops sending freedom fighters.

But Pakistan is currently facing its biggest threat ever from extremists, every Pakistani on the street is worrying about these guys rather than India who was the " dushman" a decade ago. The threat is not from India rather from the Taliban, and people have acknowledged that, there is barely any sympathy for them. Btw my name IS Rahim! No kidding its not

[Manny_Pacquiao]

For you sending militants into Kashmir is considered terrorism ( mind you I believe the killing of any innocent human being is terrorism' date=' don't get me wrong) b[b']ut to many others it could be the right thing to do. .

not every paki may be a terrorist, but most if not all pakis hold this point of view. which makes u all complicit in all these terrorist acts. no wonder your people happily turn a blind eye to all the harm your terrorists cause india and in some cases, even come up with ridiculous bullshit conspiracy theories to make pakistan look completely innocent basically, not every paki is a terrorist, but most of you are full of crap. thats for sure.

[King Tendulkar]

But Pakistan is currently facing its biggest threat ever from extremists' date=' every Pakistani on the street is worrying about these guys rather than India who was the " dushman" a decade ago. The threat is not from India rather from the Taliban, and people have acknowledged that, there is barely any sympathy for them. Btw my name IS Rahim! No kidding its not[/quote'] bah bah. Again read the story of Frankstein! Yet you guys still dont learn and are still breeding new jihadis for attack on India i.e Kasab as one example. These nutters will turn on the masters i.e pak land and then what? You want sympathy. Bascially you breed and train murderes and when they eventually attack your own family you expect sympathy. Especially when you guys still dont learn and then breed even more murderers. Akso breeding these murders is done by pak establishment with the moral support of vast masses of pakistan! Then you wonder why your country is going down the pan! You guys will never learn

[The Outsider]

But Pakistan is currently facing its biggest threat ever from extremists' date=' every Pakistani on the street is worrying about these guys rather than India who was the " dushman" a decade ago. The threat is not from India rather from the Taliban, and people have acknowledged that, there is barely any sympathy for them. Btw my name IS Rahim! No kidding its not[/quote'] There has already been a neat distinction drawn between the terrorists and the strategic assets. Why do you think Pakistan army is not taking action in North Waziristan? It's because the likes of Haqqani offer Pakistan the strategic depth in Afghanistan if and when the Americans leave. Where do you think terrorists who are infiltrating into Indian Kashmir are coming from? Where are they getting weapons and training from? Why is Dawood Abrahim still in Pakistan? Why has there been no crackdown on organizations like Jamaat-ud-Dawah despite the UN declaring it a terrorist front? You are amongst the section of people who actually are aware of the fact that the threat is from Taliban. A significant number of Pakistanis don't even believe that - they believe that the threat is from Amreeka, Israel, India, Hindus, and the Jews. But this is nothing new. For 10 years Pakistan and Pakistanis kept denying any involvement in the Afghan-Soviet war at an official level before that came out in the open that it's bandied around as a fact. Then for 10 more years they kept denying support to terrorists in Kashmir, which is now accepted as a fact. Now you will deny support to Taliban, Al Qaida, and LeT before that will also be accepted as a fact a decade later.

[Jadoo]

You reap what you sow, the same terrorist these mofo's trained and financed are the same terrorist who today are fecking up Pakistan itself. Any little sanity that remains in Pakistan will only remain until the American's are present. The moment Pakistan loses it's usefulness to the American's, will be the moment that Pakistan will erupt into chaos. Questions that remains is whether America will run the risk of leaving a nuclear armed Pakistan behind, or will it do the rest of the world a favour.

[Mamu]

The Outsider;1187586]There has already been a neat distinction drawn between the terrorists and the strategic assets. Why do you think Pakistan army is not taking action in North Waziristan? It's because the likes of Haqqani offer Pakistan the strategic depth in Afghanistan if and when the Americans leave. Where do you think terrorists who are infiltrating into Indian Kashmir are coming from? Where are they getting weapons and training from? Why is Dawood Abrahim still in Pakistan? Why has there been no crackdown on organizations like Jamaat-ud-Dawah despite the UN declaring it a terrorist front? You are amongst the section of people who actually are aware of the fact that the threat is from Taliban. A significant number of Pakistanis don't even believe that - they believe that the threat is from Amreeka, Israel, India, Hindus, and the Jews. But this is nothing new. For 10 years Pakistan and Pakistanis kept denying any involvement in the Afghan-Soviet war at an official level before that came out in the open that it's bandied around as a fact. Then for 10 more years they kept denying support to terrorists in Kashmir, which is now accepted as a fact. Now you will deny support to Taliban, Al Qaida, and LeT before that will also be accepted as a fact a decade later.[/QUOTE]

They are always 10 years behind. They are time lagged. In fact since yesterday their news channels are going ga-ga over how Laxman stunned the Aussies at Eden Gardens, whic took place 10 years ago. 10 years from now they will flash the Mohali victory.:cantstop: Now do you see why I keep harping -- this nation has no hope for 10 more years? :--D It is all so damn easy with that nation.

[Mamu]

But Pakistan is currently facing its biggest threat ever from extremists' date=' every [b']Pakistani on the street is worrying about these guys rather than India who was the " dushman" a decade ago. The threat is not from India rather from the Taliban, and people have acknowledged that, there is barely any sympathy for them. Btw my name IS Rahim! No kidding its not

WASHINGTON: Though terror groups continue to strike in their country, a majority of Pakistanis still consider India as a major threat, view America as an enemy and are far less concerned about Taliban and al-Qaida. While Pakistanis express serio us concerns about the US, they have also deep worries about neighbour and long-time rival India than extremist groups within Pakistan, according to the prestigious Pew Research Centre opinion poll carried out inside Pakistan. "When asked which is the greatest threat to their country - India, the Taliban or al-Qaida - slightly more than half of Pakistanis (53 per cent) choose India, compared with 23 per cent for Taliban and just 3 per cent for al-Qaida," it said. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/Majority-of-Pakistanis-call-India-a-threat-US-enemy/articleshow/6236494.cms#ixzz11cniqd9S Pioneer -- do you want us to believe you or do you want us to belive the poll ? Either you are too naive or you just like to think everybody in Pakistan thinks like you.

[The Outsider]

Pioneer, here is a latest article in the Wall Street Journal : http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704689804575536241251361592.html?mod=WSJ_World_LeadStory

Members of Pakistan's spy agency are pressing Taliban field commanders to fight the U.S. and its allies in Afghanistan, some U.S. officials and Afghan militants say, a development that undercuts a key element of the Pentagon's strategy for ending the war. But few Taliban have given up the fight, officials say. Some Taliban commanders and U.S. officials say militant leaders are being pressured by officers from Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency not to surrender. "The ISI wants to arrest commanders who are not obeying [iSI] orders," said a Taliban commander in Kunar province. U.S. officials say they have heard similar reports from captured militants and those negotiating to lay down their arms. The Taliban commander in Kunar, like others interviewed in recent days, said he remained opposed to the presence of foreign troops in Afghanistan and had no plans to stop fighting them. But "the ISI wants us to kill everyone—policemen, soldiers, engineers, teachers, civilians—just to intimidate people," the commander said. Some U.S. officials say the top levels of the ISI are committed to trying to reform the agency. "It is difficult to know how much the lower levels of ISI answer to senior leadership," said a military official. Other officials are more skeptical, saying such work couldn't go on without sanction from the ISI's top officers. "I haven't seen evidence that the ISI is not in control of all of its parts," said a senior U.S. defense official.