Has any one seen Bhuvneshwar Kumar bowl here ?

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Yes. It has not worked in India's case because they come raw and because they lack a thing or two lose the plot like Irfan' date=' Ishant, etc. He is only 19. He will only get better. It is not like he is a raw pace bowler. Moslty raw pace bowlers are picked at an early age. He should not be picked for at least 2 years rather need to be on A tours.[/quote'] Irfan,Ishant were very good at 19 wen they were introduced.Irfan lost the plot due to concentrating on batting n Ishant due to being overworked. Sandeep must go to A tour to SA in July n if he does well,should be picked in the test side to SA imo.the earlier we introduce them the better bcoz they can be lost in domestic cricket

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Pk :hysterical::hysterical: the guy should not be in A squad let alone international cricket ,cannot bowl at 125ks and gets injured everyday combined with a casual attitude.Good that he is gone. People forget whatever we have won abroad ,have been through good fast bowling ,we had enough of trundlers in our history and we know how they performed. You need to be around 135ks unless you are deadly accurate . Ishant has done well in the last series and has got his seam position sorted he will be handful on any pitch with yadav and a leftarmer like suyal or shami.We never had so much talent to work with in terms of fast bowling and i am looking forward to it.

I said PK if fit. you dont need to be around 135 ks to be successful in helpful conditions,he proved that by outbowling Ishant n Sreesanth in England.Asif n Philander r other examples. Ishant did well in which series?he was terrible in SA tour 2010 too,main reason why we couldnt win the series. hes been given enough chances.doesnt deserve anymore now.hes crap,not unlucky.

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I said PK if fit. you dont need to be around 135 ks to be successful in helpful conditions,he proved that by outbowling Ishant n Sreesanth in England.Asif n Philander r other examples. Ishant did well in which series?he was terrible in SA tour 2010 too,main reason why we couldnt win the series. hes been given enough chances.doesnt deserve anymore now.hes crap,not unlucky.

Thats we lost the series.P.k cannot run through a side even on his good day.He will pick odd wicket .Even if he is fit he las lost his swing and pace .Asf and philander are diff bolwers they seam the ball not swing it much combined with accuracy and height in case of asif. Ishant has done well in recent series.Even rp singh did well in eng and we took him again this time and what happened.

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^ 6 matches 27 wickets @ 25 and a strike rate of 59. Enough said.

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^ 6 matches 27 wickets @ 25 and a strike rate of 59. Enough said.

Stats do not tell the whole story.Anyways he has lost it and nowhere near the team.

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Stats do not tell the whole story.Anyways he has lost it and nowhere near the team.

I watched all the tests or their highlights and Praveen Kumar was the only Indian bowler constantly troubling the English batsmen.

[JaFanatic]

Stats do not tell the whole story.Anyways he has lost it and nowhere near the team.

no cant write him off he is the best option for the third pacer role

[CSK Fan]

Pk :hysterical::hysterical: the guy should not be in A squad let alone international cricket ,cannot bowl at 125ks and gets injured everyday combined with a casual attitude.Good that he is gone. People forget whatever we have won abroad ,have been through good fast bowling ,we had enough of trundlers in our history and we know how they performed. You need to be around 135ks unless you are deadly accurate . it.

So when we won in Perth it was because Pathan was bowlIng at 150? I initially thought you were someone with good knowledge of bowling but you are just another speed junkie with your knowledge limited to what the speed gin readings are. So Ishant's dismal performance will seem better than a 5fer from PK because hey better speed gun readings!

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Thats we lost the series.P.k cannot run through a side even on his good day.He will pick odd wicket .Even if he is fit he las lost his swing and pace .Asf and philander are diff bolwers they seam the ball not swing it much combined with accuracy and height in case of asif. Ishant has done well in recent series.Even rp singh did well in eng and we took him again this time and what happened.

lol PK cant run thru a side n Ishant can?:hysterical::hysterical: he did not pick odd wicket,he picked 15 in 3 games,we lost bcoz Ishant n Sreesanth didnt support him,check thier stats.hes accurate enough too. again the question,apart from mighty WI tour,Ishant did well in which recent series?

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I watched all the tests or their highlights and Praveen Kumar was the only Indian bowler constantly troubling the English batsmen.

I also watched the test matches in england,He did trouble the batsman but he lacked the penetration to get through them .Cook missed many same with strauss but lack of pace meant he could not get through them even allthough conditions helped him in first 2 test ,When ball got old he was not effective.England had piled on so much runs many guys got out attacking him in some innings.he got morgan and english lower middle order 2 times with 2nd new ball . As i said he has lost even that pace and zip.So he is out for good.

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^ Yeah and Ishant, Sreesanth, and RP Singh were running through the batsmen at the other end. Forget it, it's pointless talking about bowling to pace merchant worshipers like you - it's a simple equation for you, phaassht = good.

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So when we won in Perth it was because Pathan was bowlIng at 150? I initially thought you were someone with good knowledge of bowling but you are just another speed junkie with your knowledge limited to what the speed gin readings are. So Ishant's dismal performance will seem better than a 5fer from PK because hey better speed gun readings!

When did i say that ishant performance was better.I said P.k will never be able to be a strike bowler and now when he has lost pace and his zip we cannot take him to sa just because he did well in 2011 eng tour. Yes pathan did take out the openers .But who took the main wickets it was ishant .Pace does play a part against top batsman.Ishant potential is immense he struggled because h lost his wrist position and now when he is getting it back we cannot drop him if he does well against aus.

[JaFanatic]

I also watched the test matches in england,He did trouble the batsman but he lacked the penetration to get through them .Cook missed many same with strauss but lack of pace meant he could not get through them even allthough conditions helped him in first 2 test ,When ball got old he was not effective.England had piled on so much runs many guys got out attacking him in some innings.he got morgan and english lower middle order 2 times with 2nd new ball . As i said he has lost even that pace and zip.So he is out for good.

how can expect him to run through without any support from the other bowlers

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^ Yeah and Ishant' date=' Sreesanth, and RP Singh were running through the batsmen at the other end. Forget it, it's pointless talking about bowling to pace merchant worshipers like you - it's a simple equation for you, phaassht = good.[/quote'] Sreesanth did not so he is out of the team and so is rp singh.P.k did not have confidence of selectors and even dhoni who backed him in odis that he can bowl in indian conditions so he got dropped and regressed.so what is point in going back when he is not performing.I have watched many trundlers bowling for india and the attitude they show after the first spell .These guys yadav,ishant try till the last ball and i will support those .

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lol PK cant run thru a side n Ishant can?:hysterical::hysterical: he did not pick odd wicket,he picked 15 in 3 games,we lost bcoz Ishant n Sreesanth didnt support him,check thier stats.hes accurate enough too. again the question,apart from mighty WI tour,Ishant did well in which recent series?

Sreesanth and ishant did support him in 1st and 2nd test but he faltered in the 2nd inninds of lords test after ishant spell and all were hammered by eng tail in 2nd test.

[JaFanatic]

Sreesanth and isant did supprot him in 1st and 2nd test but he faltered in the 2nd inninds of lords test after ishant spell and all were hammered by eng tail in 2nd test.

:hmmm:thanx for the info

[The Outsider]

Sreesanth and ishant did support him in 1st and 2nd test but he faltered in the 2nd inninds of lords test after ishant spell and all were hammered by eng tail in 2nd test.

Praveen got hammered in the 2nd test? You want to drink water from the feet of Ishant, go ahead, but at least cut out the lies. As for the bold part

[rkt.india]

I can take any bowler who takes wickets but seeing PK in last one year does not give any confidence. BK looks as good as PK and seeing this FC season, we have some other better prospects than PK right now who are doing well. As I say one bowler alone wont make much of a difference until they bowl well as a unit, which is why teams like SA, Aus, England have done well. We need all three pacers doing well and complimenting each other.

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Praveen got hammered in the 2nd test? You want to drink water from the feet of Ishant, go ahead, but at least cut out the lies. As for the bold part

I mentioned By tail even though he got only 4 over in 1st innings Where dhoni did not bring him when england got away.in second innings. P Kumar 36 5 124 4 3.44 84.1 Kumar to Bresnan, no run, Praveen curls it away again from outside off, Bresnan defends solidly. 84.2 Kumar to Bresnan, no run, here comes the one regular appeal every PK over, a lovely away seamer, squares up Bresnan, but slips past the outside edge. Hit the back pad. No vaseline involved. Sure. 84.3 Kumar to Bresnan, no run, and another lbw appeal, hits him on the pad this time, a more straight forward refusal from Erasmus. It was heading down the leg side. 84.4 Kumar to Bresnan, no run, a touch wide outside off, Bresnan lets it go. 84.5 Kumar to Bresnan, 1 run, PK lands this too straight and Bresnan whips it with the angle through square leg for a single. 84.6 Kumar to Prior, no run, PK keeps Prior away from the strike for the next over. Sharp incutter, short of a length, cramping Prior for room as he considered the cut or the force down the ground. England 348/6 P Kumar 24-5-72-2 86.1 Kumar to Prior, FOUR, Prior rolls on, he gets a touch of width outside off and he guides Praveen calmly down to third man for four more. 86.2 Kumar to Prior, 1 run, short of a length outside off, Prior plays it away without timing but gets a sinjgle. 86.3 Kumar to Bresnan, no run, another one slithers away in the air, Bresnan is deceived but doesn't edge. 86.4 Kumar to Bresnan, no run, fuller, closet to Bresnan who drives solidly to mid-off. 86.5 Kumar to Bresnan, FOUR, well played Bresnan. PK puts it on a length around off, and Bresnan drives it in an accomplished style, on the up and straight down the ground. Ensured he kept it down though he wasn't to the pitch. 86.6 Kumar to Bresnan, no run, and he draws the bat inside the line this time as PK takes one away from a nagging length. England 357/6 P Kumar 25-5-81-2 93.1 Kumar to Bresnan, no run, back of a length and still shaping away, Bresnan adjusts and defends. 93.2 Kumar to Bresnan, no run, full length, wide of the stumps and going away from Bresnan who lets it go. 93.3 Kumar to Bresnan, no run, full and swinging away from off stump this time, Bresnan gets forward to the pitch and defends solidly to mid-off 93.4 Kumar to Bresnan, no run, loses the line this time, too wide of the stumps and Bresnan doesn't fiddle with it. 93.5 Kumar to Bresnan, no run, what a beauty from PK, he's somehow managed to churn out some really good balls amidst this filth. The lotus in the swamp. Full, draws him out, makes him play and bends away. Beaten. 93.6 Kumar to Bresnan, 1 run, and a single gifted. Bresnan drops a ball into the cover-point area and they scoot across for a single. England 409/6 P Kumar 26-5-82-2 95.1 Kumar to Prior, no run, short of a length, outside off, Prior doesn't middle it as he looks to force it from the crease. 95.2 Kumar to Prior, 1 run, fuller length and coming in from outside off, Prior steers another single through point. 95.3 Kumar to Bresnan, 1 leg bye, the lead is 350. Bresnan looks to work one off the pads, and it runs off the pads to the leg side. 95.4 Kumar to Prior, no run, PK continues to beat the outside edge with away swingers. Prior has a big swish at this as it goes away, but it misses the bat. 95.5 Kumar to Prior, no run, closer to the stumps, still shaping away. Prior covers the line and defends. 95.6 Kumar to Prior, 1 leg bye, PK pushes this down the leg side, it goes fine off the batsman's pad and Dhoni dives away to limit the damage. England 418/6 P Kumar 27-5-83-2 97.1 Kumar to Bresnan, no run, PK dangles it in again from wide of the crease and gets it to straighten from Bresnan, who leaves. 97.2 Kumar to Bresnan, no run, similar ball, not good enough to make Bresnan play and he leaves again. 97.3 Kumar to Bresnan, FOUR, India are being bled dry here. Over-pitched on the pads, Bresnan whiplashes it through square leg and Ishant seems to be groaning as he ambles across from long leg as the ball races away to the boundary. 97.4 Kumar to Bresnan, no run, plugs in on a length outside off, Bresnan is forward and defends. 97.5 Kumar to Bresnan, no run, PK drops this short, but too wide. Bresnan ducks and weaves. 97.6 Kumar to Bresnan, no run, another bumper to end the over, at a feeble pace, and Bresnan ducks under it as it angles in. England 426/6 P Kumar 28-5-87-2 99.1 Kumar to Prior, 1 run, back of a length outside off, Prior angles the bat for another single through point. 99.2 Kumar to Bresnan, FOUR, four more. PK drops it on the pads and Bresnan glances it along. No one at fine leg to stop that. 99.3 Kumar to Bresnan, 1 run, this one nips in at laborious pace, Bresnan plays it to the leg side for one. PK is feeling his leg in some pain now. India have come apart spectacularly. 99.4 Kumar to Prior, no run, back of a length outside off, guided through point 99.5 Kumar to Prior, no run, fuller length, no movement for Prior now, and he drills it out to mid-off 99.6 Kumar to Prior, no run, very late swing down the leg side, Dhoni can't collect cleanly and gloves it away. They get a bye. England 437/6 P Kumar 29-5-93-2 102.1 Kumar to Prior, no run, starts with an inswinger, driven back on the up, but Kumar fields in the follow-through 102.2 Kumar to Prior, FOUR, another inswinger, but straying down the leg side, and he has glanced this fine for another four - 13 already off the first eight balls 102.3 Kumar to Prior, FOUR, Beautiful shot, make that 17 off 19. Comes forward, reaches out for a length ball, and drives it between mid-off and extra cover 102.4 Kumar to Prior, OUT, Surprisingly, against the trend, India take a wicket. Only just about, I might add because Dhoni almost fluffed it. This was back of a length, pitching just outside off, Prior played at it, the bball moved away, took the edge, and almost popped out of Dhoni's glove. It didn't, however MJ Prior c «¥honi b Kumar 73 (107m 60b 10x4 1x6) SR: 121.66 102.5 Kumar to Broad, 1 wide, Kumar welcomes Broad with a bouncer, which is called wide for height 102.5 Kumar to Broad, no run, another short ball, outside off, and he drops his wrists out of the way 102.6 Kumar to Broad, no run, fuller this time, but short of driving length, moves away after pitching middle and leg, beats the edge England 459/7 P Kumar 30-5-102-3 104.1 Kumar to Bresnan, no run, outswinger around off, left alone by Bresnan 104.2 Kumar to Bresnan, no run, pitched up on the pads, driven straight to mid-on 104.3 Kumar to Bresnan, 1 run, short and wide, and cut fiercely to deep point for ne 104.4 Kumar to Broad, no run, left alone outside off, even though it is moving in to Broad. Good judgement 104.5 Kumar to Broad, 1 run, bowls the inswinger this time, Broad guides it past point for one 104.6 Kumar to Bresnan, 1 run, shortish ball, Bresnan tries a pull, gets a leading edge that flies square on the off side England 463/7 P Kumar 31-5-105-3 106.1 Kumar to Bresnan, no run, length ball, around off, pushed back to Kumar 106.2 Kumar to Bresnan, 1 run, cut away to deep point for one 106.3 Kumar to Broad, no run, the inswinger this time, starts outside off, and keeps moving away. Broad has nothing to do with this 106.4 Kumar to Broad, no run, similar delivery again, and again left alone 106.5 Kumar to Broad, no run, closer to off this time, and fuller too, makes Broad play, and beats him with the swing 106.6 Kumar to Broad, 2 runs, they are running India ragged here. Harbhajan - struggling with a stomach injury albeit - is very close at mid-off, this is hit slightly to his left, at gentle pace, and they come through for the single. Harbhajan doesn't even get a touch on it as he tries the swoop-and-throw, and concedes the second England 473/7 P Kumar 32-5-108-3 108.1 Kumar to Bresnan, no run, bouncer from Kumar, Bresnan ducks under it 108.2 Kumar to Bresnan, 1 run, guided past the slips for a single, along the ground 108.3 Kumar to Broad, no run, punched away, Broad seems to have got the invitation to the party. Fielded at extra cover, though 108.4 Kumar to Broad, 2 runs, played with an open face, they are putting immense pressure on the fielders here. Sreesanth fumbles at deep point, and they steal the second 108.5 Kumar to Broad, FOUR, Shot! This is something between a push and a punch, on the up, just meets the ball, and it flies across between mid-off and extra cover. Along the ground, in case you are wondering 108.6 Kumar to Broad, FOUR, No third man still. Broad swings merrily outside off, and the thick edge goes flying over slips England 495/7 P Kumar 33-5-119-3 115.1 Kumar to Broad, 2 runs, back of a length, gets an inside edge, fine of fine leg for a couple 115.2 Kumar to Broad, no run, played with an open face, towards point 115.3 Kumar to Broad, no run, full, around off, pushed to cover 115.4 Kumar to Broad, OUT, India get a run-out, and it can't be reversed. England have been running India ragged, here Baod pushes straight to towards cover, and wants the single. Substitute Saha swoops in, and throws underarm to catch Broad short SCJ Broad run out 44 (59m 32b 5x4 2x6) SR: 137.50 115.5 Kumar to Bresnan, OUT, Bresnan won't get a century! As good as the innings was, credit should also go to Kumar who has bowled his heart out. This one has extra bounce from a length, leaves him too, and takes the shoulder of the bat towards gully. Bresnan gets a deserved ovation as he walks back TT Bresnan c Dravid b Kumar 90 (146m 118b 17x4 0x6) SR: 76.27 115.6 Kumar to Anderson, no run, gets an inside edge from Anderson, but it hits the pad, and avoids the stumps England 540/9 P Kumar 34-5-121-4 117.1 Kumar to Swann, 1 run, angling into the pads, worked into the on side for a single 117.2 Kumar to Anderson, no run, inswinger, starts middle and leg, moving to off, pushed back to the bowler 117.3 Kumar to Anderson, no run, bouncer, Anderson ducks under it 117.4 Kumar to Anderson, no run, pushed to cover, comes forward to cover the movement 117.5 Kumar to Anderson, no run, chases one just wide of off, is beaten 117.6 Kumar to Anderson, 1 run, too straight, worked to fine leg for one England 543/9 P Kumar 35-5-123-4 119.1 Kumar to Swann, no run, comes forward to play this to cover 119.2 Kumar to Swann, no run, has a poke outside off, is beaten 119.3 Kumar to Swann, no run, pushes forward, and defends off the middle of the bat 119.4 Kumar to Swann, no run, goes for the big booming drive, Kumar misses the edge 119.5 Kumar to Swann, 1 run, back of a length, punched square for a single 119.6 Kumar to Anderson, no run, length ball, just outside off, pushed to cover England 544/9 P Kumar 36-5-124-4

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Sreesanth and ishant did support him in 1st and 2nd test but he faltered in the 2nd inninds of lords test after ishant spell and all were hammered by eng tail in 2nd test.

Sreesanth avg in that series -62 Ishant- 58 wat support:hail: