Batting Power Play - Death Bell

[Sachin=GOD]

Supersub wasnt that bad IMO wonder why teams hated it

I agree

[Switchblade]

Nehra VVS remember Zim tri series i still remember that kiwi game when Bond destroyed us before the Indian innings Allan Wilkins asked him that you have been subbed what u gona do now he said going to relax and i feel that supersub wont be needed to bat coz vl win by 8 wickets but it was the sub who made 50 in that game when v were 45-8

[fineleg]

Whats the Plan-B for batting powerplay? Say you take it, 2 settled batsman. One of them gets out - do they have a Plan-B, what is the other established batsman to do? Cut down risks or just keep trying to hit over the infield? Plan-C, if your 2nd settled batsman also gets out. I think India just goes with one plan. Go for big shots, no matter wickets are lost. And thats just fraught with danger like today.

[Switchblade]

Whats the Plan-B for batting powerplay? Say you take it, 2 settled batsman. One of them gets out - do they have a Plan-B, what is the other established batsman to do? Cut down risks or just keep trying to hit over the infield? Plan-C, if your 2nd settled batsman also gets out. I think India just goes with one plan. Go for big shots, no matter wickets are lost. And thats just fraught with danger like today.

I think that our batters who are settled start taking it lightly they start to feel that there is still some batting to come so they can take it easy thats where they go wrong and then i also think that pressure of making use of the PP also gets to them so its important that if a batsman is settled he makes sure he stays till the end and yester Gautam played a casual shot to get out

[Sachin=GOD]

^ No its not mandatory as far as I know. Correct me, if I'm wrong. Teams have on occasion 'forgotten' to take it in some matches?

if teams "forget" to take it then its compulsorily applied by the umpires in the 45th-50th over.

[DomainK]

As weird as it sounds - I'm just throwing a wild idea out there - Should we not take batting powerplay at all (just decline taking it) and just bat normally? Just like ODIs of the yesteryears. Maybe we can put 330 without too much added pressure that way? I dont know. Maybe this suggestion is knee-jerk based on horror that happened. But what do you folks think?

Yeah, the same old "dont get married to avoid a divorce". PP is not bad. What's bad is how we deal with it.It's an opportunity, but is tricky. Batting PP usually demands set batsmen to change gears. Somewhere there is a feeling of insecurity if the batsmen are not hitting 10 runs an over during PP. We saw what NZ did to Pakistan in PP. They took the PP, forced Pakistan to finish off their best bowlers during PP, played it out and launched an all out attack when the weaker bowlers came towards the end of the innings. That was intelligent. I don't know if that was planned or not, but there is a lesson for all the captains. You don't have to hit everything in PP.

[Kriterion]

As weird as it sounds - I'm just throwing a wild idea out there - Should we not take batting powerplay at all (just decline taking it) and just bat normally? Just like ODIs of the yesteryears. Maybe we can put 330 without too much added pressure that way? I dont know. Maybe this suggestion is knee-jerk based on horror that happened. But what do you folks think?

that is bangladesh's strategy...wait till 46th over to take it, which becomes enforced. i'm actually surprised that all teams are struggling with the batting PP...its been 2.5 years since the introduction. i thought only bangladesh was clueless about it, but so far India, England, SA have all fudged it up. only NZ and Pakistan, ironically, seem to know what to do with it.

[Sachin=GOD]

Dhoni said one very true thing at the presentation yesterday - the team should stop batting for the crowds. In Powerplay very often batsmen try to hit too many shots because its the "powerplay" and people want to see some shots being hit - if teams just bat normally in powerplay then they would be much better off IMO.

[zen]

take it when Viru is batting, he is the best one to take advantage of it. After 15 overs, he would be well settled anyway .... Wait for a couple of overs after drinks break and then take it If viru gets out, take it when the likes of YP are around. Last option: Take it around the 40th over, you have to go for big shots anyways at this point Really depends upon when you want the momentum to build up or snatch it from the opposition to get close to RRR or par score or when guys who can utilize it are batting

[kabira]

You have to take it strategically, not only for runs, but at the time team will bring their best bowler and that means 2 or 3 overs from him. If best bowler bowls out, slog overs become easier. Thats one tactic. Another one is when batsman gets out early in the powerplay, send someone like bhajji. He anyways likes to hit from first ball, if he gets out, then start playing percentage shots. I have seen the batsman who is batting over 100, struggles in Batting PP, Strauss got out, Sachin twice now...

[cowboysfan]

the problem is that we dont have raina.if we lose a wicket then none of the batsmen coming in can hit from the get go,it just spirals from there.I would either take it early or delay it as far as possible.

[zen]

Btw, there is a thread discussing this subject already. May be Mods want to merge Batting PP: a game changer

[vvvslaxman]

Power play doesn't mean we must score 50 runs in that period. If 2 or 3 wickets are down in that period they shut the shop down and focus on doing the repair job.

[Anakin]

I personally think pp is not taken at the proper time and the whole idea with it is very confusing. I think they should take it around 35-40 (give or take a couple of overs here and there). And they don't have to go all guns blazing at it. It's just an added benefit of having bit more unguarded areas in the outfield. So, they should just play normal cricket, which would benefit them more since these are good batsmen and they usually get runs anyways and having fewer fields-men on the rope would mean more runs usually.

[Ultimate_Game]

It needs to be drilled into the batsmen's mind that power-play doesn't mean that you have to throw your bat at everything as if it's the 50th over of the innings. You still have to play proper shots just like you do rest of the innings. The only difference should be that one of the two set batsmen should go for the shots and one has to bat through the innings. If a set batsman bats through the innings you are bound to put up a good total on the board. Once Tendulkar got out Gambhir should have assessed the situation and should have batted through the innings and other batsmen coming in should have settled down to bat through the 50 overs. Unfortunately nobody showed common sense in the game. Tendulkar should also look at how he approaches the power-play. This is the 2nd time he has got out in the batting power-play when he was well set and had a 100 to his name (against Eng and SA). He is such a good batsman he shouldn't look to do anything different and bat normally. If bad ball comes his way he should hit those for 4s and keep on rotating the strike rest of the way. Hopefully we learnt the lesson and wouldn't repeat the same mistakes.

[vvvslaxman]

There is no perfect time for a power play. If it clicks it is a good time, if it doesn't it is a bad time. It is all down to the quality of bowling and quality of batting that decide whether a power play is a good one or not. In this specific match India never needed power play to boost the runs. Infact without power play India was able to rotate strike better.

[Anakin]

Even SRT is guilty of trying to go on all out attack during PP. Not sure why he does that. He can score very briskly at any time playing classical shots. Same thing for someone like UV.

[Sid]

Either take the PP from 16-20 overs or 46-50 overs,no need to take in between on these flat tracks,when the runs are already coming freely without the PP.

[Ultimate_Game]

There is no perfect time for a power play. If it clicks it is a good time, if it doesn't it is a bad time. It is all down to the quality of bowling and quality of batting that decide whether a power play is a good one or not. In this specific match India never needed power play to boost the runs. Infact without power play India was able to rotate strike better.

Spot on! The purpose of power-play depends on the match situation. If you are chasing and need 9 an over, or if you are setting a target and have a run rate of around 4.5, obviously you will have to go all out and try to get as many runs as possible. But if you are comfortably placed and have already done the hard yards like India had done in the game against SA, the batsmen have to play normal cricket the same way they had done till that time - nothing extra-ordinary should be required.

[Guest prince]

When is the best time to use the batting powerplay? The first 10 overs of powerplay are compulsory, then the bowling side usually takes their bowling powerplay from overs 11-15 so when is the best time to use the batting powerplay for the batting side?