saneindian Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 With Zaheer at the other end and the comparatively cooler climate of England, Ishant could be a real headache for the Poms. Zak to take care of the lefties and Ishant unleashed on the right handers, its going to be fun. Additionally, can we have grassy wickets please? :--D
rkt.india Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 With Zaheer at the other end and the comparatively cooler climate of England, Ishant could be a real headache for the Poms. Zak to take care of the lefties and Ishant unleashed on the right handers, its going to be fun. Additionally, can we have grassy wickets please? :--D Yeah I believe How PK has been consistent here and also swung the ball in WI. I will pick him ahead of Sreeshanth for tests in England. This attack can really create problems and if bhajji bowls like this and Mishra is not effective too. WE may look to play 4 pacers though doe sound logical..one spinner is must to change the pace...but harbhajan needs to bowl accurate.
say2chander Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 His 5fer in IPL kind of showed he was coming back to his 2008 form. Just need to be more consistent
Karan114 Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Yeah I believe How PK has been consistent here and also swung the ball in WI. I will pick him ahead of Sreeshanth for tests in England. This attack can really create problems and if bhajji bowls like this and Mishra is not effective too. WE may look to play 4 pacers though doe sound logical..one spinner is must to change the pace...but harbhajan needs to bowl accurate. Let's wait till the end of the series before passing all these judgements. If Praveen gets clattered at Barbados and Dominicia, then what? That's if he gets selected for the next Test - if he keeps running onto the danger area, then he is first going to have to sort that problem out in the nets, no matter how many wickets he takes. As for Bhajji, he took 2-150 odd in the first Test in SA. But he finished the series with an average of 29. Hell, we aren't finished even with this first Test yet, he could yet finish with good figures even here. Fact is, we have one world class pacer, Zaheer Khan. Ishant and Sreesanth are inconsistent - they have some good games but also some horrendous ones. Playing four pacers is an option if you are the WI of the 80s. India patently are not.
EnterTheVoid Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Serani, answer these two questions please: 1. Are you a boy or a girl? If you are a girl, are you hot? 2. Who would you like to see Ishant g@ngrape more, Windies or United Nations 11?
Serani Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Who the hell are you? You been around 10 minutes, you dont know anything.
ganeshran Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 guys please dont make personal attacks against posters (except those who are trolls like Sir_Afridi :winky:)
Sidhoni Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 guys please dont make personal attacks against posters (except those who are trolls like Sir_Afridi :winky:) :haha::haha:
King Tendulkar Posted June 23, 2011 Author Posted June 23, 2011 guys please dont make personal attacks against posters (except those who are trolls like Sir_Afridi :winky:):haha:
Rana Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 There is something different in his bowling now. Real power and strenghth. His deliveries scare me, real venom. Proper fast bowler now. He will shake england up :haha:
express bowling Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Ishant is one of the few bowlers who have been blessed with both genuine pace and steep bounce as he is around 6'6". This makes many of his deliveries really fearsome. He is also bowling his indippers regularly and mixing this with a few straighter ones and leg- cutters. All this is great. His bowling qualities are really incomparable. BUT The problem with him is that he comes across as a slow learner and somebody who does not think while he is bowling, thereby often wasting his incredible talent. Ishant desparately needs an effective mentor within the Indian cricket team who will tell him what to do and how to use his talent. Eric Simmons does not come across as that person. Guys like Wasim Akram and Manoj Prabhakar have misguided him in the past. He can become the real thing immediately if guided properly. Otherwise it may take 3 or 4 years before he himself will slowly learn the art of bowling consistently and what to bowl to which batsmen and under different conditions. He is definitely a better bowler with a slightly older ball. It seems that he is unable to control the new ball and it moves too much. I sincerely hope he gets a good mentor in maybe Fletcher and nobody messes around with him again and teaches him wrong things not suited to his style.
singhprakash72 Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Strange Phenomenon of New Indian fast bowlers losing the pace seems to been stalled momentarily. But its still puzzles me bowlers like Ishant,Munaf,Irfan,RP started with upwards of 140 Kmph end up bowling downwards of 130 Kmph. Is it now more profound because of speed guns ?? I am sure late in their career Kapil and for that matter Imran were bowling pretty slow medium stuff, but they were in mid 30s. These bowlers are still in their 20s.
rkt.india Posted June 24, 2011 Posted June 24, 2011 Strange Phenomenon of New Indian fast bowlers losing the pace seems to been stalled momentarily. But its still puzzles me bowlers like Ishant,Munaf,Irfan,RP started with upwards of 140 Kmph end up bowling downwards of 130 Kmph. Is it now more profound because of speed guns ?? I am sure late in their career Kapil and for that matter Imran were bowling pretty slow medium stuff, but they were in mid 30s. These bowlers are still in their 20s. Irfan and RP were never 140+ bowler. They are swing bowlers and bowl in mid 130s that is enough if a bowler can swing the ball and right line and length.
Fontaine Posted June 29, 2011 Posted June 29, 2011 The problem with him is that he comes across as a slow learner and somebody who does not think while he is bowling' date=' thereby often wasting his incredible talent.[/quote'] I don't agree with that. He's got Sarwan out three times this series and twice with the same delivery that seams in at a fuller length after he's set him up with a few straight ones outside the offstump. Again today he got a left hander Bishoo out by correctly bowling short to his weakeness and then immediately getting the right hander Sarwan out from a completely different length moving in. That shows a lot of control and premeditation. The thing Ishant needs is more pitches like we've seen in the series so far where he can continue to learn instead of bowling on completely flat tracks where there's no seam movement or bounce. This year is a big one for Ishant considering three tours on fast/bouncy tracks and he's started off EXACTLY like he should have, leading the attack. The only help he needs is for the selectors and team to give him plenty of rest to recover in between series instead of over bowlng him in T20/ODI matches.
Fontaine Posted June 29, 2011 Posted June 29, 2011 With Zaheer/Ishant and guys like PK/Sree/Munaf we've got the ability to take the top/middle order wickets. The bigger concern is how our spinners are struggling badly to get even tail enders out.
cowboysfan Posted June 29, 2011 Posted June 29, 2011 With Zaheer/Ishant and guys like PK/Sree/Munaf we've got the ability to take the top/middle order wickets. The bigger concern is how our spinners are struggling badly to get even tail enders out. THIS.
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