Utalk Posted July 19, 2011 Posted July 19, 2011 What is Akram doing in there when he is not even the best Pakistani pacer.
The Outsider Posted July 19, 2011 Posted July 19, 2011 What is Akram doing in there when he is not even the best Pakistani pacer. He is the best Pakistani pace bowler and moreover offers a left hand option in the attack. Imran was great, but not as good as Akram IMO and Waqar is quite frankly one of the most overhyped bowlers ever - was good till the pace lasted in the first 4-5 years against the weaker teams, but was hardly ever a threat to the best batsmen in the world. Testimonies from great batsmen who actually faced these guys never even mention Waqar as a challenge and everyone lauds Akram.
Utalk Posted July 19, 2011 Posted July 19, 2011 He is the best Pakistani pace bowler and moreover offers a left hand option in the attack. Imran was great' date=' but not as good as Akram IMO and Waqar is quite frankly one of the most overhyped bowlers ever - was good till the pace lasted in the first 4-5 years against the weaker teams, but was hardly ever a threat to the best batsmen in the world. Testimonies from great batsmen who actually faced these guys never even mention Waqar as a challenge and everyone lauds Akram.[/quote'] Akram was more talented then Imran but on field results prove Imran achieved far better results. TEST BOWLING AGAINST EACH OPPONENT IMRAN KHAN Opponent Balls Mdns Runs Wkts BB Ave 5wI 10wM Australia 3994 140 1598 64 6-63 24.96 3 1 England 2919 116 1158 47 7-40 24.63 4 1 India 5078 216 2260 94 8-60 24.04 6 2 New Zealand 2191 68 874 31 5-106 28.19 1 0 Sri Lanka 1788 76 673 46 8-58 14.63 3 1 West Indies 3488 111 1695 80 7-80 21.18 6 1 TEST BOWLING AGAINST EACH OPPONENT WASIM AKRAM Opponent Balls Mdns Runs Wkts BB Ave 5wI 10wM Australia 2990 102 1288 50 6-62 25.76 4 1 England 3982 150 1748 57 6-67 30.66 2 0 India 2928 104 1299 45 5-96 28.86 2 0 New Zealand 2526 106 1021 60 7-119 17.01 6 2 South Africa 846 36 387 13 4-42 29.76 0 0 Sri Lanka 3274 152 1340 63 5-43 21.26 3 0 West Indies 3550 121 1645 79 6-61 20.82 4 1 Zimbabwe 2401 97 997 47 6-48 21.21 4 1 Imran had sub 25 average against every team apart from NZ whilst Akram feasted on Zim-NZ etc.
Midfielder Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 Kapil ahead of Kallis' date=' Hadlee, Botham, Imran, Sobers is a joke[/quote'] I have not seen Sobers but I have seen Kapil. His nos maynot be good but he turned Indian cricket on its head. He was the most enjoyable player I have watched. In the end it is all about wins not some stats. Others did not win jack whereas Kapil was successful in taking a average team and winning WC. The greatest ever.
Utalk Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 I have not seen Sobers but I have seen Kapil. His nos maynot be good but he turned Indian cricket on its head. He was the most enjoyable player I have watched. In the end it is all about wins not some stats. Others did not win jack whereas Kapil was successful in taking a average team and winning WC. The greatest ever. Are we talking test cricket here?
Utalk Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 I have not seen Sobers but I have seen Kapil. His nos maynot be good but he turned Indian cricket on its head. He was the most enjoyable player I have watched. In the end it is all about wins not some stats. Others did not win jack whereas Kapil was successful in taking a average team and winning WC. The greatest ever. Kapil featured in 24 wins in 131 tests at less then 19% win ratio. unfiltered 1978-1994 131 5248 163 31.05 8 434 9/83 29.64 23 64 0 Profile filtered 1979-1994 24 904 109 33.48 1 90 7/56 18.30 3 18 Imran featured in 26 wins in 88 tests at nearly 30%. unfiltered 1971-1992 88 3807 136 37.69 6 362 8/58 22.81 23 28 0 Profile filtered 1976-1992 26 900 117 36.00 1 155 8/58 14.50 11 10 0 Imran averages 36 to kapils 33 with the bat in wins and 14 to 18 with the ball.Vote whoever you want but dont even TRY to suggest Kapil was a better match winner then other all rounders.
Midfielder Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 Are we talking test cricket here? Good point. I got carried away with my admiration for this man which he deserves. I dont dispute the nos you have but they dont tell the full story. Imran came when Pakistan had well established pace attack and Kapil came when Bedi was the Captain and the four spinners thought no one else could take any wickets. He was in wrong place at wrong time bu that still does not diminish his importance. Imran was good too but call it personal bias. preference or whatever for me Kapil was the best ever.
Midfielder Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 Other point is that he had the courage to go against establishment, stood his ground and at the same time always led the team. A very polite caring individual who never sought any spotlight. No blemish against his personal orr private life, like I said the best ever. If you dont believe it ask me. Seriously.
Utalk Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 Good point. I got carried away with my admiration for this man which he deserves. I dont dispute the nos you have but they dont tell the full story. Imran came when Pakistan had well established pace attack and Kapil came when Bedi was the Captain and the four spinners thought no one else could take any wickets. He was in wrong place at wrong time bu that still does not diminish his importance. Imran was good too but call it personal bias. preference or whatever for me Kapil was the best ever. Fair enough its down to personal choice mate.I thought you were bringing WC win to prove his deserved a place in test 11.To me Sobers is the best all rounder to have played the game. Kapil is one of my favourite Indian players and was a damn good player.
achilles Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 Well, if I answer that honestly, several people including you will start sobbing about hurt sentiments. But that does not change the fact about what you came across as by making that dumb post. Just, so you know that list is not of the best batsmen by the ICC but of the highest peak ratings obtained in the ICC rankings. Maturity teaches people to accept everyone's opinions. By the looks of it, you want to run about crying "idiot, idiot" whenever someone disagrees with you. Frankly, thats extremely childish. Grow up. As far as my post and the "rankings" go, it was simply tit-for-tat. And I was talking to Serani, not you.
Mariyam Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 Just one question here. Why Gilchrist over Dhoni? Both are similar batsmen. Dhoni has won the ODI WC as has Gilchrist, but Dhoni did it with an average bowling attack. Dhoni is the better captain. Dhoni won the T 20 WC and lead us to #1 in tests too. Dhoni's wicket keeping is better too. I mean in terms of athletics and general jumping around the field. Very close to call between the two.
Crookbond Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 Just one question here. Why Gilchrist over Dhoni? Both are similar batsmen. Dhoni has won the ODI WC as has Gilchrist, but Dhoni did it with an average bowling attack. Dhoni is the better captain. Dhoni won the T 20 WC. Dhoni's wicket keeping is better too. I mean in terms of athletics and general jumping around the field. Very close to call between the two. Gilchrist redefined the role of wicket keeper. I think you should hold your horses for Dhoni till he retires.
akshayxyz Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 Just one question here. Why Gilchrist over Dhoni? Both are similar batsmen. Dhoni has won the ODI WC as has Gilchrist, but Dhoni did it with an average bowling attack. Dhoni is the better captain. Dhoni won the T 20 WC and lead us to #1 in tests too. Dhoni's wicket keeping is better too. I mean in terms of athletics and general jumping around the field. Very close to call between the two. :cough: :cough: ..we are talking test matches
Trichromatic Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 Just one question here. Why Gilchrist over Dhoni? Both are similar batsmen. Dhoni has won the ODI WC as has Gilchrist, but Dhoni did it with an average bowling attack. Dhoni is the better captain. Dhoni won the T 20 WC and lead us to #1 in tests too. Dhoni's wicket keeping is better too. I mean in terms of athletics and general jumping around the field. Very close to call between the two. :cough: :cough: ..we are talking test matches Dhoni still has long way to go in test matches. He hasn't done much in longer format of the game. On the other hand Gilly was one of the most important batsman for Australia. He won many matches on his own and his wicket-keeping skills were better than Dhoni, at least in my opinion.
mishra Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 :cough: :cough: ..we are talking test matches Was Gilly really effective in tests?
ahilya Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 Imran khan should be there .he was the hottest cricketer on field. :give_heart2:
Trichromatic Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 Was Gilly really effective in tests? http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/63919.html
achilles Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 Gilchrist redefined the role of wicket keeper. I think you should hold your horses for Dhoni till he retires. You stand corrected. Farokh Engineer did.
Crookbond Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 Imran khan should be there .he was the hottest cricketer on field. :give_heart2: I think the lady means Imran Khan the actor. "Jaane Tu...."
Crookbond Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 You stand corrected. Farokh Engineer did. Farokh Engineer opened the batting. After Gilchrist, everyone expects WK's to bat. Not the same after Engineer.
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