BCCI's non existent injury management system and India's growing injury problems : Are things falling apart finally?

[Texy]

This board is an absolute disgrace...run by arm twisting politicians and businessmen. There is no professional hierarchy and no management system. No one gives a damn as long as the revenue is flowing. Where is all this money going?

[Karan114]

Its a sick joke for Indian fans that while the world rails against how the BCCI bullying is destroying international cricket, in reality the only country's cricket that the BCCI and IPL is killing is India's. While England goes from strength to strength led by a board that places Test success as the no.1 priority, India has begun its descent into a second rate Test team led by a board whose only priority is to make money, no matter how dodgy.

[asterix]

Actually BCCI was very lucky to STRIKE GOLD in limited overs format (T20, ODIs & IPL) and the Maharathi players (present & retired) who wanted to do well in Test matches.. BCCI went on to build an empire. The moment the remaining Maharathi players (who have been saving M$D's **** for long time now) retire, this whole empire, hype will vanish & rockstar overhyped players will have a pretty rude awakening and GPel (***** Pe Laat)...

[rkt.india]

And Rajiv Shukla was saying if a player is tired of too much cricket he can take break at any time and we will select a replacement for that player. So many players are waiting in line. Some one should Rajiv Shukla to find replacement of Zak or Viru who can perform 50% of them.

[Guest Gunner]

Its a sick joke for Indian fans that while the world rails against how the BCCI bullying is destroying international cricket' date=' in reality the only country's cricket that the BCCI and IPL is killing is India's.[b'] While England goes from strength to strength led by a board that places Test success as the no.1 priority, India has begun its descent into a second rate Test team led by a board whose only priority is to make money, no matter how dodgy.

If you believe that, then I highly rate the British PR machinery and media. I have used the British PR machinery to the advantage of the industry I work for last year and I know they are very good but this is astonishing. The only ****ing reason the ECB has been planting those stories is because they have simply been unable to replicate the IPL (heaven knows they tried, just ask Giles) and in Andy Flower they found a very hungry man who is building up a powerful team. They have done nothing more than that.

[Crookbond]

If you believe that, then I highly rate the British PR machinery and media. I have used the British PR machinery to the advantage of the industry I work for last year and I know they are very good but this is astonishing. The only ****ing reason the ECB has been planting those stories is because they have simply been unable to replicate the IPL (heaven knows they tried, just ask Giles) and in Andy Flower they found a very hungry man who is building up a powerful team. They have done nothing more than that.

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[The Realist]

If you believe that, then I highly rate the British PR machinery and media. I have used the British PR machinery to the advantage of the industry I work for last year and I know they are very good but this is astonishing. The only ****ing reason the ECB has been planting those stories is because they have simply been unable to replicate the IPL (heaven knows they tried, just ask Giles) and in Andy Flower they found a very hungry man who is building up a powerful team. They have done nothing more than that.

Excellent point. ECB are arguably even more clueless than the BCCI, remember the shambles when they tried to get into bed with Stanford. Sent a full strength Eng team which got destroyed by a WI Select XI. Were pathetically chasing the dollar and trying to compete with IPL when it was as clear as a day they had no product to compete with. The county scene is dying, has far too many teams, a low quality of play, nobody comes to watch the league games and even attendances for the bloated domestic T20 have peaked and are in decline. Cricket is no longer available on free-to-air TV, few kids play it at school and once the football season starts in 2 weeks it will get minimal coverage in the media. As a viable business model, the ECB are digging their own grave.

[Guest Gunner]

Excellent point. ECB are arguably even more clueless than the BCCI, remember the shambles when they tried to get into bed with Stanford. Sent a full strength Eng team which got destroyed by a WI Select XI. Were pathetically chasing the dollar and trying to compete with IPL when it was as clear as a day they had no product to compete with. The county scene is dying, has far too many teams, a low quality of play, nobody comes to watch the league games and even attendances for the bloated domestic T20 have peaked and are in decline. Cricket is no longer available on free-to-air TV, few kids play it at school and once the football season starts in 2 weeks it will get minimal coverage in the media. As a viable business model, the ECB are digging their own grave.

I left out this part, since a lot of non-UK residents may not understand how this works. English cricket has been in a slow motion car crash for a few years now. Many people on these forums think that British people are out on the streets celebrating this famous victory over India and gloating/talking about it. What they fail to realize is that sadly many English people are probably not even aware that India are touring England or who plays for England in the team. One of my colleagues asked me how Vaughan was doing, I had to break the sad news of his retirement.

[Chandan]

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Excellent point. ECB are arguably even more clueless than the BCCI, remember the shambles when they tried to get into bed with Stanford. Sent a full strength Eng team which got destroyed by a WI Select XI. Were pathetically chasing the dollar and trying to compete with IPL when it was as clear as a day they had no product to compete with. The county scene is dying, has far too many teams, a low quality of play, nobody comes to watch the league games and even attendances for the bloated domestic T20 have peaked and are in decline. Cricket is no longer available on free-to-air TV, few kids play it at school and once the football season starts in 2 weeks it will get minimal coverage in the media. As a viable business model, the ECB are digging their own grave.

I left out this part' date=' since a lot of non-UK residents may not understand how this works. English cricket has been in a slow motion car crash for a few years now. Many people on these forums think that British people are out on the streets celebrating this famous victory over India and gloating/talking about it. What they fail to realize is that sadly many English people are probably not even aware that India are touring England or who plays for England in the team. One of my colleagues asked me how Vaughan was doing, I had to break the sad news of his retirement.[/quote'] What clueless posts! Instead of concentrating on what BCCI is lacking or what a laughable support system the most busy and strained team has or what a terrible pool of players we have because of the muddled thinking of lack of vision of our selectors and how finally BCCI's utter unprofessional management/administration is the root cause of all this, you guys prefer to basg ECB. What has ECB got to do with a thread which is expressing its concern over non existent injury management system in BCCI and is also proposing few solutions?

[Guest Gunner]

What clueless posts! Instead of concentrating on what BCCI is lacking or what a laughable support system the most busy and strained team has or what a terrible pool of players we have because of the muddled thinking of lack of vision of our selectors and how finally BCCI's utter unprofessional management/administration is the root cause of all this, you guys prefer to basg ECB. What has ECB got to do with a thread which is expressing its concern over non existent injury management system in BCCI and is also proposing few solutions?

That wouldn't have been the case if one of the posters hadn't mentioned the superiority of the ECB which is just blatantly incorrect. As far as BCCI is concerned, I don't believe that India or Indians can change anything. This is why I never waste time talking about changing any "systems" in India.

[achilles]

When a half-fit player is forced to captain his team in the IPL, by his commerical bosses, it shows the amount of regard the country has.

[Zero_Unit]

I left out this part' date=' since a lot of non-UK residents may not understand how this works. English cricket has been in a slow motion car crash for a few years now. Many people on these forums think that British people are out on the streets celebrating this famous victory over India and gloating/talking about it. What they fail to realize is that sadly many English people are probably not even aware that India are touring England or who plays for England in the team. One of my colleagues asked me how Vaughan was doing, I had to break the sad news of his retirement.[/quote'] You must be kidding me? If what you speak is the truth then not just ECB, BCCI, etc, cricket in general seems to be dying.

[Chandan]

That wouldn't have been the case if one of the posters hadn't mentioned the superiority of the ECB which is just blatantly incorrect. As far as BCCI is concerned, I don't believe that India or Indians can change anything. This is why I never waste time talking about changing any "systems" in India.

Sorry Gunner but I'll believe the author of the article any day over anyone else here on ICF as he has covered cricket both in England as well as in India. And he believes that ECB's injury managing mechanism is light years ahead of BCCI. They have a system in place which may not be the most brilliant in the world but is still one the best among the cricket boards around the world and it shows too. England's players are wonderfully managed at the moment and India's players are left at their own behest. Result is there for everyone for see. Anyway, the purpose of this thread was not to compare ECB and BCCI.

[Guest Gunner]

Sorry Gunner but I'll believe the author of the article any day over anyone else here on ICF as he has covered cricket both in England as well as in India. And he believes that ECB's injury managing mechanism is light years ahead of BCCI. They have a system in place which may not be the most brilliant in the world but is still one the best among the cricket boards around the world and it shows too. England's players are wonderfully managed at the moment and India's players are left at their own behest. Result is there for everyone for see. Anyway, the purpose of this thread was not to compare ECB and BCCI.

Nowhere has he talked about the superiority of the ECB's system, he just says that the FA (Football Association) has a chief medical office. I don't even think football and cricket is a good comparison.

[someone]

I think it is really pathetic to blame BCCI as "the" reason for these problems. Firstly, they never had any fitness related regime ever, no one bothered to ask when we were winning, yet when one or two losses, this issue becomes more important. Secondly, BCCI is made up of us "common" cricket fans. They like us want cricket and so IPL was created. It was created for us and it really has been the best thing for cricket in the last 20 years. We have increased our numbers in our bench strength and arguably that has been the biggest reason for our success.

[thevortex]

Nowhere has he talked about the superiority of the ECB's system' date=' he just says that the FA (Football Association) has a chief medical office. I don't even think football and cricket is a good comparison.[/quote'] Nice spot. Why just stop at Indian cricket's medical/injury management system? What about grassroots systems? What about talent management? What about coaching systems? What about playing surfaces, scheduling and the whole lot? What sickens me is that people 'remember' these things and make noise about it only when India does badly. When India wins, everything is right with the world. A cricket team or just about any team in the world will move positively forward only when they learn from their victories. Not just from their defeats.

[fineleg]

They like us want cricket and so IPL was created. It was created for us and it really has been the best thing for cricket in the last 20 years. We have increased our numbers in our bench strength and arguably that has been the biggest reason for our success.

Vaaat? Vaat? :haha: We have increased Cowlasher bench strength :facepalm: Quality cricketers like Dravid, Lax, SRT, ZK, Kumble...didnt require IPL to increase bench strength

[yoda]

With so much injury blame going around, do we have any explanation for why non-injured players like SRT, Laxman, Harbhajan, Gambhir (before his injury), Dhoni all have sucked majorly this series?

[darkknight]

If you believe that, then I highly rate the British PR machinery and media. I have used the British PR machinery to the advantage of the industry I work for last year and I know they are very good but this is astonishing. The only ****ing reason the ECB has been planting those stories is because they have simply been unable to replicate the IPL (heaven knows they tried, just ask Giles) and in Andy Flower they found a very hungry man who is building up a powerful team. They have done nothing more than that.

Partly true may be, but England had strong pedigree and heritage for test cricket and with out good management, it would have perished. I still believe, even if they could replicate (partly) IPL success here, there still will be strong test players.

[darkknight]

What clueless posts! Instead of concentrating on what BCCI is lacking or what a laughable support system the most busy and strained team has or what a terrible pool of players we have because of the muddled thinking of lack of vision of our selectors and how finally BCCI's utter unprofessional management/administration is the root cause of all this, you guys prefer to basg ECB. What has ECB got to do with a thread which is expressing its concern over non existent injury management system in BCCI and is also proposing few solutions?

I don't agree, if we have a problem which needs sorting out, we need to look at places where it's reasonably managed and how they are doing. We can not ignore the 2-3 well maintained boards around the board and try to learn.