ravishingravi Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 ABBOTTABAD: The young Pakistani officer sighs when he thinks about what happened to Osama bin Laden. “Was he really here?” he says. “All that, it’s like 9/11, we don’t even know if it really happened.” Sitting at the end of the track leading to the compound where US Navy SEALs killed the Al-Qaeda leader on May 2, Abdullah prefers to enjoy the fresh air blowing down from the Himalayas than relive his country’s darkest hour. “This is a holiday compared to Mathani or Charsaddah,” he added, referring to parts of the northwest where Taliban bomb attacks and shootings have killed so many of his colleagues. Abdullah is just one of millions in Pakistan who doubt that bin Laden was behind the 9/11 attacks. That spotlights the country’s ambiguous relationship with extremism and selective approach to militants in what Washington calls the headquarters of Al-Qaeda. The ambiguity is all the starker given that the cataclysmic events of September 11 dragged the nuclear power into a decade of fighting and violence that the government in Islamabad claims has killed 35,000 people. The bulk of the Taliban and Al-Qaeda escaped the US invasion of Afghanistan by fleeing into Pakistan. The army —furious with the West for doubting its commitment to the terror fight — says more than 3,000 soldiers have died battling them since. Opposed to the US alliance, jihadist groups —once sponsored by the state to fight in Afghanistan and against India —have splintered into a local Taliban blamed for more than four years of unrelenting bomb attacks. In such a country —so fearful of India, distrustful of America and protective of its traditional influence over Afghanistan as a counterweight to Indian power —conspiracy theories fester unchecked. Wahab Khan Maseeb, 20, leaves his lectures at the medical faculty in Abbottabad. A young Pakistani-American in jeans and a T-shirt, he was in school in Brooklyn on that fateful day 10 years ago. He saw the ash cover everything. But was it an militant attack? Wahab hesitates. Like others, he saw the “Loose Change” series of documentary films, which accused elements of the US government of carrying out the 9/11 attacks. “It was pretty convincing,” he says. In a country awash with anti-Americanism and anti-Semitism, Pakistani newspapers peddled totally unsubstantiated claims that 4,000 Jews didn’t turn up to work in New York that day, so the attacks were somehow a Zionist plot. Such theories are preached from mosques and propagated by madrassas responsible for the education of millions of largely penniless children. Diplomatically, the United States has never been more frustrated with Pakistan for refusing to, or being incapable of, rounding up Al-Qaeda allies in the northwestern tribal belt. US troops say the Haqqani network, whose leadership is based in North Waziristan, poses the biggest threat to security in Afghanistan, yet Pakistani intelligence agents are known to have close ties to the group. “And yet there is no choice but to maintain a relationship with Pakistan. Why? Because we’re fighting a war there,” US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said recently. With the US relationship worse than ever in the wake of the bin Laden raid, the perception that the United States has dragged Pakistan deeper into disaster is prevalent among all classes of society. “Even educated people now believe in these theories, largely because of a large distrust with the US,” says journalist Zahid Hussain, author of “Frontline Pakistan” and “The Scorpion’s Tail”. The danger is that conspiracy theories create a climate in which it is easier for extremist networks to recruit. “The wave of intolerance sweeping the country is also due substantially to the conspiracy theories put about by the ruling establishment and their allies in the media,” wrote Ahmed Rashid this summer in the New Republic magazine. One popular narrative —that Washington is in cahoots with India and Israel to destroy Pakistan’s nuclear weapons and the Muslim world —papers over inadequacies of corruption and inefficiency closer to home. After the May 2 bin Laden raid, for example, Pakistan denounced the violation of sovereignty rather than elaborate on how and why the Al-Qaeda leader managed to live for years near the country’s top military academy. Four months on, there are still no answers, feeding suspicions of collusion between elements in the security forces and Al-Qaeda. “Certainly there were perhaps retired or mid-level elements in the intelligence agencies who perhaps knew bin Laden was in the country or how to get messages to him,” Rashid told AFP. Instead of blaming India, Israel and the United States, Pakistanis should realise “it is the selective state sponsorship of extremism that is destroying the country”, he wrote in New Republic. http://www.dawn.com/2011/08/25/pakistanis-in-denial-10-years-after-911.html
1983-2011 Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 who cares what pakistanis think!! why are we so obsessed with pakistan?? there are so many people in the western world who have doubts over 9/11 and believes that it was an inside job.
jaggadaku Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 who cares what pakistanis think!! why are we so obsessed with pakistan?? there are so many people in the western world who have doubts over 9/11 and believes that it was an inside job. mostly white supremacists believe in that ****
Number Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 They have been in denial for not 10 but for past 60 years. 9/11 , 7/7 were all inside jobs. 26/11 is a Bollywood story. Kids are taught to hate India and Hindus. If someone thinks they will ever accept the truth , then he is living in denial too.
Rajiv Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 Don't blame the public, they are led to believe it
ravishingravi Posted September 6, 2011 Author Posted September 6, 2011 who cares what pakistanis think!! why are we so obsessed with pakistan?? there are so many people in the western world who have doubts over 9/11 and believes that it was an inside job. Who cares what Modi thinks or does ? Why are we so obsessed with Modi or "hindutva" terror ? there are many people in India and elsewehere who think "hindutva" terror is a bogie man created to appease the minority voter and Modi was innocent in Gujarat riots and is targetted by the Congress Govt. Bujhaya bachhe
1983-2011 Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 Who cares what Modi thinks or does ? I am gujarati myself? Why are we so obsessed with Modi or "hindutva" terror ? because he is the CM of gujarat where i am from! 2002 communal riots happened during his time! fake encounters, there are some allegations that he was directly involved in haren pandya's murder. malegaon blast??? there are many people in India and elsewehere who think "hindutva" terror is a bogie man created to appease the minority voter and Modi was innocent in Gujarat riots and is targetted by the Congress Govt. the truth is coming out, modi is slowly slowly getting exposed!! Bujhaya bachhe
seedhi Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 who cares what pakistanis think!!We have to, just like a good law enforcer has to anticipate the actions of a pathological serial killer. why are we so obsessed with pakistan??err.. pakistan has killed around 100,000 of our citizens in the last 25 years through terrorist activities. there are so many people in the western world who have doubts over 9/11 and believes that it was an inside job.So? Doesnt make it legitimate. There are loonies here in India as well that believe RSS did 26/11, but that doesnt mean that pakistan can go scot free.
seedhi Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 who cares what pakistanis think!! why are we so obsessed with pakistan?? there are so many people in the western world who have doubts over 9/11 and believes that it was an inside job.By the way, why do you care if someone posts an article on the denial and delusion prevalent in pakistan. Why pick up cudgels on behalf of that terrorist nation?
yoda Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 By the way, why do you care if someone posts an article on the denial and delusion prevalent in pakistan. Why pick up cudgels on behalf of that terrorist nation? Well when you have things common between yourself and another country, you tend to defend them. :winky:
ravishingravi Posted September 7, 2011 Author Posted September 7, 2011 1983-2011 Talk about missing the freaking point.
Clarke Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 What timing Ravi, defence day it is .. [ame= September 1965 Historical adress by Ayub Khan to Pakistani Nation [Pakistan Zindabad] - YouTube[/ame]
ravishingravi Posted September 7, 2011 Author Posted September 7, 2011 ^Yes. I think someone should start a new thread on the 1965 war and our loss :winky:
1983-2011 Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 Well when you have things common between yourself and another country' date=' you tend to defend them. :winky:[/quote'] please enlighten me??
ganeshran Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 Some Pakistanis still believe they won the 1999 war :hahaha:
someone Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 Some Pakistanis still believe they won the 1999 war :hahaha: actually, most pakistanis think that, they won all 3 wars after India attacked them first...
CSK Fan Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 Who cares what Modi thinks or does ? Why are we so obsessed with Modi or "hindutva" terror ? there are many people in India and elsewehere who think "hindutva" terror is a bogie man created to appease the minority voter and Modi was innocent in Gujarat riots and is targetted by the Congress Govt. Bujhaya bachhe If Modi is so innocent why has he suspened two of the top cops who gave evidence agaisnt him? How can there be any evidence against Modi when the whole state machinery is being used for a cover-up and even top police men are being punished just for speaking to the enquiry comittee? Bogie man indeed
ravishingravi Posted September 8, 2011 Author Posted September 8, 2011 If Modi is so innocent why has he suspened two of the top cops who gave evidence agaisnt him? How can there be any evidence against Modi when the whole state machinery is being used for a cover-up and even top police men are being punished just for speaking to the enquiry comittee? Bogie man indeed Yaar just to give the context, I m not defending Modi here. I was merely responding to the concerned poster who was saying why we post threads on Pakistan . He usually posts anti- Modi and RSS posts, so I was merely highlighting that having a contrarian opinion or indifference does not give anyone right to object anyone from raising it. If he is guilty, he should be nailed, goes without saying.
seedhi Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 If Modi is so innocent why has he suspened two of the top cops who gave evidence agaisnt him? How can there be any evidence against Modi when the whole state machinery is being used for a cover-up and even top police men are being punished just for speaking to the enquiry comittee? Bogie man indeedThis was not the point. If people are concerned about Modi (against whom there is not even an FIR) and can start threads about him, then people are also legitimately concerned about the terrorist state of pakistan which has caused immeasurable damage to India. Therefore, the first reply on this thread is uncalled for.
Texy Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 Most pakistanis also believe Shahid afridi is the sexiest man alive and whenever he visits phoren land....gori chicks fall head over heels over him....
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