Where do your loyalties lie, NRIs?

[maniac]

I think being Indian is more of an identitiy than a nationality. UK,Canada and US are multi-cultural socities. People here maintain their own cuisine,language,culture,religion and festivals despite being nationals.This is the sole foundation of these socities. Sports here is more of a culture than a symbol of nationalism hence,it is not a big deal, India despite being a unique multi-cultural society as well sports is more of a symbol of nationalsim that brings different cultures together. Just like being Mexican in the U.S.I have seen Mexicans carrying Mexican flags on their cars and wearing Soccer jerseys during the Soccer WC despite U.S being a participant too.. There was never an issue when the above mentioned happened here because 1.No one cares about Soccer here and 2)Soccer is more like a culture for mexicans and they have the right to celebrate it just like Indians with cricket

[f.b.m]

Watch the first two minutes of this and adapt it to supporting sports teams: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsPDT5qHtZ4]Doug Stanhope on nationalism - YouTube[/ame]

[BERGKAMP]

I do sense more and more animosity these days from RI's towards NRI's when it comes to supporting India in cricket. It is like they are almost offended by it which I don't understand.

[Lurker]

Wont trade my Indian passport for anything. End of story.

[Jersey #10]

Adopted country! Sorry but it's true for my case. That doesn't mean I don't love India.

[EnterTheVoid]

Allegiance is split 55/45 towards adopted country.

[nikred]

Allegiance is split 55/45 towards adopted country.

Is that Israel? :P

[Lord]

Allegiance is split 55/45 towards adopted country.

why is India in ur username then:P

[Vijay.Sharma]

why is India in ur username then:P

To emphasize the 5% extra to India in the 55-45 divide? Edit - read it wrong...actually Sree has a 45-55 divide for India and 55-45 for Aus from his statement.

[Vijay.Sharma]

I do sense more and more animosity these days from RI's towards NRI's when it comes to supporting India in cricket. It is like they are almost offended by it which I don't understand.

Maybe it has more to do with their general behavior rather than the sport allegiance itself? It's no secret that NRIs would come across very arrogantly earlier like as if they had achieved something by going abroad. But most of that fell flat on it's face when they were reminded that it was their parents who achieved and not them. And as has been evident, in my generation at least, the NRI kids who came to India for their education turned out to be failures compared to the home grown fellas. Maybe in another decade's time the then new generation of NRIs would grow up with values that they are hardly any greater than the mainland Indians just coz they went abroad. I just hope it dunn over-compensate and they start feeling like discarded fellows from the mainland.

[nballa]

well US and A of course.

[Lurker]

Maybe in another decade's time the then new generation of NRIs would grow up with values that they are hardly any greater than the mainland Indians just coz they went abroad. I just hope it dunn over-compensate and they start feeling like discarded fellows from the mainland.

Not gonna happen. Prepare yourself for the worst. This is how the story has unfolded in the past 10-15 years. Person A comes from India on deputation, person A (and his wife) gets pregnant within the couple of years. They have a child who is now a proud American. The parent, and child, go back to India where they are raised by using the good old Indian culture (read looked after by grand parents, educated in cheaper and better schools compared to America) and the next time the parents are coming over for another gig they are seen proudly discussing with their colleagues, "As much problem as it was for me to get the H1, with my sunny boy no such issue, he is an American you know". This is a different set of people obviously than the folks who have exchanged their passport for United States, but increasingly a large number of "Indian" kids are being born in US and will grow up with American passports. I wonder if any other country, any country at all, has been going through such a development ever? xx

[Vijay.Sharma]

Not gonna happen. Prepare yourself for the worst. This is how the story has unfolded in the past 10-15 years. Person A comes from India on deputation, person A (and his wife) gets pregnant within the couple of years. They have a child who is now a proud American. The parent, and child, go back to India where they are raised by using the good old Indian culture (read looked after by grand parents, educated in cheaper and better schools compared to America) and the next time the parents are coming over for another gig they are seen proudly discussing with their colleagues, "As much problem as it was for me to get the H1, with my sunny boy no such issue, he is an American you know".

This is exactly what happened in the 1990's - the kids from UK, USA, Gulf, etc who came here for studies had their confidence shattered when the Indian economy opened and jobs were aplenty. They realized they were just no good to compete with the local fellas. Neither did they get jobs here nor did they find decent jobs back "home" coz back "home" a new generation of even more highly qualified Indians were migrating. Of course exceptions exist to every rule and there are some NRI kids who have done good...but the ones who have done good have more or less competed with the maniland Indians and succeeded in India.

This is a different set of people obviously than the folks who have exchanged their passport for United States, but increasingly a large number of "Indian" kids are being born in US and will grow up with American passports. I wonder if any other country, any country at all, has been going through such a development ever? xx

This is the story of human civilization for tens of milleniums. In world history there have been two major such mass migrations from all corners of the world to one land discovered so far. One of them has been going on for the last 200-300 years in the USA. USA is built by migrations. USA is a super power simply because it has attracted the diversity of human population not because it as an erstwhile brit colony (coz if that were the case then Aus, NZ, Saffers, and Canada also should've been equally super strong...they are not!). USA's first migration came from the western Europeans nations. Then a. mid - late 1700s - mass migration of espanola and hispanics from south of the border to boost USA's manpower b. mid 1800s - heavy migration of Chinese that were chiefly responsible for building the US railways c. late 1800s - heavy migration of the Irish that was primarily responsible for the shipping economy d. early 1900s - heavy migration of mafioso that built their own industry and kept the society running...lol e. 1950s-1980s - Latin American migration into the USA to boost up the manufacturing economy (and of course the drug trade) f. 1970s-1990s - knowledge workers from India, Philippines, Far East to boost up the knowledge economy g. Since 1990s - big time migration of erstwhile soviet nations that keeps the porn industry booming Of course the above dunn mean individuals from India didn't migrate before 1970 or Italians didn't migrate before 1920s or after 1940s. It just is a flock migratory thingy.

[Lurker]

This is the story of human civilization for tens of milleniums. In world history there have been two major such mass migrations from all corners of the world to one land discovered so far. One of them has been going on for the last 200-300 years in the USA. USA is built by migrations. USA is a super power simply because it has attracted the diversity of human population not because it as an erstwhile brit colony (coz if that were the case then Aus, NZ, Saffers, and Canada also should've been equally super strong...they are not!). USA's first migration came from the western Europeans nations.

Comparisons with US is flawed I think. US migrations, specially in initial years, was done more because of persecution of people in their native land, Irish for example. Nobody persecuted a Telugu person to do in modern India. It was a case of choice and not force. And why only US? Look around the Western world, from Canada to Australia. Its not that these countries were built on migration, although they did benefit from it. But do you seriously think many Indians have not migrated to these countries simply because its ease of life. Look, I am all for people deciding whats best for them. So lets make it crystal. Bulk of migrations from India has happened out of free will. And in many cases it has started to create problems of its own already. xxx

[EnterTheVoid]

How can you live in a foreign country and not have some sort of attachment to that place? If you say NO, you are either a liar or just talking out of your ****.

[coffee_rules]

Not gonna happen. Prepare yourself for the worst. This is how the story has unfolded in the past 10-15 years. Person A comes from India on deputation, person A (and his wife) gets pregnant within the couple of years. They have a child who is now a proud American. The parent, and child, go back to India where they are raised by using the good old Indian culture (read looked after by grand parents, educated in cheaper and better schools compared to America) and the next time the parents are coming over for another gig they are seen proudly discussing with their colleagues, "As much problem as it was for me to get the H1, with my sunny boy no such issue, he is an American you know". This is a different set of people obviously than the folks who have exchanged their passport for United States, but increasingly a large number of "Indian" kids are being born in US and will grow up with American passports. I wonder if any other country, any country at all, has been going through such a development ever? xx

I think such kids are very small in number compared to the populace coming over and settling here. H1s usually opt for GCs and then for citizenships. Not many have gone back with US citizen kids compared to those who chose to become US citizens themselves. Aren't you one of those who came to US on free-will? Why this cynicism then?

[Late Cut]

I consider myself American,of indian origin- I am proud of my indian heritage, and my american identity. I don't see the two as being opposed. More importantly, my alligiance is with what i consider to be right and just than any other consideration. It's something I have thought a lot about in raising my son. Oh but Brazilian above all else...where is Giselle?:icflove: To the question: would root for the American team over the Indian, however I find joy in good play more than anything else.

[Vijay.Sharma]

Comparisons with US is flawed I think. US migrations, specially in initial years, was done more because of persecution of people in their native land, Irish for example. Nobody persecuted a Telugu person to do in modern India. It was a case of choice and not force.

It is not at all flawed simply because I never argued about the reasons for migration. My argument is simply this - A land that becomes a cauldron of human civilization i.e. many cultures pouring in and shaping that land's ethos, becomes a super strong economic, military, and technological land.

And why only US? Look around the Western world' date=' from Canada to Australia. Its not that these countries were built on migration, although they did benefit from it. But do you seriously think many Indians have not migrated to these countries simply because its ease of life.[/quote']The evidence is very clear - none of those countries stand anywhere close to the US in terms of economic, military, and technological strength. Australia and Canada never had the kind of migrations that the USA had that is why they are nowhere near the USA when it comes to economy, military, and tech. They have actually gained because of the USA and the underlying Anglo connection. A legitimate argument can be made then that, how come so many of the commonwealth nations don't gain coz even they have Anglo connections? The answer is quite simple - Only those countries where the population of Anglo and/or whites is more have gotten the "favorite child" treatment from the Brits and USA. Maybe SA is the only exception to the rule.

[Vijay.Sharma]

I consider myself American' date='of indian origin- I am proud of my indian heritage, and my american identity. I don't see the two as being opposed. More importantly, my alligiance is with what i consider to be right and just than any other consideration. It's something I have thought a lot about in raising my son.[/quote']OK, let's move this discussion to a new level - what happens if there was a war between USA and India (even though it is unlikely but who knows all it takes is for one idiotic American prez and an egotistical Indian PM). Where would your allegiance lie in such a case? Aww come on mate, why not u just marry Gisele and get her to become Indian citizen? :winky:

[bulbul]

Vijay, I dont unedrstand why you want People born up in another country to show alligiance to India...their parents showing allegiance to India fine,but we dont need to expect same from next generations... even in case of People who went from here to abroad and settled there change alligiance also we cant do anything..thats just individual preference or else they should have stayed here only