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US: Pakistani ISI sponsoring Haqqani attacks... Pakistan rejects U.S. allegations of aiding in attacks... ... PAK-US Deadlock over Haqqani Network Where it is heading towards & how its going to end-up?

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US: Pakistani ISI sponsoring Haqqani attacks... Pakistan rejects U.S. allegations of aiding in attacks... ... PAK-US Deadlock over Haqqani Network Where it is heading towards & how its going to end-up?
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ravishingravi Grand Master

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Sadly asim, the problem to my understading is that there is no institution left in Pakistan that isn't radicalized, that doesn't have rogue elements including ISI and military courtesy Zia Haq. In fact, now the Pakistani historians have more or less accepted that the mujaheedins were an ISI brainchild. So, whether the orders come from the top or not is the question. Either ways. Pakistan is neck deep in this mess and messing US is not an option. Believe you me, if US wants to disarm Pak. right now, it can do it. Pak. is merely posturing for its people. To quote Paracha "'US to lose Pak as ally if accusations continue, says Hina Khar.' Yes, and subsequently Hina to lose her Birkin bags too."

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Ravi chose to diplomatically tell you the same thing I'm about to tell you in 2 sentences- "Your country is turning to an eternal garbage for the world with 2 wars being fought in it, while your people continue to fancy about having good relations with India and others, with your administration doing all in its power to blow up some place in our country and kill our people. You've clearly picked the wrong target in America". This country took Iraq to ask, Afghanistan to the cleaners and god only knows how many country's have been cleansed by America. As an Indian, I hope the next is yours, for it is the only way out. Coz afterall, pak_ad_wsj_us.jpg

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+1 forget about US losing an ally .Pak needs to take care about themselves . They should be concerned about what will happen to them ,if they brake up ties with US . ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Reuters) - Pakistan's powerful army chief General Ashfaq Kayani on Sunday called a "special" meeting of his top commanders to discuss the security situation, the military said, as the war of words with the United States escalated. The extraordinary meeting of the corps commanders came against the backdrop of sharp U.S. allegations that Pakistan army's powerful spy agency supported the Haqqani militant group Washington blames for the recent attack on its embassy and other targets in Kabul. In a terse two-line statement, the military said the commanders would "review (the) prevailing security situation." Kayani, who is departing for London later tonight to address the International Institute for Strategic Studies and the Royal College of Defense Studies, is chairing the meeting. "The meeting reflects the gravity of crisis," retired general, turned security analyst, Talat Masood said. "They will issue a statement to express solidarity (within the military) and to show that they all are on one page." The corps commanders meeting comes a day after Kayani met with U.S. CENTCOM commander General James N. Mattis in Pakistan, but military spokesman Major-General Athar Abbas said the two meetings were "unrelated." CONTACTS WITH HAQQANIS In an interview with CNN, Abbas acknowledged that army's Directorate of Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) maintained contacts with the Haqqani network, but said that didn't mean it supported it. "Any intelligence agency would like to maintain contact with whatever opposition group, whatever terrorist organization ... for some positive outcome," he told CNN in a telephone interview. However, he said there was a huge difference between maintaining those contacts to facilitate peace and supporting it against an ally. In the most blunt remarks by a U.S. official since Pakistan joined the U.S.-led war on militancy in 2001, the outgoing chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, Admiral Mike Mullen, on Thursday testified before the U.S. Senate that the Haqqani militant network is a "veritable arm" of the ISI. He also for the first time held Islamabad responsible for the Kabul attack, saying Pakistan provided support for that assault. The Haqqani network is the most violent and effective faction among Taliban militants in Afghanistan. On Saturday night, Pakistani Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani rejected U.S. allegations as a sign of American "confusion and policy disarray." "We strongly reject assertions of complicity with the Haqqanis or of proxy war," Gilani said, breaking off from a speech to aid agencies and foreign diplomats on the country's flood disaster. Although Pakistan officially abandoned support for the Taliban after the September 11 attacks on the United States in 2001 and allied itself with Washington's "war on terror," analysts say elements of the ISI refused to make the doctrinal shift. Gilani's Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar told Washington on Friday that it risked losing an ally if it kept accusing Islamabad of playing a double game in the war against militancy, and escalating a crisis in ties triggered by U.S. forces' killing of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in Pakistan in an unannounced raid in May. Security analyst Masood said the sharpened rhetoric between Pakistan and the United States could lead to a "collision." One of the options for Pakistan, he said, could be to put pressure on Haqqani fighters to leave Pakistan to avert a confrontation. "I think both Pakistan and the United States will step back to avoid making things worse." (Additional reporting and Editing by Chris Allbritton and Ed Lane)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/25/us-pakistan-usa-army-idUSTRE78O0PG20110925
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First- Who is Haqqani? We don't know Haqqani? There are no Haqqani's in Pakistan. Then- How can you accuse us? What proof do you have? Followed by- Accusations will harm relationship. Concluded by -

In an interview with CNN, Abbas acknowledged that army's Directorate of Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) maintained contacts with the Haqqani network, but said that didn't mean it supported it. "Any intelligence agency would like to maintain contact with whatever opposition group, whatever terrorist organization ... for some positive outcome," he told CNN in a telephone interview.
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^Denial Asim. Denial. There is much deep rooted problem within. It is always convenient to blame a third party for all the mess. Pakistan needs to sort itself out starting with the very core idea of Pakistan. But who will do it ? The corrupt leaders or Jamaat Islami or right wing conspiracy driven media. I don't know how a nation will have any self pride or self esteem if it cannot enter in a relationship with another nation on equal terms. Pak. for some strange reason are taking comfort in the shadow of China when they really can't do anything or have any vote against the will of China. Is that also a blessing in disguise ? Country will need to introspect. Tough times.

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^^ Go on..
Blessing in disguise...
Yeah i get that's what you meant, but what's the reasoning behind the opinion ? I'm sure you disapprove of America's influence in your nation's matters internal or external, but are you suggesting that your leadership will not submit to any further concessions, or is it something else ?
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Anything is possible out of 10s of possibilities but hardly any of them is worse than the situation we already have since last so many years...

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