Umesh yadav-pretty impressive.

[Lord]

The guys worth spending time right now are Ishant' date=' Yadav, Aaron, Shami, Suyal, Anwar, VPS, Kulkarni, Chahar, Ravikant, and Sandeep. They need to be in that fast bowlers pool and groomed.[/quote'] u dont rate Passi?

[Old guy]

u dont rate Passi?

even i dont :P but i think guy can develop ..these 3 guys sandeep,ravikant and passi are all 19 other then sandeep who has played 2 world cups and is very experienced for age other 2 have long way to go and improve also sandeep sharma is much better then vinay kumar imho but fully fit in form parveen is tried and tested will pick him ahead of sandeep guy :P

[MCcricket]

The guys worth spending time right now are Ishant' date=' Yadav, Aaron, Shami, Suyal, Anwar, VPS, Kulkarni, Chahar, Ravikant, and Sandeep. They need to be in that fast bowlers pool and groomed.[/quote'] RKT I don't rate Dhawal, Chahar and more I see them the more I feel they are average,everyone else I agree and would want to add Tyagi, VRV,Pankaj Singh to that list all are battling with form but if looked after can be good backup for India, as they have experience and when fit and in rhythm can be handful.

[rkt.india]

u dont rate Passi?

Not much. I would take Akash Chopras words on Brainder Sran from Punjab who started decently last season, he is 19 too and left armer.

[rkt.india]

RKT I don't rate Dhawal' date=' Chahar and more I see them the more I feel they are average,everyone else I agree and would want to add Tyagi, VRV,Pankaj Singh to that list all are battling with form but if looked after can be good backup for India, as they have experience and when fit and in rhythm can be handful.[/quote'] VRV will find it tough to make even Punjab ranji side. Tyagi too is struggling since his shoulder reconstruction. Pankaj is unimpressive to. Dhawal is one who can move the ball both ways and has control at decent pace. Chahar is young and is gaining pace every passing season as he is specifically working on that aspect.

[Old guy]

VRV will find it tough to make even Punjab ranji side. Tyagi too is struggling since his shoulder reconstruction. Pankaj is unimpressive to. Dhawal is one who can move the ball both ways and has control at decent pace. Chahar is young and is gaining pace every passing season as he is specifically working on that aspect.

yes dhawal kulkarni impressed me too but again what after swing goes? is he any good at death ? what about reverse swing ? :dontknow:

[rkt.india]

yes dhawal kulkarni impressed me too but again what after swing goes? is he any good at death ? what about reverse swing ? :dontknow:

[MCcricket]

Chahar is smaller then Agarkar, bowls regularly at 125 k, Dhawal also is a on the smaller side and bowls at 125 to 133 in domestic games, that makes Dinda look like Marshall, tell me how they can survive and thrive without having pace, also when at their size they have to be extra ordinary to make a mark, Marshall was 5 10 1/2",and was express, could move ball both ways, in air and of the wicket, very very strong, these guys are his opposite in ever count, the reason I mentioned VRV, Tyagi, Pankaj was because even at 80 % they are better then these two.

[rkt.india]

Chahar is smaller then Agarkar' date=' bowls regularly at 125 k, Dhawal also is a on the smaller side and bowls at 125 to 133 in domestic games, that makes Dinda look like Marshall, tell me how they can survive and thrive without having pace, also when at their size they have to be extra ordinary to make a mark, Marshall was 5 10 1/2",and was express, could move ball both ways, in air and of the wicket, very very strong, these guys are his opposite in ever count, the reason I mentioned VRV, Tyagi, Pankaj was because even at 80 % they are better then these two.[/quote'] Dinda too does not bowl faster than 135 in domestic games. Chahar is still only 20 and is gaining pace every year, same with Dhawal. Chahar has gained 5-10 K of pace already in last 2 years as is Dhawal. We need bowlers who can move the ball too as well as have decent pace and these two can the ones I am looking for. They are still very young and need to be groomed. Movement is the more difficult thing to negotiate for a batsman than just sheer pace. And I tell you Marshall was not express. He was at best fast medium. He was pretty much like Steyn, mainly between 135-145 in tests with swing and seam. Marshall's main strength was seaming the ball both ways at decent pace, not express. Likes of Holding and Bishop can be termed express.

[MCcricket]

Dinda too does not bowl faster than 135 in domestic games. Chahar is still only 20 and is gaining pace every year, same with Dhawal. Chahar has gained 5-10 K of pace already in last 2 years as is Dhawal. We need bowlers who can move the ball too as well as have decent pace and these two can the ones I am looking for. They are still very young and need to be groomed. Movement is the more difficult thing to negotiate for a batsman than just sheer pace. And I tell you Marshall was not express. He was at best fast medium. He was pretty much like Steyn, mainly between 135-145 in tests with swing and seam. Marshall's main strength was seaming the ball both ways at decent pace, not express. Likes of Holding and Bishop can be termed express.

Sandeep Sharma is one guy I am impressed with touches 135 k, moves the ball in the air and of the turf any day, intelligent use of the crease and bowls with a plan and can implement it, one more year , he could be looked at.

[rkt.india]

^^ bhai look at chahar's avg over last 2 seasons ' date='its increasing all the time, he hardly takes any wickets ,dinda on the other hand has taken wickets .[/quote'] Chahar is only 2 seasons old. This will be his 3rd season. He did not play much last season due to injury, also suffered due poor form and had great first season. Chahar is not yet ready because he is undergoing some refining process, trying to gain pace, and in that process, he is compromising on his strength which was swing in an attempt to bowl quick. This is a hard process and he will have such time because if he bowls the way he bowled in his first season just concentrating on swing he will again start taking wickets but that won't make him a better bowler in all conditions. If he continues to work hard the way he is doing, he will become what he wants to be in the next 2 years. His aim is to bowl 135-140 and still swing the ball, which he is working on rather than swing at 120-25K which he can do any day. He has time in his hand as he is only 20. WRT, Dinda, he is an experienced FC bowler now and is at a saturation point in terms of development. You cannot expect him to improve more than what he is now. These are his peak days. While Chahar is still in his infancy as a fast bowler.

[ShebbySB]

The guys worth spending time right now are Ishant' date=' Yadav, Aaron, Shami, Suyal, Anwar, VPS, Kulkarni, Chahar, Ravikant, and Sandeep. They need to be in that fast bowlers pool and groomed.[/quote'] U missed Awana.

[ShebbySB]

The guys worth spending time right now are Ishant' date=' Yadav, Aaron, Shami, Suyal, Anwar, VPS, Kulkarni, Chahar, Ravikant, and Sandeep. They need to be in that fast bowlers pool and groomed.[/quote'] Umesh,Ishant,Aaron,Shami & Awana will be the pick of the pool of fast bowlers. I would love to see Anwar & Suyal as left arm fast-med bowlers.Ravikant,Sandeep, Veer,Chahar & Mohsin Sayyed are the next crop of talented bowlers in the 18-20 years age group.I've lost faith on Tyagi(who I thought was the most talented bowler with nippy pace),VRV & Gony.Abu Nechim has got pace & swing but needs to be more consistent.I personally don't rate Kulkarni & Chahar at all.Both can bat a bit & swings the ball both ways.Then Bhubaneswar is a better option who swings the ball both ways around 130-135ks & can be groomed into a genuine all-rounder.

[vayuu1]

Dinda too does not bowl faster than 135 in domestic games. Chahar is still only 20 and is gaining pace every year, same with Dhawal. Chahar has gained 5-10 K of pace already in last 2 years as is Dhawal. We need bowlers who can move the ball too as well as have decent pace and these two can the ones I am looking for. They are still very young and need to be groomed. Movement is the more difficult thing to negotiate for a batsman than just sheer pace. And I tell you Marshall was not express. He was at best fast medium. He was pretty much like Steyn, mainly between 135-145 in tests with swing and seam. Marshall's main strength was seaming the ball both ways at decent pace, not express. Likes of Holding and Bishop can be termed express.

This statement deserve a:facepalm: to say Marshall was not fast is like saying tendulkar is just another batsman of galli mohalla.

[rkt.india]

This statement deserve a:facepalm: to say Marshall was not fast is like saying tendulkar is just another batsman of galli mohalla.

Where did I say Marshall was not fast. I said he was not express. There is a difference between being fast and express. Express were guys like Thomson, Lee, Akhtar, Holding, Bishop, Lillie in his early years.

[Old guy]

This statement deserve a:facepalm: to say Marshall was not fast is like saying tendulkar is just another batsman of galli mohalla.

bad analogy can u call tendulkar the most explosive batsman ? no but he is gr8 batsman in same way u cant call marshall express bowler it takes no credit away from him he is still atg:--D

[King Tendulkar]

Where did I say Marshall was not fast. I said he was not express. There is a difference between being fast and express. Express were guys like Thomson' date=' Lee, Akhtar, Holding, Bishop, Lillie in his early years.[/quote'] WTF are you on about. In his pomp he was as quick as the world has seen. Just had a brain and when conditions were more for swing and seam he would then focus on hitting good areas and getting movement, instead of running in as hard as he could for pace which was not important in certain conditions. As intelligent a bowler as there was. But when needed wheels he was express as they come.

[rkt.india]

WTF are you on about. In his pomp he was as quick as the world has seen. Just had a brain and when conditions were more for swing and seam he would then focus on hitting good areas and getting movement, instead of running in as hard as he could for pace which was not important in certain conditions. As intelligent a bowler as there was. But when needed wheels he was express as they come.

Exaggeration. Videos are available of him of his pomp and they do not suggest he was as quick as Lillie, Thomson, Lee, Akhtar at their pomp. He is one of the greatest bowler world has seen no doubt. Marshall was more like what Steyn is now. Marshall did not even have the bowling action to be an express bowler.

[King Tendulkar]

Exaggeration. Videos are available of him of his pomp and they do not suggest he was as quick as Lillie' date=' Thomson, Lee, Akhtar at their pomp. He is one of the greatest bowler world has seen no doubt.[/quote'] I used to wtch him live in tv. Dont need videos, rely on what I saw. Rapid

[rkt.india]

I used to wtch him live in tv. Dont need videos, rely on what I saw. Rapid

Rapid, yes, but not express. Marshall was more like what Steyn is now. Marshall did not even have the bowling action to be an express bowler.