King Tendulkar Posted October 28, 2011 Posted October 28, 2011 I am glad actually now that Fletcher is coach as he will demand pace bowlers and is obbsessed by them. And thats eactly what we need to get out of the horrid indian mindset of liking Vinay Kumar types. He will demand and explain importance of pace. And finally people like dhoni might see and understand its importance now. Aaron and Yadav both being in squad smacks 100% of Fletcher and thank god for that. He is the one who got in Harmmmison and Jones in from no where despite them having no FC track record and just being pacey, we saw the fruits they reaped from this. Already you can hear in interviews aaron and yadav talikng about always bowling fast and being TOLD to bowl fast by indian camp. Again all smacks of Fletchers influence. Fletcher gives no interviews and will not try and hog limelight which is exactly what indian team needs. He is the right coach at the right time for us, as with speedsters coming through he will get them in and get them firing. p.s as long as he doed not get our batters doing his forward press obbsession to spin then everything will be fine:--D
gakgupta Posted October 28, 2011 Posted October 28, 2011 I am glad actually now that Fletcher is coach as he will demand pace bowlers and is obbsessed by them. And thats eactly what we need to get out of the horrid indian mindset of liking Vinay Kumar types. He will demand and explain importance of pace. And finally people like dhoni might see and understand its importance now. Aaron and Yadav both being in squad smacks 100% of Fletcher and thank god for that. He is the one who got in Harmmmison and Jones in from no where despite them having no FC track record and just being pacey, we saw the fruits they reaped from this. Already you can hear in interviews aaron and yadav talikng about always bowling fast and being TOLD to bowl fast by indian camp. Again all smacks of Fletchers influence. Fletcher gives no interviews and will not try and hog limelight which is exactly what indian team needs. He is the right coach at the right time for us, as with speedsters coming through he will get them in and get them firing. p.s as long as he doed not get our batters doing his forward press obbsession to spin then everything will be fine:--D i hope that difference in opinion between dhoni and fletcher regarding fast bowling wouldn't bring in a rift and repeat ganguly and chappeal chapter
King Tendulkar Posted October 28, 2011 Author Posted October 28, 2011 I think Fletcher is a lot smarter then Chappell in all aspects. Incuding man mangt with his players and particularly captain
rkt.india Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 In Fletcher-era, life starts at 85mph India coach Duncan FletcherÃÔ plan to help India regain the No.1 ranking has a vision of a bunch of fast bowlers clocking upwards of 85 miles per hour (136kmph) consistently and bowling India to wins on seamer-friendly wickets abroad. The current India Test squad to play against the West Indies in Kolkata from Monday has three such bowlers Ishant Sharma, Umesh Yadav and Varun Aaron who can bowl at a fair speed. What has prompted the selectors to pick the two rookie fast bowlers for the Test squad, one who made his debut in Delhi last week (Yadav) and other yet to play Tests (Aaron) is FletcherÃÔ mantra õest cricket starts at 85mph. After the 0-4 thrashing India received in England, the selectors are convinced about the need to groom a pool of fast bowlers, who can spit fire when the team tours Australia later this year. The selectors are planning for the future and are on the same page as Fletcher. With the golden generation of IndiaÃÔ batsmen in their twilight years, there is a belief that the team will have to bank heavily on the fast bowlers in the future. Å¢ golden generation of batsmen will retire sooner rather than later. These are the players who have helped us tide over crises over the past 10-15 years. But we have to think about the future. If we want to regain our No.1 spot, we have to win abroad and for that pace bowling is the key, said a national selector. According to the selector, coach Fletcher insisted on including a couple of young fast bowlers in the team after the England debacle. As England coach, Fletcher never considered Ryan SidebottomÃÔ medium pace as a match-winning option. Sidebottom made his England debut only after FletcherÃÔ term. Sharma, the most experienced fast bowler in the current squad said that it was heartening to see young fast bowlers starting to make an impact. Ishant confident ŪtÃÔ a great thing. Everyone used to say earlier that India canÃÕ produce fast bowlers. In Indian conditions which encourage reverse swing if you can bowl fast it can be a handful, Sharma said on the eve of the second Test. However, the selectors and Fletcher will want to see the fast bowlers make an impact in Australia. Ÿe will play two practice matches. So getting used to the conditions in Australia wonÃÕ be an issue, Ishant said. ItÃÔ not the first time that an Indian team has focussed on trying to get a good set of fast bowlers for Test cricket. After the whitewash in Australia in 1999-2000, the team management, led by Sourav Ganguly, had nurtured young, talented bowlers like Zaheer Khan and Ashish Nehra. Javagal Srinath, the senior bowler in the side, played the role of a mentor. During Greg ChappellÃÔ era the focus shifted on moulding medium-pacers into ÃÃine-and-length bowlers perhaps keeping in mind that the Australian coachÃÔ main assignment winning the 2007 World Cup. Skipper Mahendra Singh Dhoni believes that these young pacers have a bright future. ŪtÃÔ good to have bowlers who can consistently bowl at 135 kmph. These guys are going through a learning curve and will mature with experience, Dhoni said after the Delhi Test. http://www.indianexpress.com/news/In-Fletcher-era--life-starts-at-85mph/875283/
achilles Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 I hope the phaaaast Irfan Pathan and his fraaands Vinay Kumar and "spin bowler" Munaf Patel don't get their sports management companies involved
rkt.india Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 I hope the phaaaast Irfan Pathan and his fraaands Vinay Kumar and "spin bowler" Munaf Patel don't get their sports management companies involved :two_thumbs_up:
achilles Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 :two_thumbs_up: Jokes apart mate, it is a serious threat. Do you remember the India Today/Outlook lead story a few years back about how influential players use their Sport Management companies to dictate selections and coerce selectors into picking them? I don't think Vinay has done anything spectacular to get into the Indian colours. He's being lobbied for and I think this is dangerous territory that Indian cricket is entering. It is good that Fletcher has his plans and is being able to "execute it" to a certain extent. However, it is beyond all realm of imagination as to how Vinay played every ODI in England, when Mr. Aaron was warming the benches and Duncan's motto is - "Life starts at 85mph".
jairamesh Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 What's more worrying is that beyond Ishant, Aaron, and Yadav, there is no one else in terms of good pace and proven quality I thought Mithun might be a prospect, but it was embarrassing watching him bowl at 120-130kph in West Indies. After these three, I still see Sreesanth as the best hope, someone needs to get this nutter to focus. Sreesanth has experience (esp playing abroad) and bowled match winning spells. Everybody else is just potential, all based on pure speculation. With the amount of cricket India play and WILL play, the selectors need a bunch 10 quicks to pick from who can bowl 145plus at an average of under 35.
Late Cut Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 Jokes apart mate, it is a serious threat. Do you remember the India Today/Outlook lead story a few years back about how influential players use their Sport Management companies to dictate selections and coerce selectors into picking them? I don't think Vinay has done anything spectacular to get into the Indian colours. He's being lobbied for and I think this is dangerous territory that Indian cricket is entering. It is good that Fletcher has his plans and is being able to "execute it" to a certain extent. However, it is beyond all realm of imagination as to how Vinay played every ODI in England, when Mr. Aaron was warming the benches and Duncan's motto is - "Life starts at 85mph". I am sure the Sports Management Companies will also realize that a genuine Indian Quick is a much more marketable commodity. Someone like that will bring in $$$$$; look at the many threads on here even though there is yet to be a proven talent.
ganeshran Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 The kanspiracy theory specialists are out in full swing dreaming up evil bcci goons conspiring to deprive Indian cricket of phaasht bowlers. :wall:
saneindian Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 The fletcher mantra also saw Ashley Giles play for donkey years in the English team. How long before Ojha gets replaced by Jadeja in the test squad?
kabira Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 ^Ashley Giles had a role to make sure runs dried up one end and that will allow pacers to attack.
zen Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 If he can induce fast bowlers in the squad, make them look for wkts and get rid of "slow down to bowl line and length, bowl eco and wkts will fall", then he would have done his job in my book
Pagalpanti Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 I'd like to reserve my comments until Australia tour, it seems like everything is back on track but don't forget we're playing WI and narrowly escaped in 1st test.
Number Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 Hopefully it will end in between 97-100 and will have lots of wickets. :--D
Cricket Tragic Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 I'd like to reserve my comments until Australia tour' date=' it seems like everything is back on track but don't forget we're playing WI and narrowly escaped in 1st test.[/quote'] This.
Trichromatic Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 Hope PK isn't kept out even with good performances.
rkt.india Posted November 15, 2011 Posted November 15, 2011 What's more worrying is that beyond Ishant, Aaron, and Yadav, there is no one else in terms of good pace and proven quality I thought Mithun might be a prospect, but it was embarrassing watching him bowl at 120-130kph in West Indies. After these three, I still see Sreesanth as the best hope, someone needs to get this nutter to focus. Sreesanth has experience (esp playing abroad) and bowled match winning spells. Everybody else is just potential, all based on pure speculation. With the amount of cricket India play and WILL play, the selectors need a bunch 10 quicks to pick from who can bowl 145plus at an average of under 35. There are quite a few upcoming guys who can bowl 140k. Few names Abu Nechim, Rahul Shukla, Mohammad Shami, Faisal Dudhat, Parappa Mordi, etc.
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