Feed Posted November 10, 2011 Posted November 10, 2011 More... New Ranji points system under scanner Dwaipayan Datta, TNN Nov 7, 2011 CHENNAI: A new points system that is in place in the Ranji Trophy from this season was under scanner right after the first set of matches. It has been decided by the BCCI that if a match is delayed a number of times due to inclement weather and that at least 90 overs of play is not possible, both the teams will get two points each. On the other hand, if one innings of both the teams are not completed after four days of full play, none of the teams will get any points. And after the first round on Sunday, the biggest beneficiaries were Tamil Nadu and Baroda, who went home with two points each in a game where only 12 overs of play were possible. On the other hand, after a gruelling contest of four days between Saurashtra and Orissa at Cuttack, both teams went home without a point. Chasing Saurashtra's first-innings total of 545, Orissa were 494-7 when the match was called off. Thus, the efforts of the likes of Ravindra Jadeja, who scored a triple hundred in the game, went down the drain. "This is a meaningless rule," Saurashtra coach Debu Mitra fumed, when contacted by the TOI. "The boys gave their hearts out, and now they have nothing to show for it. I don't see any logic behind this rule," a cut-up Mitra said. Till last year, if one innings couldn't be finished, teams used to get one point each. "Orissa played negative cricket. A team that doesn't show the urge to force a result gets away with it...What's the point of such a rule?" he added. Tamil Nadu, one team that has suffered due to the earlier points system, had two seasons in the mid 2000s when they almost went into relegation because of rain-affected matches at home. WV Raman, who was in charge of Tamil Nadu during those years and is now the Bengal coach, feels that the new rule is not entirely without logic. "According to the earlier rule, good teams that could win five points from a game ended up with nothing due to rain," Raman said. But isn't it harsh on the teams that fight for 360 overs and still go home with zero points. Raman agreed. "Yes. But then, it's done so that the teams show a little more initiative," Raman said.
BeautifulGame Posted November 10, 2011 Posted November 10, 2011 Good rule IMO.Atleast now teams will not try to bat for nearly 3 days jsut to gain 1st innings lead
Trichromatic Posted November 10, 2011 Posted November 10, 2011 Ranji can never produce a match like this with current point system http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-domestic-2011/engine/current/match/526678.html Canterbury crumbled in their second innings for 61 at Rangiora, handing Otago a target of 182 which they chased down for the loss of four wickets. A result had looked improbable after only 52 overs were possible on the third day, with Otago extending their first innings from 122 for 2 to 293 for 5, riding on Michael Bracewell's 95 in reply to Canterbury's 420 for 9. Otago declared in the first over of the fourth day as soon as they reached 400 after which Neil Wagner proceeded to take 5 for 33 as Canterbury imploded. England fast bowler Steven Finn and New Zealand offspinner Nathan McCullum contributed with two wickets each. Shanan Stewart managed 29; the next-highest score for Canterbury was 6. Canterbury had been in control in the first innings as Rob Nicol's 107 and half-centuries from Stewart, Tom Latham and Andrew Ellis set up a big total. The collapse in the second innings pushed them out of the game though and McCullum ended on an unbeaten 64 with Otago bringing up an unlikely win.
ankeetsinha Posted November 10, 2011 Posted November 10, 2011 New Rule makes sense... If Saurashtra wanted to win they should have declared much earlier.. serves them right
Texan Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Flawed Ranji Point System The flawed Ranji Trophy point system seems to encourage teams to just go for first innings lead. In the recent match between Mumbai and Karnataka, instead of enforcing the follow-on on Mumbai, Karnataka chose to get batting practice to give their bowlers rest. There is very little emphasis on going for an outright win. If first innings lead gives a team 3 points, then an outright win should give 10 points so that teams can try to go for it. 6 points is not a good enough carrot. How about the following structure: Outright result: Winner - 10 points, Loser - 0 points Draw with both team's first innings completed: Team with lead - 2 points (1 bonus point available if team run-rate is more than 3.50) Team with deficit - 1 point Draw with both first innings not completed and NOT more than 60 overs lost to weather: Both teams - 0 points Draw with both first innings not completed and more than 60 overs lost to weather: Both teams - 1 point
Sachinism Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Yup the point system is rubbish, definitely needs a re-think
1983-2011 Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 10 points for a win 3 points for a first inning lead 2 points for a no result due to bad weather or a draw 0 points for a loss
sarcastic Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 The flawed Ranji Trophy point system seems to encourage teams to just go for first innings lead. In the recent match between Mumbai and Karnataka' date=' [b']instead of enforcing the follow-on on Mumbai, Karnataka chose to get batting practice to give their bowlers rest. There is very little emphasis on going for an outright win. If first innings lead gives a team 3 points, then an outright win should give 10 points so that teams can try to go for it. 6 points is not a good enough carrot. How about the following structure: Outright result: Winner - 10 points, Loser - 0 points Draw with both team's first innings completed: Team with lead - 2 points (1 bonus point available if team run-rate is more than 3.50) Team with deficit - 1 point Draw with both first innings not completed and NOT more than 60 overs lost to weather: Both teams - 0 points Draw with both first innings not completed and more than 60 overs lost to weather: Both teams - 1 point I see your point completely. But Karnataka did not have the option of enforcing follow-on as Mumbai has made more than 435 runs that are required to avoid follow-on.
Ultimate_Game Posted November 20, 2011 Posted November 20, 2011 They should have points for the no. of opponent's wkts taken. This would force teams to declare and actually try to bowl out their opponents even though the match is headed for a draw.
Texan Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 I see your point completely. But Karnataka did not have the option of enforcing follow-on as Mumbai has made more than 435 runs that are required to avoid follow-on. They did have the option. In a 4-day match, you only need a lead of 150 runs to enforce the follow-on. Their lead was 194 runs. 5-day matches require 200 runs.
sarcastic Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 They did have the option. In a 4-day match, you only need a lead of 150 runs to enforce the follow-on. Their lead was 194 runs. 5-day matches require 200 runs. Ok. I was not aware of the same. Tx for the info!!! :two_thumbs_up:
saneindian Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 They did have the option. In a 4-day match, you only need a lead of 150 runs to enforce the follow-on. Their lead was 194 runs. 5-day matches require 200 runs. Not as easy when you are playing back to back first class matches. There is absolutely no rest period for the bowlers, especially the pacers, with there being just a 3 day gap between matches. No wonder teams take the safer route of not taking the follow on instead of overworking their bowlers and risking injures. The Ranji matches began on 3rd Nov and by now we have had 3 rounds with 4 more prelim matches to be played in the next one month. Thats 7 first class matches in a span of 50-55 days! No wonder we dont see our pacers bowling even at 80% in domestic matches.
the_indian_fan Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 i have a suggestion to reduce the no of draws & promote more attacking cricket in ranji. hope the bcci follows it simply kill the points awarded for draws & get rid of the 1st innings lead rule. that rule is leading to 500+ scores by both teams in the 1st innings & the matches being decided on the 1st innings leads have a new system where wins = 2 points draw = 0 points loss = 0 points with both draws & losses giving 0 points, teams will be forced to be more aggressive & look to play out for wins. hope someone from the bcci reads this post & implements my suggestion
jairamesh Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 stupid rules. Just follow the simple county rules. Something like: batting points 1st innings score (in the first 120 overs only): 250 plus 1 point 350 plus 2 points 450 plus 3 points Note: This will stop states going on for endless overs tying to get massive score at a slow pace. bowling points 1st innings wickets (in the first 120 overs only): 6 wkts 1 point 8 wkts 2 points 10 wkts 3 points Win: 10 points draw: 3 points Loose: 0 points
BeautifulGame Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 I would prefer a bonus point system for both innings so that it encourages teams to try winning rather than happy with 1st innings lead. win : 7 pts win by an inns : 1 pt Draw : 2 pts each 1st innings lead : 1 pt regardlless of the result(so that teams that take 1st inns lead go for win rather than worrying about losing 1st inns pts) Draw due to weather : 3 pt each Bonus Points : 1st innings: scoring 300 : 1 Pt scoring 400 : 1 pt 2nd innings Scoring 200 : 1pt scoring 250 : 1 pt Bowling For each 4 wkts : 1 pts (4 bonus pts in total ) Taking all 20 wkts : 2 bonus pts Something along these lines that encourage teams to play 2nd inns more rather than just clinging on to 1st innings lead is what is necessary IMO.
coffee_rules Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 They did have the option. In a 4-day match, you only need a lead of 150 runs to enforce the follow-on. Their lead was 194 runs. 5-day matches require 200 runs. Strong batting line up as Bombay. 60 overs remaining the day. 194 runs lead, they just scored 441 runs. Why would you give your bowlers another tiring day? Unfair. Karnataka managed to score at under 3 in second inn, which even Bombay could have managed. 200+ runs lead with day remaining and not enforcing a follow-on needs to be looked into. Not in this case.
Pagalpanti Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 Remove points for draw and we'll see a lot more intent.
the_indian_fan Posted November 22, 2011 Posted November 22, 2011 Remove points for draw and we'll see a lot more intent. thats exactly what i said
Texan Posted November 22, 2011 Posted November 22, 2011 Strong batting line up as Bombay. 60 overs remaining the day. 194 runs lead' date=' they just scored 441 runs. Why would you give your bowlers another tiring day? Unfair. Karnataka managed to score at under 3 in second inn, which even Bombay could have managed. 200+ runs lead with day remaining and not enforcing a follow-on needs to be looked into. Not in this case.[/quote'] Because the point of playing any cricket match is to try to win it!! That point itself has been lost in this meaningless point system. If winning the match is not enough incentive for any team, then there is something seriously wrong in the system. I'm not just saying Karnataka was at fault. Mumbai would have done the exact same thing if they were in that position... so also would all other teams unless it was one of the last matches they were playing and they needed a win to stay alive in the competition.
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