Gambit Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 Dandaji, the real question is this. Do you want a batsman who makes an amazing 153* and is there until the end when his team wins the game over a career spanning 132 tests where his 4th innings average is 35 and who after this knock in 1999 had just 1 more 100+ knock again in a game won by his team over 69 tests while other colleagues of his(Chanderpaul, Sarwan) have way many more? OR Do you want a batsman who averages nearing 40 in 4th innings over a 185 test career with an unbeaten 100 in a record 4th innings chase just 3 years ago and other matchsaving matchwinning(whatever that means) contributions in the last 5 years and one who has an average of 56 in the 4th innings in the last 4 years(42 tests)/an average of 50 in last 50 tests in 4th innings? PS - Saving Danda's privates is much needed for wins in the new year. B->
deathmonger Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 Tendulkar has not won but drawn quite a few. First test of SL tour 2009 comes to mind.
Zap_Brannigan Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 Tendulkar has not won but drawn quite a few. First test of SL tour 2009 comes to mind. No one has ever won a match on his own.
deathmonger Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 No one has ever won a match on his own. That's true.
bulbul Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 No one has ever won a match on his own. then why the word match winner even if there is no perfect candidate...there will be some one who is almost single handedly won matches..
Needforspeed Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 In MCG would have appreciated even if India had lost but SRT was the last man standing.
Jersey #10 Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 Something like this? Win it when the chips are really really down?
BeautifulGame Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 Agree would really like to see Sachin or for that matter Dravid play such an innings. But how many players have actually played such an innings? Lara's 153 is obvious ,Gilly's knock in Perth 99 and ofcourse Laxman has played the mohali knock .Apart from them i cant even remember any other great players(Kallis Waugh or Ponting or Dravid) in recent memory playing a similar knock not just Sachin.
Zap_Brannigan Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 then why the word match winner even if there is no perfect candidate...there will be some one who is almost single handedly won matches.. One of the most absurd words thrown around in cricket today. This, i believe, is often used by inzi's fans. If someone averages 100 in matches won and 5 in matches lost, does that make him the biggest match winner or the biggest match loser??
Pak_Fan_4_Eva Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 Laxman is perhaps the biggest match winner for India in recent times followed by Dravid and Harbhajan (rare but it happens). I'm amazed even the Indians can't come up with any match-winning SRT knock. Going so far as to say the word "match winner" is over-rated:haha:
Andrew Peter Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 Only Laxman from India has played those typical last wicket or two Match Winnings Innings , not even Dravid .
Zap_Brannigan Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 Laxman is perhaps the biggest match winner for India in recent times followed by Dravid and Harbhajan (rare but it happens). I'm amazed even the Indians can't come up with any match-winning SRT knock. Going so far as to say the word "match winner" is over-rated:haha: I take it that inzi the binary man, is the biggest match loser then, since he averages so low in matches lost.
Ultimate_Game Posted January 1, 2012 Posted January 1, 2012 I just want to see Test series wins in SA and Aus - with or without SRT. Thought we had the team to do so but guess we are nowhere close to doing so. Disappointing to say the least.
MCcricket Posted January 1, 2012 Posted January 1, 2012 Batting class and match winning ability is slightly different according to me,in ODI BEVAN , DHONI HAVE IT, IN TEST'S LARA, LAXMAN, SEHWAG to me are bigger factors in terms of a single batter having more contribution or almost single handedly winning the game for his team,Sachin does not figure in that list, it is not for lack of class or talent.
Cricketics Posted January 1, 2012 Posted January 1, 2012 Batting class and match winning ability is slightly different according to me' date='in ODI BEVAN , DHONI HAVE IT, IN TEST'S LARA, LAXMAN, SEHWAG to me are bigger factors in terms of a single batter having more contribution or almost single handedly winning the game for his team,Sachin does not figure in that list, it is not for lack of class or talent.[/quote'] So getting dropped gazillion times by Aussies in that 143 run knock, and than even being after down in series to england, he goes on to play for 3 days for his record 400 run, which eventually ends up going in a draw cause, you rating Lara as greater bat than Tendulkar. Thank you.
MCcricket Posted January 1, 2012 Posted January 1, 2012 So getting dropped gazillion times by Aussies in that 143 run knock, and than even being after down in series to england, he goes on to play for 3 days for his record 400 run, which eventually ends up going in a draw cause, you rating Lara as greater bat than Tendulkar. Thank you. Where do I claim that , please read again,Sachin the best batsmen anyone of us will ever see in their lifetimes,he started scoring big runs centuries in ODI I believe after 5 years, he started contributing and batting well in the second innings more successsfully in last few years, Who is to say though if Richards, Lara, WEREN'T AS TALENTED, BUT THEY PLAYED MORE CARE FREE, LIKE SEHWAG,SANGAKARRA'S HUNDRED RECENTLY WAS A MATCH WINNING ONE .The good thing is he is batting as good as I have seen in test's, next 3 years could be g8 for him.
MCcricket Posted January 1, 2012 Posted January 1, 2012 SACHIN'S FANS ARE MOSTLY OBSSESSED WITH STATS, then we look at a Kallis or Dravid averages, or say he played for soo many years, it is his game that makes him special, range of strokes, timing, stamina, ability to dominate, technically correct yet flamboyant,when he is batting well, he looks to be unsurmountable, ability to invent new strokes, ramp and lap shot,play all around, front or back foot, in air on the ground, at home with pacers, spinners, slow or fast surface , overall the reason we love him most is the person he is.
Andrew Peter Posted January 1, 2012 Posted January 1, 2012 Batting class and match winning ability is slightly different according to me' date='in ODI BEVAN , DHONI HAVE IT, IN [b']TEST'S LARA, LAXMAN, SEHWAG to me are bigger factors in terms of a single batter having more contribution or almost single handedly winning the game for his team,Sachin does not figure in that list, it is not for lack of class or talent. Then why Lara wasnt convincingly able to win a match after Walsh and Ambrose retired ? Do you remember a single match winning knock played by him from 2000 till he retired ?
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