Zelch Posted January 22, 2012 Posted January 22, 2012 The Hindu:‘Rajasthan police invented plot to keep away Rushdie' http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2820796.ece
ravishingravi Posted January 22, 2012 Author Posted January 22, 2012 ^This was known. It is in interest of the govt. to kill the issue, appease those "who we do not speak of" ( to borrow from "The Village" )
bulbul Posted January 22, 2012 Posted January 22, 2012 UP election Bhai log UP elections... :two_thumbs_up: i sincerely hope Muslim people see these kind of appeasement and Vote based on candidates than party... even better if they absent from voting if dont want to vote based on communal issues
Zelch Posted January 22, 2012 Posted January 22, 2012 And Kudos to Praveen Swami of The Hindu for exposing behind the scenes manipulation. In my view he is among the very few brilliant journalists left in India who are not sold out or still have sufficient freedom to be a serious journalist.
KhanSaab Posted January 22, 2012 Posted January 22, 2012 If you are from where I think you are from, my friend, is there any point in talking about "artistic freedom" when that is the least of the problems of your country There is a context when I said Hussein should have spoken against Mullaism. Where I am from there is plenty of artistic freedom without any silly restrictions like the one you espouse. But lets not ruin the thread by letting your cluelessness get in the way.
Texy Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 Hussein escaped to a mullah country where he was well protected. Can a hindu painter even entertain the thought of drawing Muhamad and escape to India or Nepal? Not only will he be denied entry/visa plus he will be slaughtered within 48 hrs just like what happened to that Dutch director in broad daylight Update: Rushdie video link has been postponed. He was suppose to appear via video feed to discuss Midnight Children!! Kangress at its best :yay: People have a right to protest, provided they do it in a peaceful way and get the prior clearances. Why should anyone be outraged? I don't have a problem with them protesting. They have constitutional right to that but the way government has handled this situation using vote bank politics, preferential treatment and rogue tactics to keep him away is purely disgusting. The security situation was obviously orchestrated to keep Rushdie away and keep the vote bank happy. Artistic freedom should be equally upheld. You can't welcome Hussein with open arms and keep Rushdie and Taslima away. The controversial book was banned in India in the name of communal harmony to appease certain voters, Taslima's Lajja which was also banned in the name of communal harmony
Vijay.Sharma Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 'I have now been informed by intelligence sources in Maharashtra and Rajasthan that paid assassins from the Mumbai underworld may be on their way to Jaipur to "eliminate" me. While I have some doubts about the accuracy of this intelligence' date=' it would be irresponsible of me to come to the Festival in such circumstances; irresponsible to my family, to the festival audience, and to my fellow writers. I will therefore not travel to Jaipur as planned.' Salman Rushdie[/quote']Good at least he is not attempting suicide. Otherwise if the assassins fail then we have to try Rushdie for "attempting suicide"
Vijay.Sharma Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 And Kudos to Praveen Swami of The Hindu for exposing behind the scenes manipulation. In my view he is among the very few brilliant journalists left in India who are not sold out or still have sufficient freedom to be a serious journalist.I grew up reading The Hindu newspaper. Although this post of mine refers in no way to the said journalist, I think The Hindu has been corrupting itself a lot lately. Their liaisons with NDTV and their general pro-govt stance has been appalling of late. However they still come up with some gems of journalistic investigation every now and then. I still have faith in most of their columnists' relative neutrality
Zelch Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 I grew up reading The Hindu newspaper. Although this post of mine refers in no way to the said journalist' date=' I think The Hindu has been corrupting itself a lot lately. Their liaisons with NDTV and their general pro-govt stance has been appalling of late. However they still come up with some gems of journalistic investigation every now and then. I still have faith in most of their columnists' relative neutrality[/quote'] Even Hindu is not immune to corruption and manipulation of public opinion for vested interests. Most Indian media houses are anti-national with a price tag for everything. Some are subtle like the Hindu and some are out right like the TOI/NDTV/CNN IBN. But my main interest is Foreign Policy and I think Praveen Swami is sooper brilliant and well read in that respect. Here is the "linkages" email thats doing the rounds these days. Very informative and tells us the behind the scenes motivations of the people in the media and how Indian National Interest is being played around by powerful people influenced by foreign ideologies and monies. for more: Link
Vijay.Sharma Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 Even Hindu is not immune to corruption and manipulation of public opinion for vested interests. Most Indian media houses are anti-national with a price tag for everything. Some are subtle like the Hindu and some are out right like the TOI/NDTV/CNN IBN. But my main interest is Foreign Policy and I think Praveen Swami is sooper brilliant and well read in that respect. Here is the "linkages" email thats doing the rounds these days. Very informative and tells us the behind the scenes motivations of the people in the media and how Indian National Interest is being played around by powerful people influenced by foreign ideologies and monies. for more: LinkI had seen one of these email forwards some time back. They basically linked every media house in India as being under the aegis of the European Church. While some of the things maybe true - like Pranoy Roy being brother-in-law of Prakash Karat, etc, I am not too sure if I want to believe in the main conspiracy theory that all media houses in India are under the aegis of the Church. The thing is, these conspiracy theories seem to suggest that India is still being ruled by the Queen and that the nation of India is legally the property of the Queen of England (who herself has liaisons with the Church and they all belong to the Illuminati crap). I mean seriously? And what even if on paper due to some technicality India is still a property of Queen of England? Can they exercise their right in any way? Will we allow them to exercise her right in anyway? Lot of these conspiracies feed on the fear and cynicism of people to stay alive. N.Ram and many others in Hindu newspaper have been great journalists for donkeys years. They have always come across as well educated, good meaning, sound individuals. If suddenly the Church has invested in The Hindu it dun necessarily mean N Ram is sold out. We will know only when N Ram takes a position that is clearly against his own past positions but in favor of the Church. I have never trusted Times because they have always been a sensationalist media house and it is well known that they are a British group. Indian Express seemed to have good journalistic principles especially during the days of Babri Masjid, and preceding and succeeding those years. But now they are also sensationalist. I dunno much about other media houses though. When it comes to TV - CNN IBN is the worst of them. Times Now at least you expect them to be chethiyas but CNN IBN with Rajdeep Sardesai (he was such a star and had a great image when he started CNN IBN) is a total sell out
Vijay.Sharma Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 Back on to Salman Rushdie....just saw a program on NDTV. I really dunno what is happening but for once after a very very long time I kinda liked Barkha Dutt. She didn't back away from asking tough questions to the Mullah. I do understand that the media has to be neutral and must come across that way. However, in some cases I think the media must take an ethical stance and ask very hard questions of those who are against basic common sense as was the case today.
Ram Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 Shame on the Indian govt. for letting this to happen. They can hold multilateral cricket tournaments WC ’11 and IPL involving several hundreds of foreign players and staff without any problem, but cannot assure security for one individual? It’s a shameful cop-out by the Congress govt. It seems like the prospect of offending certain lunatic mullahs is too much for them, even if it means short-changing freedom of speech and free expression.
Zelch Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 Shame on the Indian govt. for letting this to happen. They can hold multilateral cricket tournaments WC ?1 and IPL involving several hundreds of foreign players and staff without any problem' date= but cannot assure security for one individual? ItÃÔ a shameful cop-out by the Congress govt. It seems like the prospect of offending certain lunatic mullahs is too much for them, even if it means short-changing freedom of speech and free expression. Hope you were right there....but we had to go SA for one the IPL's know...had to bhaago from our own country with our tails between the legs
Texy Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 Salman Rushdie on CNN-IBN reported the reason for the refusal of his visit & his video link was UP elections and nothing else. This pathetic govt and its blatant vote bank appeasing at its best. Kangress party members can even sell their own mothers if it's required to appease certain voting sections.
Ram Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 Hope you were right there....but we had to go SA for one the IPL's know...had to bhaago from our own country with our tails between the legs The IPL was moved to South Africa in 2009 because most of the players did not want to come here and the Indian govt. said they cannot guarantee security since it was election season. Here, its completely different. Rushdie wanted to come. The central govt. could have stepped in and said they will guarantee Rushdie's safety as long as he was in Indian soil, but they didnt do that.
Zelch Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 I had seen one of these email forwards some time back. They basically linked every media house in India as being under the aegis of the European Church. While some of the things maybe true - like Pranoy Roy being brother-in-law of Prakash Karat, etc, I am not too sure if I want to believe in the main conspiracy theory that all media houses in India are under the aegis of the Church. The thing is, these conspiracy theories seem to suggest that India is still being ruled by the Queen and that the nation of India is legally the property of the Queen of England (who herself has liaisons with the Church and they all belong to the Illuminati crap). I mean seriously? And what even if on paper due to some technicality India is still a property of Queen of England? Can they exercise their right in any way? Will we allow them to exercise her right in anyway? Lot of these conspiracies feed on the fear and cynicism of people to stay alive. N.Ram and many others in Hindu newspaper have been great journalists for donkeys years. They have always come across as well educated, good meaning, sound individuals. If suddenly the Church has invested in The Hindu it dun necessarily mean N Ram is sold out. We will know only when N Ram takes a position that is clearly against his own past positions but in favor of the Church. I have never trusted Times because they have always been a sensationalist media house and it is well known that they are a British group. Indian Express seemed to have good journalistic principles especially during the days of Babri Masjid, and preceding and succeeding those years. But now they are also sensationalist. I dunno much about other media houses though. When it comes to TV - CNN IBN is the worst of them. Times Now at least you expect them to be chethiyas but CNN IBN with Rajdeep Sardesai (he was such a star and had a great image when he started CNN IBN) is a total sell out Its not like some Pope passes decrees that so and so should be printed in this newspaper this Sunday. Its the collective bent of ideology that these individuals profess. All these intellectual elites in high places inspite of being brought up as Hindus will call themselves atheists (I have no problem with this) and when they eat, sleep and drink with people from Abrahamic ideologies (which are inherently dominant) its the Hindu national interest that loses out 10 out of 10 times because our culture is inclusive and doesnt have predefined (how to) doctrines to resist/dominate other ideologies. For Eg: Time and again we hear some American Pastors saying that Yoga is satanic etc. And some people even went ahead and rewrote history (the same kind of self loathing leftist hindu+western religious nuts I quoted along with N Ram) and now Yoga is somehow Eastern Spiritual Tradition and nothing to do with India/Hinduism.They say it because it is their duty to resist even slight encroachment by foreign religions into their spiritual space. I will do the same thing if I were a Christian priest nothing wrong. I have nothing against any religion and I sometimes go to churches when someone invites me in US. My gripe is that with x% of this minority and y% of that minority we have so many problems in India. Problems magnify when some of them deny Hindu ancestry(while others are as patriotic as you & me) and every thing Hindu is to be hated for some reason and want themselves out of Indic sphere. This is a nice discussion topic for another thread for some other time. "Can an Inclusive Indic culture(patriotic moderates from all religions) stand up to dominant foreign ideologies and maintain ideological balance in society for a peaceful future"
Alchemist Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 Salman Rushdie on CNN-IBN reported the reason for the refusal of his visit & his video link was UP elections and nothing else. This pathetic govt and its blatant vote bank appeasing at its best. Kangress party members can even sell their own mothers if it's required to appease certain voting sections. I am not defending the Govt. But they are using a tactic that works. Its the people who give these Mullahs and Govt. the power. Certain comunities are vote banks because they select to be vote banks. The very fact that the Govt is using this to get votes tell me that it is a sentiment that will definately give them votes. And unfortunately, on many occasions, it has.
Mariyam Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Good at least he is not attempting suicide. Otherwise if the assassins fail then we have to try Rushdie for "attempting suicide" :fail: I think Rushdie resides in California. Indian law isn't applicable there. At least yet. :P Rubbish. I'm not married to Ram. :mad: :mad: :mad: Rumour monger :whack:
Ram Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: Uncontrolled laughter..hmmmm...:hmmm: Apparently a common side-effect of thorazine over-dose. Time to hit the psychiatrist's place AGAIN, Grandpa.
punjabi_khota Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Narasimhan Ram is the Editor-in-Chief of 'The Hindu'. N.Ram was part of a CPI(M) debating club along with Prakash Karat N.Ram's first wife was Susan. Susan, an Irish, was in charge of Oxford University Press publications in India. N.Ram and Susan's daughter is Vidya Ram. Vidya Ram is a journalist. N.Ram is now married to Mariam. N.Ram, Jennifer Arul and K.M.Roy participated in closed door Catholic Bishops Conference of India in Thrissur, Kerala. Jennifer Arul is the Resident Editor and Bureau Chief in South India for NDTV. Jennifer Arul is Chief Operating Office for Astro Awani - Indonesian news and information channel. Jennifer Arul is also Managing Editor and COO of "NDTV Hindu". NDTV-Hindu is a Chennai specific channel from NDTV and "The Hindu". K.M.Roy was a reporter in "The Hindu" K.M.Roy is the General Editor of the group of the "Mangalam" Publications. Mangalam Group of Publications was started by M.C.Varghese K.M.Roy received the "All India Catholic Union Lifetime Award" All India Catholic Union's National Vice President is Dr.John Dayal. Dr.John Dayal is also Secretary General of All India Christian Council (AICC) AICC's President is Dr. Joseph D'souza Dr. Joseph D'souza founded Dalit Freedom Network (USA) Dr.Joseph D'Souza participated in the inaugural Religious Freedom Day The Religious Freedom Day was attended by former Republican Sentor Rick Santorum AICC claims Confederation of SC/ST Organizations (India) as a sister organization. AICC claims Christian Solidarity Worldwide (UK) as a sister organization. AICC claims Release International (UK) as a sister organization. Release International states it supplies bibles and literature to meet the need of growth and evangelism. Dalit Freedom Network's partner's with Operation Mobilization India. OM India's South India Regional Director is Kumar Swamy Kumar Swamy is the State President of Communal Harmony Committee. Kumar Swamy serves with Karnataka State Human Rights Commission. OM India's North India Regional Director is Moses Parmar. Moses Parmar serves as North India Public Relations officer of the All India Christian Council (AICC) OM seeks to plant and strengthen churches in areas of the world where Christ is least known. OM ministries work with Dalit-Bahujan people in India. Operation Mercy Charitable Company (OMCC) grew out of OM India OMCC works with Dalit Freedom Network. DFN has Dr. Kancha Illaiah on its Advisory Board. Dr. Kancha Illaiah is a Professor in Osmania University, Hyderbad. DFN has William Armstrong on its Advisory Board. William Armstrong is a former US Senator from Colarado (Republican). William Armstrong is currently the President of Colorado Christian University. Colorado Christian University's one of the strategic objective is to share the love of Christ around the World. DFN has Udit Raj on its Advisory Board. Udit Raj claims Joseph Pitts as a great friend of India. Joseph Pitts is a Republican US Congressman from Pennsylvannia. In less steps than that, I can link you to a monkey in a chandigarh zoo. Does that mean the next real rise of the planet of the apes will be masterminded by you ?
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