arun81 Posted February 26, 2012 Posted February 26, 2012 It looks like for the greens its okay to destroy Buddhist/Hindu artifacts as long as it is reported in some corner of TOI... Its is okay if Hindus get burnt in a train ..But if some happens to Muslims the perpetual victims all hell breaks lose...
Alchemist Posted February 26, 2012 Posted February 26, 2012 The country is an official Muslim state. What else do you expect. Its their way or the highway. They should have freedom of religion. But other religions should not have that freedom.
The Outsider Posted February 26, 2012 Posted February 26, 2012 I dont see why NYT has to necessarily be the benchmark. But the fact is that this coverage is negligible compared to what was given to the destruction of Buddha statues by Taliban in 2001. The coverage given to demolition of the Babri structure (even outside India) also hugely dwarfs this. Again, one can have different opinions about what is fair coverage of such an event, but it is misleading to incorrectly claim 35+ articles in ToI as having covered this incident. Pick any reputed paper like Washington Post, The Times etc. and let us know their coverage of the incident. You still haven't answered what you consider to be fair coverage for the incident? The amount given to Buddha statues or Babri Masjid as you mentioned above? In that case won't it be fair to split the blame fairly among the media houses who have not given that kind of coverage rather than specifically blaming Times of India or the Indian media, of whom I am not a big admirer of BTW?
arun81 Posted February 26, 2012 Posted February 26, 2012 We should need a Dharmic Destruction Thread ( Hindu, Buddist, Jain , Sikh) entitites destroyed in the subcontinent by the people from the Religion of Piece http://www.eurasiareview.com/25022012-bangladesh-man-defends-razing-500-year-old-hindu-temple/ Bangladesh: Man Defends Razing 500-Year Old Hindu Temple Written by: UCAN February 25, 2012 A Muslim businessman has defended his demolition of a 500-year-old Hindu temple in Moulvibazar district, saying he rightfully owned the land on which the temple stood. Local Hindus filed a complaint with authorities over the incident, which reportedly took place on February 16. Mohammad Sufi Mian, a member of the Bangladesh Nationalist Party, said the 1.33 acre plot of land where the temple stood was purchased by his father in 1975. “My father bought this land long ago. No one said anything when we broke down the already ruined temple. Now some people are conspiring against me,” he said. Members of the Hindu community who asked not to be named out of fear for their safety said Mian was politically influential and that they believed he paid off authorities not to investigate the destruction of the temple. They allege that Mian and more than a dozen other men razed the temple, which was built by Ramshongkor Sharma Chowdhury, according to the only family heir in Bangladesh, Ranjit Sharma Chowdhury. He added that the rest of his family settled in India after the partition of the sub-continent in 1947. Mohammad Abdullah, officer in charge at the Srimangal police station, initially declined to comment on the issue but later acknowledged receiving a complaint. “We have received the written complaint and are now trying to arrest the offender.” Bangladesh land law prohibits the purchase or sale of land or property belonging to religious prayer houses or institutions such as mosques, temples, churches or pagodas. Chowdhury said the temple sat on land that his family had designated for charitable works. “One of my cousins … borrowed money from Lichu Mien [father of Mohammad]. Unable to pay the debt, he … registered the property for Lichu Mian and left the country.” Chowdhury said Mian’s claims to the land were baseless, as property records from 2000 showed the land and temple was used by Hindu people in the area and that Chowdhury was named as caretaker of the temple. Moulvibazar district public prosecutor ASM Azadur Rahman said the whole process of land sale was illegal. “The law of the land forbids buying and selling of property belonging to a temple. Even if the land of the temple was sold and registered to someone else, it is invalid according to land law,” he said.
seedhi Posted February 26, 2012 Posted February 26, 2012 Pick any reputed paper like Washington Post, The Times etc. and let us know their coverage of the incident. You still haven't answered what you consider to be fair coverage for the incident? The amount given to Buddha statues or Babri Masjid as you mentioned above? In that case won't it be fair to split the blame fairly among the media houses who have not given that kind of coverage rather than specifically blaming Times of India or the Indian media, of whom I am not a big admirer of BTW?I am not specifically blaming any particular outlet. A claim was made in this thread in post #10 that seemed to suggest that 35+ articles had appeared in ToI covering this incident in Maldives when it wasnt the case. It turns out that the out of 35+ articles covering Maldives in general in ToI, only one was on the destruction of the artifacts. This ratio is roughly the same for other media outlets as well. IMO this was not enough coverage. Just two months ago this same media hyped up the Gita case in Russia, and our government, in a height of hypocrisy, decided to intervene in what was an internal matter of Russia.
The Outsider Posted February 26, 2012 Posted February 26, 2012 I am not specifically blaming any particular outlet. A claim was made in this thread in post #10 that seemed to suggest that 35+ articles had appeared in ToI covering this incident in Maldives when it wasnt the case. It turns out that the out of 35+ articles covering Maldives in general in ToI, only one was on the destruction of the artifacts. This ratio is roughly the same for other media outlets as well. IMO this was not enough coverage. I can't answer for Mariyam because she made the claim, but just reading what she wrote she said that there are 35+ articles in Times of India regarding Maldives, not about this or any specific incident in Maldives. And this incident is not completely removed from the general situation in Maldives - in fact is a product of it. But I'll let Mariyam answer what she meant or wrote. My point is different - specifically targeting the Indian media for not giving enough coverage to the incident is unfair because other better reputed media houses have given similar amount of coverage.
seedhi Posted February 26, 2012 Posted February 26, 2012 I can't answer for Mariyam because she made the claim, but just reading what she wrote she said that there are 35+ articles in Times of India regarding Maldives, not about this or any specific incident in Maldives. And this incident is not completely removed from the general situation in Maldives - in fact is a product of it. But I'll let Mariyam answer what she meant or wrote. My point is different - specifically targeting the Indian media for not giving enough coverage to the incident is unfair because other better reputed media houses have given similar amount of coverage.I am not "targeting" anyone. I have an opinion that the coverage given to this incident was negligible compared to other similar incidents. I dont consider NYT or WaPo or Time benchmarks, especially on events that happen in India or in our neighborhood.
The Outsider Posted February 26, 2012 Posted February 26, 2012 I am not "targeting" anyone. I have an opinion that the coverage given to this incident was negligible compared to other similar incidents. I dont consider NYT or WaPo or Time benchmarks' date=' especially on events that happen in India or in our neighborhood.[/quote'] What do you consider as journalistic benchmarks for such incidents and how was the coverage in these benchmarks? Maldives, being in India's proximity is not very relevant to the discussion, given it's lack of importance globally or locally. It's a pretty straightforward rule of the thumb that similar incidents in a more globally or locally relevant country like Afghanistan will get more media attention across all media houses.
seedhi Posted February 26, 2012 Posted February 26, 2012 What do you consider as journalistic benchmarks for such incidents and how was the coverage in these benchmarks? Maldives, being in India's proximity is not very relevant to the discussion, given it's lack of importance globally or locally. It's a pretty straightforward rule of the thumb that similar incidents in a more globally or locally relevant country like Afghanistan will get more media attention across all media houses.I actually think Maldives is of great importance to India. Previously, in the 80s India intervened in Maldives to save the govt from a coup. Its very popular tourist destination as well. Now this incident is firstly, very shocking to me at least. Secondly, it is an indicator of the increasing radicalization of Maldives especially because of funds coming from the Gulf. Comparatively, to my mind this is at least as relevant to Indian interests as a case on Gita in a remote town of Siberia. I did not even read of any official condemnation of this by India, unlike in the Gita case in which everyone worked themselves up to a frenzy.
Lurker Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Yeah' date=' the destruction of some artifacts from centuries ago in some other tiny country is so much more important than the judicial process and activities following up on one of the most gruesome riots in our country which resulted in 2000 Indians dead 10 years back and has had so much social and political impact nationally and internationally.[/quote'] ++ By the way the news has been covered by both NYT and WashingtonPost Shwetabh, since they aren't considered benchmarks I will let it be. The interesting part about this that I read in NYT is the museum was built by Chinese. Since the year wasnt mentioned so I am not sure if this is a recent development or not. But looks like Chinese are slowly but surely surrounding us in our neighbourhood and getting almost everyone turning against us. But of course let us concentrate on artifacts part. Carry on....
arun81 Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Yeah' date=' the destruction of some artifacts from centuries ago in some other tiny country is so much more important than the judicial process and activities following up on[b'] one of the most gruesome riots in our country which resulted in 2000 Indians dead 10 years back and has had so much social and political impact nationally and internationally. How about lets discuss about the 90 million+ Hindus massacred by Barbaric Hordes from the deserts for the last 500 years. Or about the 500k kashmiris made homeless Or the Hindus decimated in islamic countries like pak/bangladesh... All the above had a social and political impact nationally and internationally for Hindus/Jains/Sikhs/Buddhists etc Its not like Hindus woke up one day and decided to kill muslimes in Gujarat...they were provoked coz 59 women and children were buring... INC and the pseudo Indian media are using godhra mainly to control Modi and rake in money
Mariyam Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 I am not specifically blaming any particular outlet. A claim was made in this thread in post #10 that seemed to suggest that 35+ articles had appeared in ToI covering this incident in Maldives when it wasnt the case. No, there wasn't any such claim.
EnterTheVoid Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Yeah' date=' [b']the destruction of some artifacts from centuries ago in some other tiny countryis so much more important than the judicial process and activities following up on one of the most gruesome riots in our country which resulted in 2000 Indians dead 10 years back and has had so much social and political impact nationally and internationally. Please explain the chain of reasoning you applied to call my statement a justification of the vandalism? First off, they are not just "some artifacts" that you can just pull out from underneath your bed. Maybe you can, but the rest of us can't. Secondly, the coverage in Indian Media is piss poor - This same media that goes digging up unsubstantiated bullshit/rumors/innuendo with respect to the Gujarat Riots gives this story -- purposeful destruction of religious artifacts - a handful of lines in some back pages that's easy to gloss over.
daryl1985 Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 How about lets discuss about the 90 million+ Hindus massacred by Barbaric Hordes from the deserts for the last 500 years. Or about the 500k kashmiris made homeless Or the Hindus decimated in islamic countries like pak/bangladesh... All the above had a social and political impact nationally and internationally for Hindus/Jains/Sikhs/Buddhists etc Its not like Hindus woke up one day and decided to kill muslimes in Gujarat...they were provoked coz 59 women and children were buring... INC and the pseudo Indian media are using godhra mainly to control Modi and rake in money I agree with you about the Kashmiris and your point about Hindus in countries like Pakistan and Bangladesh. I don't claim to be an expert on the Gujurat riots but from what i have read, it is unclear what had happened at the train station in the lead up to the carriage being burned. Some accounts say that there was a mob of Muslims waiting at the train station and others say that the Karsevaks returning form Ayohdya got off the train when it stopped at Godhra and started causing trouble with Muslim people and there were even rumours that they tried to kidnap a Muslim girl. In response to that, a number of local Muslim men gathered at the station and started throwing stones as the train was set to depart and the situation escalated ending up with the burning of the carriage. I have even read somewhere else that there is no forensic evidence to support that the carriage could have been burned from the outside and may have been caused by cooking stoves in the carriage. With so many different versions of what happened at the train station, i don't know what to believe. However, what i can say is that what followed was a disgrace and was no better than a state sponsored genocide. Even IF the Muslims did start the riots with the burning of the train, the response was over the top and barbaric.
Stuge Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 What does Gujarat roits has to do with this .This is another shameful act in my opinion. Maldives thrives on tourists, and rise of such incidents will only hurt them badly .
seedhi Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 No' date=' there wasn't any such claim.[/quote']You mentioned 35+ articles on Maldives in ToI when this thread is specifically about a particular incident, not Maldives in general. And your comment was in response to OPs remark about lack of media coverage of this particular incident. Clearly, whether intended or not, your comment was misleading.
The Outsider Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 How about lets discuss about the 90 million+ Hindus massacred by Barbaric Hordes from the deserts for the last 500 years. Or about the 500k kashmiris made homeless Or the Hindus decimated in islamic countries like pak/bangladesh... All the above had a social and political impact nationally and internationally for Hindus/Jains/Sikhs/Buddhists etc Its not like Hindus woke up one day and decided to kill muslimes in Gujarat...they were provoked coz 59 women and children were buring... INC and the pseudo Indian media are using godhra mainly to control Modi and rake in money Tou karo discuss bhai, main tax laga raha hoon tumhare discussion pe?
The Outsider Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 ++ By the way the news has been covered by both NYT and WashingtonPost Shwetabh, since they aren't considered benchmarks I will let it be. The interesting part about this that I read in NYT is the museum was built by Chinese. Since the year wasnt mentioned so I am not sure if this is a recent development or not. But looks like Chinese are slowly but surely surrounding us in our neighbourhood and getting almost everyone turning against us. But of course let us concentrate on artifacts part. Carry on.... Exactly. As unfortunate as the destruction of these artifacts might have been, to expect the international media to make it headline news is just hilarious. Then asking them who their journalistic benchmark is if not New York Times etc. it's just met with silence and obfuscation. Perhaps too ashamed to admit some Bhagwaa publication is their go to news source?
The Outsider Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 First off, they are not just "some artifacts" that you can just pull out from underneath your bed. Maybe you can, but the rest of us can't. Compared to people having lost their lives and homes in one of the most gruesome riots of Indian history, they are just some artifacts. I am sorry if I put murder, rape, and riots above statues in my value chain. Secondly, the coverage in Indian Media is piss poor - This same media that goes digging up unsubstantiated bullshit/rumors/innuendo with respect to the Gujarat Riots gives this story -- purposeful destruction of religious artifacts - a handful of lines in some back pages that's easy to gloss over. Why don't you tell us about the grand coverage in the Australian media? You are delusional if you think this incident in some other country warrants the same level of coverage in the Indian media as the Gujarat riots, which would rank among the top 10 most important events of modern Indian history. It's like expecting the New York Times to give as much coverage to this incident as 9/11.:hysterical:
mishra Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 1% wonly brah :dontmentionit: thats over 2.1 million....:blink:
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